<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Scott, get as much information on it as you can before purchasing.</div><div>The initial cost is negligible compared with the hours you spend</div><div>learning it. It would be a bummer spending hundreds of hours</div><div>learning a program & finding you could have purchased something more</div><div>relevant.</div><div>I looked at Solid Works & went to a 3 hr seminar on updates from 2012</div><div>to 2013. The program was so huge, it scared me off. It would have been</div><div>ok if I were intending to use it 40 hrs a week, but for just designing subs,</div><div>I would have got totally overwhelmed.</div><div>Alan</div><div><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On 10/04/2014, at 7:32 am, <<a href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com">swaters@waters-ks.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#000000; font-size:10pt;"><div>Haha. I appreciate the info. I feel like last time this discussion was kind of like this with no real conclusion and I was very confused as what to do, me being a first timer to CAD. </div>
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<div><font size="3">I bought <em>TurboCAD Pro Platinum 18</em> with two training CDs. <a href="http://www.imsidesign.com/" target="_blank">http://www.imsidesign.com/</a></font></div>
<div><font size="3">It seems to be a great program with full volumetric and parametric capabilities (important). I think Steve McQueen uses it. Besides all the features, I chose it because of the huge discount for not being the very latest release. A new release comes out at least once per year. The version updates are reasonable, but it's not at all necessary to get each one as they're released. I didn't buy <em>AutoCAD</em> because of the high cost, however with the eligibility to get the educational version that consideration might disappear.</font></div>
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<div><font size="3">I've just told all I know on the subject, so I'm going to leave it to others to expound on it.</font></div>
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<div>In a message dated 4/9/2014 2:17:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, <a href="mailto:alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com">alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com</a> writes:</div>
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<div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto">>> I am not sure if Rino can give figures like center of graphity, of bouanvy, weights, areas and so on. </div>
<div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto">See the link. Orca is a marine design program plug in for Rhino. </div>
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<div style="-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto"><br>On 10/04/2014, at 6:05 am, "Carsten Standfuß " <<a title="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de" href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de" target="_blank">MerlinSub@t-online.de</a>> wrote:<br><br></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="Courier New">Scott Rhino is mostly a modeller for nices shapes and surfaces - not a real CAD programm. <br>Rinoi is nice if you like to design something organic. Like the exterior of a motoryacht.<br>For a submarine use a 2D or 3D Autocad, Megacad or simillar or Inventor if you like to go 3D. </font> <br>I am not sure if Rino can give figures like center of graphity, of bouanvy, weights, areas and so on. <br><br>vbr Carsten<br><br>"Joe Perkel" <<a title="mailto:josephperkel@yahoo.com" href="mailto:josephperkel@yahoo.com" target="_blank">josephperkel@yahoo.com</a>> schrieb:
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<td valign="top">Scott,<br><br>For CAD I must of course recommend what I use, Rhino3d with Flamingo NXT renderer. I have not seen nicer renderings for marine designs than this combination can produce.<br><br>As for inspiration, think "out of the box," look for it in odd places. Bigger need not be necessarily better, but "inspired," "imaginative."<br><br><br>Joe<a title="http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS" href="http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS" target="_blank"><br><br>Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad</a></td></tr></tbody></table>
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</span> </b>swaters <<a title="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com" href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com" target="_blank">swaters@waters-ks.com</a>>; <br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span> </b>Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a title="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>>; <br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span> </b>Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New submarine <br><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</span> </b>Wed, Apr 9, 2014 2:46:53 PM <br></div><br>
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<div>Very true. I am still in the research phase and will put together a full spreadsheet. I do the same thing when I build new stores. It is possible to find the project is not feasable and move on to the next idea too.</div>
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