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size=2>Another to compare: <BR><BR>Depthstar
4000 </font> <BR>1965<BR>Diameter Sphere 2000 mm<BR>Thichness 30,5
mm<BR>HY-80<BR>Deep rate 1220 m <BR>3 persons <BR>9,0 ts total<BR>1
Mill.USD
(1965)
<BR><BR>vbr Carsten <BR>
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<div>As a comparison. The 6' sphere Perry used for the 3000' ARMS bells
and the PC-16 were .75" wall HY-100. More expensive, but 40%(ish)
lighter. </div><div>Vance</div><div><br>Sent from my
iPhone</div><div><br>On Apr 9, 2014, at 6:53 PM, Alan James <<A
href="mailto:alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com">alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com</a>>
wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="FONT-SIZE:
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><div><span>Scott,</span></div><div style="FONT-SIZE: 18px;
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><span>I make 1.23" thick for a 72" ID sphere 516-70 to that depth,
sea water. </span></div><div style="FONT-SIZE: 18px; FONT-FAMILY:
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><span>That was on the "free" Under Pressure program. It should be
somewhere in the ball park.</span></div><div style="FONT-SIZE: 18px;
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</span></b> "<A
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<br> <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, April
10, 2014 10:29 AM<br> <b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:
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id="yiv4031161811"><div><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:
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></span><div>Would anyone on psubs who knows how to use CAD run a
pressure test on a simple 6' sphere with ASME 516 grade 70 steel, then
again with HY-80? What are required wall thicknesses to meet crush depth
of 5709 feet (2543 psi). If you have time maybe even a 48" cylinder with
ribs. </div>
<div>On a lighter note, Alec and I have been talking about hard to find
things that I can make for psub members with my plasma robot. I am going
to attempt making a manipulator arm kit that will be inexpensive and
very functionable for our subs. I'll post progress as it comes.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Scott Waters</div>
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<div id="yiv4031161811wmQuoteWrapper">-------- Original Message
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clear="none">From: hank pronk <<A
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<div><span>Scott,</span></div>
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><span>Don't give up, talk to a submarine hull designer.
Someone who does this for a living, explore all the
options.</span></div>
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><span>Pay for a design in material that is workable</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial">On Wednesday, April 9, 2014
4:06:47 PM, "<A href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com" shape=rect
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<div>Ugg. Ok. That might kill that idea.</div>
<div>-Scott Waters </div>
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<div id="yiv4031161811wmQuoteWrapper">-------- Original Message
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clear="none">From: Daniel Lance Lance <<A
href="mailto:lanceind@gmail.com" shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:lanceind@gmail.com">lanceind@gmail.com</a>><br
clear="none">Date: Wed, April 09, 2014 2:57 pm<br clear="none">To:
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<div dir="ltr">Scott,
<div> A 3300 fsw capable sub will more then likely require that the
pressure hull be fabricated from HY-80 or HY-100 . I can assure you that
working with either of these two alloys is not for the faint of heart or
wallet . I am sure Phil Nuytten can shed some light on this subject .
Idabel was built from parts scavenged from some well know subs. If
memory serves me correctly the acrylic dome and a HY-100 sphere came
IUC's Beaver . The other sphere came from one of the Perry boats .(
Vance if I have this wrong please set me straight ). If you get lucky
and find some similar bargains you might hit your budget of $100 to
$200K . If you have to start from scratch I think $1 to $2 million would
not be unrealistic considering the learning curve you will experience.
The level of quality control required to work with HY type alloys is
something to behold . I am not saying it can't be done it's just that
you might make a serious dent in your inheritance
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<div>Just my two cents,</div>
<div>Dan Lance</div></div>
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<div class="yiv4031161811gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 2:07 PM,
<span dir="ltr"><<A href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com" shape=rect
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<div>Thanks Carsten for the encouragement</div>
<div>Thanks Alan for all the CAD info</div>
<div> </div>
<div>-Scott Waters </div>
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<div>-------- Original Message --------<br clear="none">Subject: Re:
[PSUBS-MAILIST] New submarine<br clear="none"></div>
<div>From: "Carsten Standfuß " <<A
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target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de">MerlinSub@t-online.de</a>><br
clear="none">Date: Wed, April 09, 2014 10:33 am<br clear="none">To:
"Personal Submersibles General Discussion"<br clear="none"><<A
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<div><font face="Courier New">Scott thats excat the way to go. Big step
for a man - but not immpossible to reach.<br clear="none"><br
clear="none"><font size="1">"We are going to the moon, not because it is
easy, but because it is hard.."</font> </font> <br clear="none"><br
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href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com" shape=rect rel=nofollow
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<div>The good thing is I have a very capable shop now days. With
every process of welding available, robotic plasma cutting and design
software, a 8,000 crain/lift, metal lathe, hydrolic ban saw with
coolant, and about every tool anyone could want, it makes life a lot
easier. When I started my K-350 back 5 years ago I was a kid with a set
of blue prints and a goal of one day having a submarine and that's it. I
didn't know anything about submarines besides they used "ballast" to go
up and down. I didn't know how to weld at all or even knew what a metal
lathe was. And the only tools I had was a small tool bag with basic
stuff my dad had given me from our family hardware store as a graduation
present. The reason I don't want to build a 1000' sub is it is not a big
enough goal. I need something that is the difficulty level of starting
with nothing and no idea to a k-350. I compare a k-350 to a 1000m
(3300') sub with completely capable manipulator
and tooling with very advanced technology to be a similar difficulty
level and step. I also want to push the envelope for psubs about what we
are capable of. Combined we have so much knowledge that if we all worked
together, we could be producing ideas and
inventions right up there with the big dogs. Hope this helps with
everyone understanding my vision</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Scott Waters</div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div></div>
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[PSUBS-MAILIST] New submarine<br clear="none"></div>
<div>From: hank pronk <<A href="mailto:hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca"
shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca">hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca</a>><br
clear="none">Date: Wed, April 09, 2014 5:42 am<br clear="none"></div>
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<div><span>You can not make a comparison between what Karl built and
what Scott wants to build. The two subs are totally
different. I could see building Scott's dream sub for 125K if you
have your own pressure vessel fab shop. (maybe)
Otherwise it just isn't realistic for that
cost. </span></div>
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Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; FONT-STYLE:
normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"><span>I do not mean to imply
that Scott or any other psub builder can not build a k3000.
