<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body><div>Haha! Agreed. Thanks Jim</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:75%;color:#575757">Sent from my U.S. Cellular© Smartphone</div></div> <br>JimToddPsub@aol.com wrote:<br><font id="role_document" color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial">
<div><font size="3">Scott,</font></div>
<div><font size="3">Putting together a really cool shop is about as much fun as
building a sub. And you can't let a facility like that go to waste. Roll
on!</font></div>
<div><font size="3">Jim</font></div>
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<div>
<div>In a message dated 4/9/2014 8:38:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
swaters@waters-ks.com writes:</div>
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<div>The good thing is I have a very capable shop now days. With every
process of welding available, robotic plasma cutting and design software, a
8,000 crain/lift, metal lathe, hydrolic ban saw with coolant, and about
every tool anyone could want, it makes life a lot easier. When I started my
K-350 back 5 years ago I was a kid with a set of blue prints and a goal of one
day having a submarine and that's it. I didn't know anything about submarines
besides they used "ballast" to go up and down. I didn't know how to weld at
all or even knew what a metal lathe was. And the only tools I had was a small
tool bag with basic stuff my dad had given me from our family hardware store
as a graduation present. The reason I don't want to build a 1000' sub is it is
not a big enough goal. I need something that is the difficulty level of
starting with nothing and no idea to a k-350. I compare a k-350 to a 1000m
(3300') sub with completely capable manipulator and tooling with very advanced
technology to be a similar difficulty level and step. I also want to push the
envelope for psubs about what we are capable of. Combined we have so much
knowledge that if we all worked together, we could be
producing ideas and inventions right up there with the big dogs.
Hope this helps with everyone understanding my vision</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Scott Waters</div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div>-------- Original Message --------<br>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New
submarine<br>From: hank pronk <<a title="mailto:hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca" href="mailto:hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca">hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca</a>><br>Date:
Wed, April 09, 2014 5:42 am<br>To: Personal Submersibles General
Discussion<br><<a title="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br><br></div>
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<div><span>You can not make a comparison between what Karl built and what
Scott wants to build. The two subs are totally different. I
could see building Scott's dream sub for 125K if you have your own
pressure vessel fab shop. (maybe) Otherwise it just isn't
realistic for that cost. </span></div>
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do not mean to imply that Scott or any other psub builder can not build
a k3000. As a matter of fact with the proper budget and realistic
assessment of your abilities we can all do it. </span></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"><span>Hank</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial">On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 5:06:52 AM,
James Frankland <<a title="mailto:jamesf@guernseysubmarine.com" href="mailto:jamesf@guernseysubmarine.com">jamesf@guernseysubmarine.com</a>>
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<div>Scott,</div>
<div>Have a look at this. As long as your a student of something,
somewhere, your ok. Join a local tiddlywinks class or something.</div>
<div> </div>
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<div>This is not too difficult to use.</div>
<div>Regards</div>
<div>James</div>
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<div class="yiv5929188068gmail_quote">On 9 April 2014 04:09, swaters <span dir="ltr"><<a title="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com" href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com">swaters@waters-ks.com</a>></span>
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<div>I will do the work myself, and not hire it out professionally. I
built my K-350 and it was $40,000 after all the gadgets were put in and I
hired out alot of work because I didn't know how to do it at the time. I
did a comparative analysis on weight to dollar. My K-350 at $40,000 and
4,500 lbs is comparative ofa 10,500 lb sub would be $93,333 if you add
more for acrylic costs my rough math seems to jive with the
$125,000. </div>
<div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Scott Waters</div>
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<div><span>I think that is a dream guys, 125K no way. Not if it is a
professional build, and it has to be. If you do it right you can
spend that to do 1,000 feet. </span></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 16px; FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"><span>Hank</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial">On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 8:25:15 PM,
Douglas Suhr <<a title="mailto:spiritofcalypso@gmail.com" href="mailto:spiritofcalypso@gmail.com" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:spiritofcalypso@gmail.com">spiritofcalypso@gmail.com</a>>
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<div>
<div dir="ltr">Wow! $125K for 2500 − 3000 feet? That's some serious
dollar-to-fathom value! </div>
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<div>On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 10:14 PM, swaters <span dir="ltr"><<a title="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com" href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com">swaters@waters-ks.com</a>></span>
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<div>$125,000 is reachable for me. Sounds like this could be a
reality.</div>
<div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Scott Waters</div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 75%; COLOR: rgb(87,87,87)">Sent from my U.S.
