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<DIV><FONT size=3>Scott,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3>The biggest hassle seems to be when you go from diving with a
230 lb passenger to diving solo. I hope to come up with a method of
shipping/unshipping lead as conveniently as possible in such
circumstances.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3>The formula for three people in a K-350 is the sum of their
ages cannot exceed 120.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3>Jim</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 6/13/2014 9:09:55 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
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<DIV>Jim,</DIV>
<DIV>I have my passengers go from back to front and honestly it doesn't make a
huge difference. The egg carton idea is awesome if you make major changes to
equipment or passengers. For example if I am going to put another person in. I
have had 3 people in the sub and it is tight, but do able.</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Scott Waters</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3>James and Scott,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3>I had planned to have the weight tray inside the hull with a
screw drive such as on a garage door opener driven by an electric motor in
order to adjust the trim. I think Cliff has something similar on the
<EM>R300</EM>.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3>However I've almost abandoned the movable tray
idea in favor of something more like Scott's egg
carton. Once the initial test dives establish the proper trim,
there shouldn't be a lot of need to reposition the weight unless I add
equipment. I have tandem seating so [Human+Lead] in each seat
should remain constant no matter the weight of the pilot or
passenger. In the K-350 where they could swap positions while underway,
there might be more need to move the trim weights. When you
change passengers and/or pilots you might have to add or subtract weights, so
it's more convenient to have the tray inside the hull.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3>Cheers,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>Jim</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>One thing i did think about being a possible idea is a moveable weight
that can be cranked back and forth to adjust trim, a bit like you have on a
plane. Would be quite easy to do and would be handy for fine tuning
trim. Would need another through hull though. Another winter
modification maybe.</DIV>
<DIV>Regards<BR>James<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>That is one way of fixing it. A bigger line would help prevent it
some times, but not 100%. Dan's solution works well. It isn't a major
problem with the K-350 design, just more a pain in the butt.</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Scott Waters</DIV>
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if the ballast tank air fill was on a T in the ballast vent line,
just below the </SPAN></DIV>
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valve, that would blow the water out when surfacing & solve the
problem?</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>Alan,</DIV>
<DIV>It normally happens after the first dive and water gets trapped in
the line. The gravity pulling the water is counteracted on by the pressure
in the MBT pussing the water up therefore the water is trapped not letting
the air out of the MBT.</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Scott Waters</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Dan / Scott,</SPAN></DIV>
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a bit puzzled by this.</SPAN></DIV>
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wouldn't be water in the line initially unless the valve exit was facing
upward & rain </SPAN></DIV>
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wave splash entered it. Does water enter in as the sub bobbles about &
the ballast</SPAN></DIV>
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exit dips below the water? I guess then the water in the line would be
held in place</SPAN></DIV>
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the small air pressure in the ballast tank, which wouldn't be enough
to </SPAN><SPAN style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">force the water
up & out, </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Scott, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>To clear the lines, I screwed a T onto each of the
through hulls that feed air to the MBTs. (on the open end under the
MBTs) Then I fashioned a piece of copper tubing that directs a
stream of air right into the MBT vent line but not actually connected to
it. I put a restriction in the other end of the T to
create enough back pressure so the tubing emits a pretty good blast of air
directed at the vent port. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>To vent the MBTs, I open the conning tower vent
valves then give the tank blow valve a turn till I see the water blow up
and out the vents. That seems to clear the lines and then it vents
properly. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial> It's not a great fix but it
works.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Dan,</DIV>
<DIV>I have the exact same problem with hydrolocking in the vents. I
have to open the hatch and blow the water out with my mouth. Pain in the
butt.</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Scott Waters</DIV>
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<DIV>If I were to do mine over again, I wouldn't vent it as it is
in the plans. Instead of running piping from the MBTs to the
conning tower, I would run linkage, and have the actual valves mounted
on the MBT. </DIV>
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<DIV>Besides slow venting, my biggest problem is getting water in the
piping that won't escape to let the air come through when venting.
A homemade mushroom valves made from bathroom sink
drains controlled by linkage going to the conning tower, or
anywhere easy to reach in the hull, would solve all the problems.
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<DIV>My thought, Dan H.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3>Scott, Alec, Vance, and all,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3>A 3/4" vent is going to be about 2.25 times as big
in cross section as the 1/2" vent. A 1" vent would be about 4
times as big as the 1/2". What are your thoughts/comments
on 3/4", 1" or any other size vent vs another?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>Jim </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 6/11/2014 5:45:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
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<DIV>I totally agree with you on the 1/2 inch vents being way to
small. Eventually I am going to switch mine out to 3/4"</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Scott Waters</DIV>
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<DIV>A member has asked me to post a description of what was going
on with bouyancy on my dive. Which was as follows:</DIV>
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<DIV>I'd asked the crane driver to be prepared for the first dive to
hold me just below the surface as i was expecting to be a little out
of control. </DIV>
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<DIV>At first, i got a bubble stuck in the forward tank. Ive
put quite a large lip on the inside of the tanks in an attempt to
cope with Guernsey seas. I could see the bubble stuck through
the forward dome and i squished myself right up into the front
to try and force it a bit more level so it could escape out of the
vent. It didnt make any difference and then all the lead i had
inside, slid along the deck right to the back, making the entire
situation worse. Closed vents, blew mains and
re-surfaced.</DIV>
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<DIV>Next attempt, i got the bubble stuck in the aft tank.
This wasnt as bad because the motor cut away allows air to escape so
i got under a little further, but not enough. I flooded the
variable in an attempt to get under. Still no good, so i asked
the divers to shove on the back. This got the boat under, but
then because of the total lack of air in any tanks, i sank to the
bottom like a stone. Depth was 6m (20ft). I expected to
stop on the crane ropes, but the driver must have misunderstood me
and before i knew it, the bottom was in sight and then i was down
with a gentle bump. </DIV>
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<DIV>I sat for a bit talking to my brother on the radio and then
shut the variable vent and pumped a little air into the tank.
I slowely started to rise. Flooded it again and started to
sink. Really quite straight forward. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Blowing the VBT completely brought me up fairly quickly until i
seemed to be just awash with the surface. Filling the mains
then brought me right out. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I did several more test dives after that and as long as i
evened out the venting of the main tanks to avoid the bubbles, i
could dive without the divers assistance. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I next got the boat neutral just off the bottom and then used
the motors to drive up and down. I was not aware at the time that
one motor was not working but it still seemed quite responsive and i
could drive all the way up to the top or down to the bottom,
stopping anywhere in between.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I need to add some extra vents to the main tanks to prevent the
air pocket from occuring again, and also those half inch vents are
far too small. It takes forever to vent the main tanks.
Thats one for a winter modification.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I think that was it.</DIV>
<DIV>Regards</DIV>
<DIV>James</DIV>
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