<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body><div>I will do the work myself, and not hire it out professionally. I built my K-350 and it was $40,000 after all the gadgets were put in and I hired out alot of work because I didn't know how to do it at the time. I did a comparative analysis on weight to dollar. My K-350 at $40,000 and 4,500 lbs is comparative ofa 10,500 lb sub would be $93,333 if you add more for acrylic costs my rough math seems to jive with the $125,000. </div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Scott Waters</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:75%;color:#575757">Sent from my U.S. Cellular© Smartphone</div></div> <br>hank pronk <hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca> wrote:<br><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>I think that is a dream guys, 125K no way. Not if it is a professional build, and it has to be. If you do it right you can spend that to do 1,000 feet. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span>Hank</span></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 8:25:15 PM, Douglas Suhr
<spiritofcalypso@gmail.com> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv5271524616"><div><div dir="ltr">Wow! $125K for 2500 − 3000 feet? That's some serious dollar-to-fathom value! </div><div class="yiv5271524616gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv5271524616gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 10:14 PM, swaters <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com">swaters@waters-ks.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none">
<blockquote class="yiv5271524616gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"><div class="yiv5271524616yqt3115122693" id="yiv5271524616yqt16947"><div><div>$125,000 is reachable for me. Sounds like this could be a reality.</div><div class="yiv5271524616"><div>Thanks,</div><div>
Scott Waters</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><div style="color: rgb(87, 87, 87); font-size: 75%;">Sent from my U.S. Cellular© Smartphone</div></div> <br clear="none"></div>Vance Bradley <VBra676539@AOL.com> wrote:<br clear="none">
<div><div class="yiv5271524616">He said in an interview that Idabel cost $125,000.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br clear="none"><div class="yiv5271524616">On Apr 8, 2014, at 10:03 PM, Douglas Suhr <<a href="mailto:spiritofcalypso@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:spiritofcalypso@gmail.com">spiritofcalypso@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
<br clear="none"></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="yiv5271524616"><div dir="ltr">Scott, I have no experience with any large pressure chambers, but I am sure you are talking well into the thousands (perhaps $15,000 to $35,000) depending on how long it takes to set up the required tests (and perform them). <div>
<br clear="none"></div><div>I truly admire your ambition, but like Hank suggested, 1000 feet may be a better 2nd sub goal. If I were planning to go beyond 1000 feet, I would be looking to Nuytco, SeaMagine or Triton but of course cost is then a major issue again. Does anyone know about how much Karl spent building Idabel? ~ Douglas S. </div>
</div></div><div class="yiv5271524616gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv5271524616gmail_quote"><div class="yiv5271524616">On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 7:48 PM, swaters <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com">swaters@waters-ks.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none">
</div><blockquote class="yiv5271524616gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid;"><div><div class="yiv5271524616"><div>Any idea as to the cost of pressure testing that kind of pressure? </div><div>Also, I am not a engineer, but am fairly good at designing things in my head. If I designed this in CAD, does psubs have a good way of sharing CAD files for who ever would like too look at my designs and bounce ideas off of? </div>
<div>I would love for this project to be a way for psubs to increase overall psubs knowledge of cutting edge and affordable solutions for things like sonar and manipulator arms and things.</div></div><div class="yiv5271524616"><div><div>
Thanks,</div>
<div>Scott Waters</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><div style="color: rgb(87, 87, 87); font-size: 75%;">Sent from my U.S. Cellular© Smartphone</div></div> <br clear="none"></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv5271524616">
Vance Bradley <<a href="mailto:VBra676539@AOL.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:VBra676539@AOL.com">VBra676539@AOL.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
<div>Maryland and California (Navy) and Texas (southwest research).</div><div>Vance<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br clear="none">On Apr 8, 2014, at 7:14 PM, swaters <<a href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com">swaters@waters-ks.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
<br clear="none"></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="yiv5271524616"><div>So is the design of crush depth of 1750m and test to 1250m the idea? Next question is where can you find a pressure chamber that has 1670psi capability?</div>
</div><div class="yiv5271524616"><div>Thanks,</div><div>
Scott Waters</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><div style="color: rgb(87, 87, 87); font-size: 75%;">Sent from my U.S. Cellular© Smartphone</div></div> <br clear="none"></div>Alan James <<a href="mailto:alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com">alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">
<div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;"><div class="yiv5271524616"><div><span>Scott,</span></div><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; font-size: 18.88px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">
<span>in general people design their boats with a crush depth of</span></div><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; font-size: 18.88px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">
<span>twice their operating depth, then test them to 1.25 or 1.5 x</span></div><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; font-size: 18.88px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">
<span>there proposed maximum operating depth.</span></div></div><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; font-size: 18.88px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">
<span>So design to 2000 meters & test it to 1250 meters.</span></div><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; font-size: 18.88px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">
<span>Alan</span></div><div><br clear="none"></div> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, April 8, 2014 4:29 PM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [PSUBS-MAILIST] New submarine<br clear="none"> </font> </div></div> <div><br clear="none"><div><div><div class="yiv5271524616">
<div>I am playing with the idea of building another submarine. Here is what I am thinking.</div>
<div>1) This project needs to be as challenging as the same amount of difficulty as it was to build my first submarine</div><div>2) I want to have lots of bottom time with my K-350 to learn what needs to be improved on in design and ability.</div>
<div>3) Learn to use CAD </div><div>4) Project will take 5-7 years to complete</div><div><br clear="none"></div></div><div class="yiv5271524616"><div>My initial goals are</div><div>1) Hold 3 people</div><div>2) Weigh 10,500lbs or less</div><div>3) Depth of 3,300 feet (1000m)</div>
</div><div>4)
Have a very effective range of abilities such as a good manipulator arm and tooling</div><div class="yiv5271524616"><div>5) Have a wide veiwing maybe a acylic dome front</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div>Ok, shoot holes in the ideas. What will be the main challenges to overcome? What complications am I not considering?</div>
<div><br clear="none"></div></div><div class="yiv5271524616"><div>Thanks,</div><div>Scott Waters</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><div style="color: rgb(87, 87, 87); font-size: 75%;">Sent from my U.S. Cellular© Smartphone</div>
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