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<DIV>James,</DIV>
<DIV>We have people over here that could help you with that:</DIV>
<DIV><A 
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlVyayjS8ek">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlVyayjS8ek</A></DIV>
<DIV><A 
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLKnhW1M04U">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLKnhW1M04U</A></DIV>
<DIV>Jim</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 6/24/2014 8:40:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
personal_submersibles@psubs.org writes:</DIV>
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  <DIV dir=ltr>Hi Jim, 
  <DIV>Thanks for that.  Im probably going to keep it simple and go with 
  Grahams idea of jockey wheels.  But, im still interested in knowing more 
  about vehicle hydraulics as its something i know little about.  Will 
  almost certainly need it for my next sub project.</DIV>
  <DIV>Many thanks</DIV>
  <DIV>Nanmes</DIV></DIV>
  <DIV class=gmail_extra><BR><BR>
  <DIV class=gmail_quote>On 24 June 2014 12:34, kocpnt <A title=http://tds.net/ 
  href="http://tds.net/">tds.net</A> via Personal_Submersibles <SPAN 
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    <DIV dir=ltr>Hi James, 
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV>If still interested in hydraulic power look at <A 
    title=http://www.surpluscenter.com/ href="http://www.surpluscenter.com/" 
    target=_blank>www.surpluscenter.com</A>. They have all in one 12 volt power 
    packs that include a motor and hydraulic pump and resevoir. They also have a 
    wide range of hydraulic cylinders.</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV>I have used them many times. Great people.</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV>Best Regards,</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV>Jim Kocourek </DIV></DIV>
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    <DIV class=gmail_quote>On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 5:30 AM, James Frankland via 
    Personal_Submersibles <SPAN dir=ltr><<A 
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    style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">yes, 
      thats not a bad idea Graham.  I'll make the ramps this weekend and 
      see how high i need to jack up the trailer, not much i dont think.  
      Jockey wheels would probably be ok.<BR><BR>
      <DIV class=gmail_quote>
      <DIV>
      <DIV>On 24 June 2014 11:16, Graham Bayliss via Personal_Submersibles <SPAN 
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      wrote:<BR></DIV></DIV>
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        style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">Hi 
        James<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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        style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">Why 
        complicate matters with hydraulic rams if you lift the front of the 
        trailer what is going to hold the weight of the sub and trailer I will 
        be using the natural fall of the ramp to lower the sub down the slip. 
        Save your money if you still want to lift the font of the trailer use 
        large jockey  wheels and just raise the trailer by turning the 
        handle my trailer jockey wheel lifts about twelve 
        inches.<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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        <U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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        style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">Graham<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P>
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        Personal_Submersibles [mailto:<A 
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        target=_blank>personal_submersibles-bounces@psubs.org</A>] <B>On Behalf 
        Of </B>James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles<BR><B>Sent:</B> 24 June 
        2014 10:35<BR><B>To:</B> <A title=mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org 
        href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" 
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        [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hydraulic Ram Advice?<U></U><U></U></SPAN></P></DIV>
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        <P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P>
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        <P class=MsoNormal>Hi All,<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
        <DIV>
        <P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
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        <P class=MsoNormal>Im making some modifications to my 
        trailer.  i wondered if anyone could give me some advice re: 
        hydraulic rams.  What im trying to do is get 2 rams that will 
        lift the front of the trailer so the sub can be winched 
        down ramps onto the floor.  Ive made wheels that will replace 
        the skids.  Pics to follow, not quite finished 
        yet.<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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        <P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
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        <P class=MsoNormal>However, i know very little about hydraulic 
        rams.  I dont know whether i should be looking for rams with a 
        pump?  There seems to be loads of rams on ebay but very few with 
        the pump, and i havent a clue what i need in that respect.  This 
        one looks ok?<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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        <P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
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        <P class=MsoNormal><A 
        title=http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Iskra-Hydraulic-Pump-3-Rams-Hoses-Atos-Cetop-Valves-and-Gauges-/161340505068?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2590a4bbec#ht_557wt_977 
        href="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Iskra-Hydraulic-Pump-3-Rams-Hoses-Atos-Cetop-Valves-and-Gauges-/161340505068?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2590a4bbec#ht_557wt_977" 
        target=_blank>http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Iskra-Hydraulic-Pump-3-Rams-Hoses-Atos-Cetop-Valves-and-Gauges-/161340505068?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2590a4bbec#ht_557wt_977</A> 
        <U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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        <P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
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        <P class=MsoNormal>Or this one is a manual one, which would probably be 
        ok?<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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        <P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
        <DIV>
        <P class=MsoNormal><A 
        title=http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hydraulic-ram-and-2-stage-hand-pump-Suit-log-splitter-or-engine-hoist-/251567274389?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3a9293f995#ht_82wt_977 
        href="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hydraulic-ram-and-2-stage-hand-pump-Suit-log-splitter-or-engine-hoist-/251567274389?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3a9293f995#ht_82wt_977" 
        target=_blank>http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hydraulic-ram-and-2-stage-hand-pump-Suit-log-splitter-or-engine-hoist-/251567274389?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3a9293f995#ht_82wt_977</A><U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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        <P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
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        <P class=MsoNormal>Or should i be looking for something else?  
        Bottle jacks?  or rams that trucks use to stabalise 
        them?<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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        <P class=MsoNormal><U></U><U></U> </P></DIV>
        <DIV>
        <P class=MsoNormal>Any advice gratefully recieved.  I suppose we 
        best take this off list as its not really sub 
        related.<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
        <DIV>
        <P class=MsoNormal>Many thanks<U></U><U></U></P></DIV>
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