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<<a title="mailto:VBra676539@AOL.com" href="mailto:VBra676539@AOL.com">VBra676539@AOL.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div>He said in an interview that Idabel cost $125,000.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div>Sent from my iPhone</div>
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<div>On Apr 8, 2014, at 10:03 PM, Douglas Suhr <<a title="mailto:spiritofcalypso@gmail.com" href="mailto:spiritofcalypso@gmail.com" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:spiritofcalypso@gmail.com">spiritofcalypso@gmail.com</a>>
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<div>
<div dir="ltr">Scott, I have no experience with any large pressure
chambers, but I am sure you are talking well into the thousands
(perhaps $15,000 to $35,000) depending on how long it takes to set up
the required tests (and perform them).
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<div>I truly admire your ambition, but like Hank suggested, 1000 feet
may be a better 2nd sub goal. If I were planning to go beyond 1000
feet, I would be looking to Nuytco, SeaMagine or Triton but of course
cost is then a major issue again. Does anyone know about how much Karl
spent building Idabel? ~ Douglas S. </div></div></div>
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<div>On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 7:48 PM, swaters <span dir="ltr"><<a title="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com" href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com">swaters@waters-ks.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br clear="none"></div>
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<div>
<div>Any idea as to the cost of pressure testing that kind of
pressure? </div>
<div>Also, I am not a engineer, but am fairly good at designing
things in my head. If I designed this in CAD, does psubs have a good
way of sharing CAD files for who ever would like too look at my
designs and bounce ideas off of? </div>
<div>I would love for this project to be a way for psubs to increase
overall psubs knowledge of cutting edge and affordable solutions for
things like sonar and manipulator arms and things.</div></div>
<div>
<div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Scott Waters</div>
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<div>Vance Bradley <<a title="mailto:VBra676539@AOL.com" href="mailto:VBra676539@AOL.com" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:VBra676539@AOL.com">VBra676539@AOL.com</a>>
wrote:<br clear="none">
<div>Maryland and California (Navy) and Texas (southwest
research).</div>
<div>Vance<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br clear="none">On Apr 8, 2014, at 7:14 PM, swaters <<a title="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com" href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com">swaters@waters-ks.com</a>>
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<div>
<div>So is the design of crush depth of 1750m and test to 1250m
the idea? Next question is where can you find a pressure chamber
that has 1670psi capability?</div></div>
<div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Scott Waters</div>
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<div style="FONT-SIZE: 75%; COLOR: rgb(87,87,87)">Sent from my
U.S. Cellular© Smartphone</div></div><br clear="none"></div>Alan
James <<a title="mailto:alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com" href="mailto:alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com">alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com</a>>
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<div><span>Scott,</span></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 18px; FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"><span>in
general people design their boats with a crush depth
of</span></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 18px; FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"><span>twice
their operating depth, then test them to 1.25 or 1.5
x</span></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 18px; FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"><span>there
proposed maximum operating depth.</span></div></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 18px; FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"><span>So
design to 2000 meters & test it to 1250 meters.</span></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 18px; FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; FONT-STYLE: normal; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"><span>Alan</span></div>
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<div><font face="Arial"><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</span></b> swaters <<a title="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com" href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com">swaters@waters-ks.com</a>><br clear="none"><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</span></b> <a title="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" shape="rect" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>
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Tuesday, April 8, 2014 4:29 PM<br clear="none"><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b> [PSUBS-MAILIST] New
submarine<br clear="none"></font></div></div>
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<div>
<div>I am playing with the idea of building another submarine.
Here is what I am thinking.</div>
<div>1) This project needs to be as challenging as the same amount
of difficulty as it was to build my first submarine</div>
<div>2) I want to have lots of bottom time with my K-350 to learn
what needs to be improved on in design and ability.</div>
<div>3) Learn to use CAD </div>
<div>4) Project will take 5-7 years to complete</div>
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<div>
<div>My initial goals are</div>
<div>1) Hold 3 people</div>
<div>2) Weigh 10,500lbs or less</div>
<div>3) Depth of 3,300 feet (1000m)</div></div>
<div>4) Have a very effective range of abilities such as a good
manipulator arm and tooling</div>
<div>
<div>5) Have a wide veiwing maybe a acylic dome front</div>
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<div>Ok, shoot holes in the ideas. What will be the main
challenges to overcome? What complications am I not
considering?</div>
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<div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Scott Waters</div>
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