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<DIV><FONT size=3>Regarding acrylic domes and flat ports, what effect does 
calendar age and number of dive cycles have on life span especially for a deep 
diver such as this?  It seems that this as well as other overhaul 
costs/schedule would need to be factored into the project.  I've wondered 
about the life span of the dome on Idabel.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>Jim</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 4/9/2014 5:12:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca writes:</DIV>
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  <DIV><SPAN>Scott,</SPAN></DIV>
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  give up, talk to a submarine hull designer.  Someone who does this for a 
  living, explore all the options.</SPAN></DIV>
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  for a design in material that is workable</SPAN></DIV>
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  <DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2 face=Arial>On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 4:06:47 PM, 
  "swaters@waters-ks.com" <swaters@waters-ks.com> wrote:<BR></FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV>Ugg. Ok. That might kill that idea.</DIV>
  <DIV>-Scott Waters </DIV>
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    <DIV id=yiv2551663455wmQuoteWrapper>-------- Original Message --------<BR 
    clear=none>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New submarine<BR clear=none>From: 
    Daniel Lance Lance <<A title=mailto:lanceind@gmail.com 
    href="mailto:lanceind@gmail.com" shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank 
    ymailto="mailto:lanceind@gmail.com">lanceind@gmail.com</A>><BR 
    clear=none>Date: Wed, April 09, 2014 2:57 pm<BR clear=none>To: Personal 
    Submersibles General Discussion<BR clear=none><<A 
    title=mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org 
    href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" shape=rect rel=nofollow 
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    <DIV dir=ltr>Scott, 
    <DIV> A 3300 fsw capable sub will more then likely require that the 
    pressure hull be fabricated from HY-80 or HY-100 . I can assure you that 
    working with either of these two alloys is not for the faint of heart or 
    wallet . I am sure Phil Nuytten can shed some light on this subject . Idabel 
    was built from parts scavenged from some well know subs. If memory serves me 
    correctly the acrylic dome and a HY-100 sphere came IUC's Beaver . The other 
    sphere came from one of the Perry boats .( Vance if I have this wrong please 
    set me straight ). If you get lucky and find some similar bargains you might 
    hit your budget of $100 to $200K . If you have to start from scratch I think 
    $1 to $2 million would not be unrealistic considering the learning curve you 
    will experience. The level of quality control required to work with HY type 
    alloys is something to behold . I am not saying it can't be done it's just 
    that you might make a serious dent in your inheritance .</DIV>
    <DIV>Just my two cents,</DIV>
    <DIV>Dan Lance</DIV></DIV>
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    <DIV class=yiv2551663455gmail_quote>On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 2:07 PM, <SPAN 
    dir=ltr><<A title=mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com 
    href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com" shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank 
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    wrote:<BR clear=none>
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      <DIV>Thanks Carsten for the encouragement</DIV>
      <DIV>Thanks Alan for all the CAD info</DIV>
      <DIV> </DIV>
      <DIV>-Scott Waters </DIV>
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        <DIV>-------- Original Message --------<BR clear=none>Subject: Re: 
        [PSUBS-MAILIST] New submarine<BR clear=none></DIV>
        <DIV>From: "Carsten Standfuß " <<A title=mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de 
        href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de" shape=rect rel=nofollow 
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        ymailto="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de">MerlinSub@t-online.de</A>><BR 
        clear=none>Date: Wed, April 09, 2014 10:33 am<BR clear=none>To: 
        "Personal Submersibles General Discussion"<BR clear=none><<A 
        title=mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org 
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        <DIV><FONT face="Courier New">Scott thats excat the way to go. Big step 
        for a man - but not immpossible to reach.<BR clear=none><BR 
        clear=none><FONT size=1>"We are going to the moon, not because it is 
        easy, but because it is hard.."</FONT> </FONT> <BR clear=none><BR 
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        schrieb: </DIV>
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          <DIV>The good thing is I have a very capable shop now days. With 
          every process of welding available, robotic plasma cutting and design 
          software, a 8,000 crain/lift, metal lathe, hydrolic ban saw with 
          coolant, and about every tool anyone could want, it makes life a lot 
          easier. When I started my K-350 back 5 years ago I was a kid with a 
          set of blue prints and a goal of one day having a submarine and that's 
          it. I didn't know anything about submarines besides they used 
          "ballast" to go up and down. I didn't know how to weld at all or even 
          knew what a metal lathe was. And the only tools I had was a small tool 
          bag with basic stuff my dad had given me from our family hardware 
          store as a graduation present. The reason I don't want to build a 
          1000' sub is it is not a big enough goal. I need something that is the 
          difficulty level of starting with nothing and no idea to a k-350. I 
          compare a k-350 to a 1000m (3300') sub with completely capable 
          manipulator and tooling with very advanced technology to be a similar 
          difficulty level and step. I also want to push the envelope for psubs 
          about what we are capable of. Combined we have so much knowledge that 
          if we all worked together, we could be producing ideas and 
