<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:8pt"><div>I agree with you Dan and will not be using the designed venting when refurbishing the K-600.</div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 8pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> On Thursday, June 12, 2014 5:14 AM, James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv5534368714"><div><div>Personally, the reason for going to 3/4 inch is that the valves are 3/4 inch. So thats the
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<div>But, i think Alec makes a really good point on the safety aspect as well. It would be very easy to catch the valve handle by accident. So maybe 3/4 is a good compromise. Still, im not going to change that until the winter, want to get some diving in now.</div>
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<div class="yiv5534368714gmail_quote">On 12 June 2014 03:37, swaters via Personal_Submersibles <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div>I have the exact same problem with hydrolocking in the vents. I have to open the hatch and blow the water out with my mouth. Pain in the butt.</div>
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<div>If I were to do mine over again, I wouldn't vent it as it is in the plans. Instead of running piping from the MBTs to the conning tower, I would run linkage, and have the actual valves mounted on the MBT. </div>
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<div>Besides slow venting, my biggest problem is getting water in the piping that won't escape to let the air come through when venting. A homemade mushroom valves made from bathroom sink drains controlled by linkage going to the conning tower, or anywhere easy to reach in the hull, would solve all the problems. </div>
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<div>My thought, Dan H.</div></div>
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<div style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: arial;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Bouyancy</div>
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</font><div><font size="3">Scott, Alec, Vance, and all,</font></div>
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<div><font size="3">A 3/4" vent is going to be about 2.25 times as big in cross section as the 1/2" vent. A 1" vent would be about 4 times as big as the 1/2". What are your thoughts/comments on 3/4", 1" or any other size vent vs another?</font></div>
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<div><font size="3">Thanks,</font></div>
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<div>In a message dated 6/11/2014 5:45:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a> writes:</div>
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</font><div>James,</div>
<div>I totally agree with you on the 1/2 inch vents being way to small. Eventually I am going to switch mine out to 3/4"</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
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<div>Hi All,</div>
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<div>A member has asked me to post a description of what was going on with bouyancy on my dive. Which was as follows:</div>
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<div>I'd asked the crane driver to be prepared for the first dive to hold me just below the surface as i was expecting to be a little out of control. </div>
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<div>At first, i got a bubble stuck in the forward tank. Ive put quite a large lip on the inside of the tanks in an attempt to cope with Guernsey seas. I could see the bubble stuck through the forward dome and i squished myself right up into the front to try and force it a bit more level so it could escape out of the vent. It didnt make any difference and then all the lead i had inside, slid along the deck right to the back, making the entire situation worse. Closed vents, blew mains and re-surfaced.</div>
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<div>Next attempt, i got the bubble stuck in the aft tank. This wasnt as bad because the motor cut away allows air to escape so i got under a little further, but not enough. I flooded the variable in an attempt to get under. Still no good, so i asked the divers to shove on the back. This got the boat under, but then because of the total lack of air in any tanks, i sank to the bottom like a stone. Depth was 6m (20ft). I expected to stop on the crane ropes, but the driver must have misunderstood me and before i knew it, the bottom was in sight and then i was down with a gentle bump. </div>
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<div>I sat for a bit talking to my brother on the radio and then shut the variable vent and pumped a little air into the tank. I slowely started to rise. Flooded it again and started to sink. Really quite straight forward. </div>
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<div>Blowing the VBT completely brought me up fairly quickly until i seemed to be just awash with the surface. Filling the mains then brought me right out. </div>
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<div>I did several more test dives after that and as long as i evened out the venting of the main tanks to avoid the bubbles, i could dive without the divers assistance. </div>
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<div>I next got the boat neutral just off the bottom and then used the motors to drive up and down. I was not aware at the time that one motor was not working but it still seemed quite responsive and i could drive all the way up to the top or down to the bottom, stopping anywhere in between.</div>
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<div>I need to add some extra vents to the main tanks to prevent the air pocket from occuring again, and also those half inch vents are far too small. It takes forever to vent the main tanks. Thats one for a winter modification.</div>
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<div>I think that was it.</div>
<div>Regards</div>
<div>James</div>
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