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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Scott,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Please don't take this in negative way, and
understand that we have never meet. I don't know your skills, the skills
of your wife, or your end expectations. I congratulate you on
recognizing that you're not a good engineer, if in fact you aren't. Maybe
you're even better then you think you are. I don't know. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Don't underestimate the planning and work that
goes into in a sub. Building any sub is a big undertaking, much less
one for more then a few hundred feet of depth. Most of all, don't
look for cheap engineering. You most likely won't get what you don't pay
for. If you're looking for cheap engineering help the BEST you're
going to get is CHEAP engineering. That may be ok with a go
cart, but not with a sub. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Unless you're confident enough in your own
engineering skills to do your own design or even alter a pre-engineered design,
you really should have a certified engineer do the work. Basically it
means you're getting something the engineer is willing to stake his reputation
on. That SHOULD be good enough to put your life in. You still
may be playing with matches, but anything less, and your playing with
fire. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>It's a lot of work and thousands of man hours
building a sub. There are plenty of other places to make mistakes in a
build, and plenty other ways to get hurt in a sub. If you're going to
build, don't start out hoping you're doing it safe. Either have it
properly engineered or build a design that has been. That's why
so many take the less expensive and safe way of building a K
sub. The engineering has been properly done and it's stood the test
of time. Granted, it's engineered to older standards, but even
that's far better then cheap engineering. </FONT><FONT size=2
face=Arial> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Even refurbishing a sub isn't a small task if there
are structural issues.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Just my thoughts on the matter,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial>Dan H.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 17, 2014 8:35
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Rolled
steel</DIV>
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<DIV>For the K-250 that I was looking at buying I believe it would be cheaper
to build new rather than restore. Katy was looking for a sub to restore that
wouldn't be extremely expensive. If the right oprotunity comes up she'll do
it, otherwise she'll build a go cart and help me with my next project of a
deep diving sub.</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Scott Waters</DIV>
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<DIV style="COLOR: #575757; FONT-SIZE: 75%">Sent from my U.S. Cellular©
Smartphone</DIV></DIV><BR>Mark via Personal_Submersibles
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<DIV>Scott,</DIV>
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<DIV>What made you change your mind on the K-250 project? Are you
looking at designing your own sub?</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks again for providing a quote for the rolled steel.<BR><BR>
<DIV>Regards,</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Mark Widman
<DIV>Director, GDSN & Data Quality</DIV>
<DIV>GS1 Global, USA</DIV>
<DIV><A href="mailto:mark.widman@gs1.org">mark.widman@gs1.org</A></DIV>
<DIV>910-638-5229</DIV>
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<DIV><BR>On Jun 17, 2014, at 12:12 AM, swaters via Personal_Submersibles
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<DIV>Huge,</DIV>
<DIV>I was just going off of what the blue prints said for a idea of what
that would cost and several members on psubs asked for me to share the
quote. I don't believe I will be doing the K-250 project anyway. </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Scott Waters</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Go
with 3/8” thick it doesn’t buckle as much as ¼” <O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">The
guys who welded my 5/16” said that it would have been half the time with
3/8”. That is why ABS says minimum 3/8” I
believe.<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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Hugh</SPAN><SPAN
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>swaters via Personal_Submersibles<BR><B>Sent:</B>
Tuesday, 17 June 2014 3:22 p.m.<BR><B>To:</B> <A
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<P class=MsoNormal>Hey guys,<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I got a quote back from Arntzen on a K-250
hull.<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>The quote is to roll, tack seam, and reroll to round.
36"diameter and 48" long of 1/4" ASME 516 gr 70.<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>They will do it for $575 and a 2 week lead
time.<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Thanks,<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Scott Waters<O:P></O:P></P></DIV>
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