          inventions right up there with the big dogs. Hope this helps with 
          everyone understanding my vision</DIV>
          <DIV> </DIV>
          <DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
          <DIV>Scott Waters</DIV>
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          <DIV>-------- Original Message --------<BR clear=none>Subject: Re: 
          [PSUBS-MAILIST] New submarine<BR clear=none></DIV>
          <DIV>From: hank pronk <<A title=mailto:hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca 
          href="mailto:hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca" shape=rect rel=nofollow 
          target=_blank 
          ymailto="mailto:hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca">hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca</A>><BR 
          clear=none>Date: Wed, April 09, 2014 5:42 am<BR clear=none></DIV>
          <DIV>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion<BR clear=none><<A 
          title=mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org 
          href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" shape=rect rel=nofollow 
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            <DIV><SPAN>You can not make a comparison between what Karl built and 
            what Scott wants to build.  The two subs are totally 
            different.  I could see building Scott's dream sub for 125K if 
            you have your own  pressure vessel fab shop.  
            (maybe)  Otherwise it just isn't realistic for that 
            cost.  </SPAN></DIV>
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            do not mean to imply that Scott or any other psub builder can 
            not build a k3000.  As a matter of fact with the proper budget 
            and realistic assessment of your abilities we can all do it.  
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            <DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial>On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 5:06:52 
            AM, James Frankland <<A title=mailto:jamesf@guernseysubmarine.com 
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            <DIV>Scott,</DIV>
            <DIV>Have a look at this. As long as your a student of 
            something, somewhere, your ok.  Join a local tiddlywinks class 
            or something.</DIV>
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            <DIV><A 
            title=http://www.autodesk.com/education/free-software/inventor-professional 
            href="http://www.autodesk.com/education/free-software/inventor-professional" 
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            <DIV>This is not too difficult to use.</DIV>
            <DIV>Regards</DIV>
            <DIV>James</DIV>
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            <DIV>On 9 April 2014 04:09, swaters <SPAN dir=ltr><<A 
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              <DIV>I will do the work myself, and not hire it out 
              professionally. I built my K-350 and it was $40,000 after all the 
              gadgets were put in and I hired out alot of work because I didn't 
              know how to do it at the time. I did a comparative analysis on 
              weight to dollar. My K-350 at $40,000 and 4,500 lbs is comparative 
              ofa 10,500 lb sub would be $93,333 if you add more for acrylic 
              costs my rough math seems to jive with the 
              $125,000. </DIV></DIV>
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              <DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
              <DIV>Scott Waters</DIV>
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              <DIV>hank pronk <<A title=mailto:hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca 
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              <DIV><SPAN>I think that is a dream guys, 125K no way.  Not if 
              it is a professional build, and it has to be.  If you do it 
              right you can spend that to do 1,000 feet.  </SPAN></DIV>
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              <DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial>On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 8:25:15 
              PM, Douglas Suhr <<A title=mailto:spiritofcalypso@gmail.com 
              href="mailto:spiritofcalypso@gmail.com" shape=rect rel=nofollow 
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              ymailto="mailto:spiritofcalypso@gmail.com">spiritofcalypso@gmail.com</A>> 
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              <DIV dir=ltr>Wow! $125K for 2500 ' 3000 feet? That's some serious 
              dollar-to-fathom value! </DIV></DIV>
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              <DIV>On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 10:14 PM, swaters <SPAN dir=ltr><<A 
              title=mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com 
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              wrote:<BR clear=none></DIV>
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                <DIV>$125,000 is reachable for me. Sounds like this could be a 
                reality.</DIV></DIV>
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                <DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
                <DIV>Scott Waters</DIV>
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                <DIV>Vance Bradley <<A title=mailto:VBra676539@AOL.com 
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                wrote:<BR clear=none>
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                <DIV>He said in an interview that Idabel cost $125,000.<BR 
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                <DIV>On Apr 8, 2014, at 10:03 PM, Douglas Suhr <<A 
                title=mailto:spiritofcalypso@gmail.com 
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                ymailto="mailto:spiritofcalypso@gmail.com">spiritofcalypso@gmail.com</A>> 
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                  <DIV dir=ltr>Scott, I have no experience with any large 
                  pressure chambers, but I am sure you are talking well into the 
                  thousands (perhaps $15,000 to $35,000) depending on how long 
                  it takes to set up the required tests (and perform 
                  them).  