As a matter of fact with the proper budget and realistic assessment of
your abilities we can all do it. </span></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica
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<div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial">On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 5:06:52
AM, James Frankland <<A href="mailto:jamesf@guernseysubmarine.com"
shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank
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<div>Scott,</div>
<div>Have a look at this. As long as your a student of something,
somewhere, your ok. Join a local tiddlywinks class or
something.</div>
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href="http://www.autodesk.com/education/free-software/inventor-professional">http://www.autodesk.com/education/free-software/inventor-professional</a><br
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<div>This is not too difficult to use.</div>
<div>Regards</div>
<div>James</div>
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<div>On 9 April 2014 04:09, swaters <span dir="ltr"><<A
href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com" shape=rect rel=nofollow
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<div>I will do the work myself, and not hire it out professionally. I
built my K-350 and it was $40,000 after all the gadgets were put in and
I hired out alot of work because I didn't know how to do it at the time.
I did a comparative analysis on weight to dollar. My K-350 at $40,000
and 4,500 lbs is comparative ofa 10,500 lb sub would be $93,333 if you
add more for acrylic costs my rough math seems to jive with the
$125,000. </div></div>
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<div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Scott Waters</div>
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<div><span>I think that is a dream guys, 125K no way. Not if it is
a professional build, and it has to be. If you do it right you can
spend that to do 1,000 feet. </span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial">On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 8:25:15 PM,
Douglas Suhr <<A href="mailto:spiritofcalypso@gmail.com" shape=rect
rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:spiritofcalypso@gmail.com">spiritofcalypso@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">Wow! $125K for 2500 ' 3000 feet? That's some serious
dollar-to-fathom value! </div></div>
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<div>On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 10:14 PM, swaters <span dir="ltr"><<A
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<div>$125,000 is reachable for me. Sounds like this could be a
reality.</div></div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Scott Waters</div>
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<div>He said in an interview that Idabel cost $125,000.<br
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<div>On Apr 8, 2014, at 10:03 PM, Douglas Suhr <<A
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<div dir="ltr">Scott, I have no experience with any large pressure
chambers, but I am sure you are talking well into the thousands (perhaps
$15,000 to $35,000) depending on how long it takes to set up the
required tests (and perform them).
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<div>I truly admire your ambition, but like Hank suggested, 1000 feet
may be a better 2nd sub goal. If I were planning to go beyond 1000 feet,
I would be looking to Nuytco, SeaMagine or Triton but of course cost is
then a major issue again. Does anyone know about how much Karl spent
building Idabel? ~ Douglas S. </div></div></div></div>
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<div>On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 7:48 PM, swaters <span dir="ltr"><<A
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<div>Any idea as to the cost of pressure testing that kind of
pressure? </div>
<div>Also, I am not a engineer, but am fairly good at designing things
in my head. If I designed this in CAD, does psubs have a good way of
sharing CAD files for who ever would like too look at my designs and
bounce ideas off of? </div>
<div>I would love for this project to be a way for psubs to increase
overall psubs knowledge of cutting edge and affordable solutions for
things like sonar and manipulator arms and things.</div></div></div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Scott Waters</div>
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<div>Maryland and California (Navy) and Texas (southwest
research).</div>
<div>Vance<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br clear="none">On Apr 8, 2014, at 7:14 PM, swaters <<A
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<div>So is the design of crush depth of 1750m and test to 1250m the
idea? Next question is where can you find a pressure chamber that has
1670psi capability?</div></div></div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Scott Waters</div>
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<div><span>Scott,</span></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 18px; FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue,"
><span>in general people design their boats
with a crush depth of</span></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 18px; FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue,"
><span>twice their operating depth, then test
them to 1.25 or 1.5 x</span></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 18px; FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue,"
><span>there proposed maximum operating
depth.</span></div></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 18px; FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue,"
><span>So design to 2000 meters & test it
to 1250 meters.</span></div>
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<div>I am playing with the idea of building another submarine. Here is
what I am thinking.</div>
<div>1) This project needs to be as challenging as the same amount of
difficulty as it was to build my first submarine</div>
<div>2) I want to have lots of bottom time with my K-350 to learn what
needs to be improved on in design and ability.</div>
<div>3) Learn to use CAD </div>
<div>4) Project will take 5-7 years to complete</div>
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<div>My initial goals are</div>
<div>1) Hold 3 people</div>
<div>2) Weigh 10,500lbs or less</div>
<div>3) Depth of 3,300 feet (1000m)</div></div>
<div>4) Have a very effective range of abilities such as a good
manipulator arm and tooling</div>
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<div>5) Have a wide veiwing maybe a acylic dome front</div>
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<div>Ok, shoot holes in the ideas. What will be the main challenges to
overcome? What complications am I not considering?</div>
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