<div dir="ltr">That's an interesting test Hank. and I wonder whether someone with more motor knowledge than I could infer an efficiency figure from the speed reduction. It's tempting to say 10%, but I imagine that would be simplistic, assuming the test was in an unloaded condition. Do you have any way of running the same test in a tub or with the thruster immersed, and measuring the currents?   <div>
<br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br>Alec</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 9:22 AM, via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Hank,</div>
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<div>I don't know if you will find an oil with lower viscosity than WD40.  
The problem with WD40 is that it is a solvent that damages plastic and rubber 
components within the motor.  Alec Smyth did a lot of testing on various 
oils.  The last I knew the medium of choice was Marvel Mystery Oil.  
It's safe for the seals, etc., and has a lower viscosity than any straight 
mineral oil.</div>
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<div>For thrusters, comparative amp draw at a given RPM (with associated heat 
build-up) is probably more significant than drop in maximum RPM since we're 
not generally operating at maximum.  That might not be true when you're 
using the motor to operate a pump.</div>
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<div>In a message dated 8/30/2014 5:51:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> writes:</div>
<blockquote style="PADDING-LEFT:5px;MARGIN-LEFT:5px;BORDER-LEFT:blue 2px solid"><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent" color="#000000" face="Arial">Brian,<br>Yes, I have heard others have had good success with 
  different oils.  Maybe the rpm drop is less with other oils.  
  <br>Hank<br>--------------------------------------------<br>On Fri, 8/29/14, 
  Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>> 
  wrote:<br><br>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] rpm<br>To: "Personal Submersibles 
  General Discussion" <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>Received: 
  Friday, August 29, 2014, 11:26 PM<br><br>Hank, There is a very thin 
  mineral<br>oil that might be better that the wd 40<br><br>Brian<br><br>--- 
  <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a><br>wrote:<br><br>From: hank pronk via 
  Personal_Submersibles <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>To: Personal 
  Submersibles General Discussion 
  <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 
  rpm<br>Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 13:23:31 -0700<br><br>Vance,<br>Yes for sure, 
  Gamma has two separate amp gauges, one for the<br>motor and one for the rest 
  of the sub. All 24v and the<br>trolling motor is 12 v<br>Hank 
  <br>--------------------------------------------<br>On Fri, 8/29/14, via 
  Personal_Submersibles 
  <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>wrote:<br><br>  Subject: Re: 
  [PSUBS-MAILIST] rpm<br>  To: <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a><br>  
  Received: Friday, August 29, 2014, 4:03 PM<br>  <br>  Yeah, 
  too<br>  simple. Maybe that's a good guess, but..... I will say<br>  
  that an ammeter in the boat is a good thing. You can keep<br>an<br>  eye 
  on things, and if it goes UP at some stage, you would<br>  suspect a 
  thruster issue (a tangle, or a bearing failure<br>or<br>  whatever). All 
  it takes is an appropriate shunt and a<br>gauge<br>  (in my pre-digital 
  steampunk mind). Okay, thanks anyway. I<br>  was curious, that's 
  all.<br>  Vance<br>  <br>  <br>  <br>  <br>  
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  <br>  From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles<br>  
  <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>  <br>  To: Personal 
  Submersibles General Discussion<br>  
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  29, 2014 3:56 pm<br>  <br>  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 
  rpm<br>  <br>  <br>  <br>  <br>  <br>  
  <br>  <br>  <br>  <br>  Vance,<br>  I did not do an 
  amp draw test because I do not have the<br>  technology in house. I 
  <br>  would guess with a 10% rpm drop, there may be a 10% amp<br>  
  increase. That would be <br>  to simple :-)<br>  <br>  
  Hank<br>  --------------------------------------------<br>  On Fri, 
  8/29/14, via Personal_Submersibles 
  <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br>  <br>  wrote:<br>  
  <br>  Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] rpm<br>  To: 
  <a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a><br>  Received: Friday, August 29, 2014, 
  3:39 PM<br>  <br>  Hank,<br>  Did you check the amperage? I 
  wonder if the<br>  resistance causes a higher draw, and if so, 
  how<br>  much?<br>  <br>  Vance<br>  <br>  <br>  
  <br>  <br>  <br>  <br>  -----Original<br>  
  Message-----<br>  <br>  From: hank pronk via 
  Personal_Submersibles<br>  
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  personal_submersibles<br>  
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  29, 2014 3:33 pm<br>  <br>  Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] rpm<br>  
  <br>  <br>  <br>  <br>  <br>  <br>  <br>  
  <br>  <br>  I am working on a hydraulic<br>  pump that will be 
  external and pressure compensated <br>  in oil.  I am using a 
  trolling motor to drive<br>the pump.  A<br>  while back there was 
  <br>  a question about rpm drop when a trolling motor 
  is<br>filled<br>  with oil.  I bench <br>  tested that today, 
  and the motor runs at 2,000rpm<br>stock and<br>  1,800 rpm full of 
  <br>  WD40.<br>  Hank<br>  
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