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                  <DIV>I truly admire your ambition, but like Hank suggested, 
                  1000 feet may be a better 2nd sub goal. If I were planning to 
                  go beyond 1000 feet, I would be looking to Nuytco, SeaMagine 
                  or Triton but of course cost is then a major issue again. Does 
                  anyone know about how much Karl spent building Idabel? ~ 
                  Douglas S. </DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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                  <DIV>On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 7:48 PM, swaters <SPAN 
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                    <DIV>Any idea as to the cost of pressure testing that kind 
                    of pressure? </DIV>
                    <DIV>Also, I am not a engineer, but am fairly good at 
                    designing things in my head. If I designed this in CAD, does 
                    psubs have a good way of sharing CAD files for who ever 
                    would like too look at my designs and bounce ideas off 
                    of? </DIV>
                    <DIV>I would love for this project to be a way for psubs to 
                    increase overall psubs knowledge of cutting edge and 
                    affordable solutions for things like sonar and manipulator 
                    arms and things.</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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                    <DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
                    <DIV>Scott Waters</DIV>
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                    <DIV>Maryland and California (Navy) and Texas (southwest 
                    research).</DIV>
                    <DIV>Vance<BR clear=none><BR clear=none>Sent from my 
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                    <DIV><BR clear=none>On Apr 8, 2014, at 7:14 PM, swaters 
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                      <DIV>So is the design of crush depth of 1750m and test to 
                      1250m the idea? Next question is where can you find a 
                      pressure chamber that has 1670psi 
                      capability?</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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                      <DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
                      <DIV>Scott Waters</DIV>
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                      <DIV><SPAN>Scott,</SPAN></DIV>
                      <DIV 
                      style="FONT-SIZE: 18px; FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue,"><SPAN>in 
                      general people design their boats with a crush depth 
                      of</SPAN></DIV>
                      <DIV 
                      style="FONT-SIZE: 18px; FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue,"><SPAN>twice 
                      their operating depth, then test them to 1.25 or 1.5 
                      x</SPAN></DIV>
                      <DIV 
                      style="FONT-SIZE: 18px; FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue,"><SPAN>there 
                      proposed maximum operating depth.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
                      <DIV 
                      style="FONT-SIZE: 18px; FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue,"><SPAN>So 
                      design to 2000 meters & test it to 1250 
                      meters.</SPAN></DIV>
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                      style="FONT-SIZE: 18px; FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue,"><SPAN>Alan</SPAN></DIV>
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                      style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, April 
                      8, 2014 4:29 PM<BR clear=none><B><SPAN 
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                      [PSUBS-MAILIST] New submarine<BR 
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                      <DIV>I am playing with the idea of building another 
                      submarine. Here is what I am thinking.</DIV>
                      <DIV>1) This project needs to be as challenging as the 
                      same amount of difficulty as it was to build my first 
                      submarine</DIV>
                      <DIV>2) I want to have lots of bottom time with my K-350 
                      to learn what needs to be improved on in design and 
                      ability.</DIV>
                      <DIV>3) Learn to use CAD </DIV>
                      <DIV>4) Project will take 5-7 years to complete</DIV>
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                      <DIV>My initial goals are</DIV>
                      <DIV>1) Hold 3 people</DIV>
                      <DIV>2) Weigh 10,500lbs or less</DIV>
                      <DIV>3) Depth of 3,300 feet (1000m)</DIV></DIV>
                      <DIV>4) Have a very effective range of abilities such as a 
                      good manipulator arm and tooling</DIV>
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                      <DIV>5) Have a wide veiwing maybe a acylic dome 
front</DIV>
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                      <DIV>Ok, shoot holes in the ideas. What will be the main 
                      challenges to overcome? What complications am I not 
                      considering?</DIV>
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                      <DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
                      <DIV>Scott Waters</DIV>
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