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<div>Just remember with these sonars the downward imaging gets less and less sharp the further down you go. After about 150' it really falls off and the image is super small. The sonar beam is a cone shape (I believe like 9 degrees on the downward imagine part). The only way I know of to get good side imaginig from a surface boat in water deeper than 150' is a tow behind and they start at $10,000. If it is on the sub, it is a cheap way to get good imaging. If you wanna get really awesome imaging, get a blue veiw. But they start at $30,000.</div>
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<div><span>Hi Scott,</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Saturday, March 29, 2014 12:25:39 PM, swaters <<a href="mailto:swaters@waters-ks.com">swaters@waters-ks.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>I would personally stay away from Lowrance. For them to do side scan imaging, you have to buy another modual and it is bulky. The humminbird is all slef contained. I honestly wanted the Lowrance at first cause I liked the sound of the name better, haha, kinda dumb reason, but when I started to research them, I decided on humminbird. I personally chose the 898c because of it's capabilities. I would of liked to go to the
1000 series, but the screen is just to big for the inside of my sub. I believe euronaut also has a humminbird 898c as well. If you decide to go that route, be sure you get the right subcon connector. You have to remember the GPS module has to be ran outside the sub as well and must be epoxy filled. I can help you through all that if you need. I made alot of mistakes connecting data wires that could be easily avoided.</div>
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<div>Seems like it would be nice to have one of those 70 watt units for the sub !</div>
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<div>There is currently a surface station and a aqua comm which is what I used in my sub for sale for $1500 for the two ($750 each). Most psubs members that have underwater comms have OTS so his would be compatible. Here is a link about the hummin bird 898 and it shows how to read the images you would see. I will post images after I test. it will be fun to see how they compare. </div>
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<div>-------- Original Message --------<br clear="none">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] radio's<br clear="none">From: hank pronk <<a href="mailto:hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca</a>><br clear="none">Date: Fri, March 28, 2014 10:29 am<br clear="none">To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br clear="none"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"><br clear="none">
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<div><span>I would love to see some pictures of the image you get on your sonar. When you start testing could you post some pic's . </span></div>
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<div>Sweet. Good luck! Let me know if I can help on anything. </div>
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<div><span>Thanks' Scott,</span></div>
<div><span>I have sent out a couple of inquires and I will see what comes back.</span></div>
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<div>Here is the link Hank. Great deals on underwater comms. This is where I got mine for my sub and surface unit.</div>
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<div>-------- Original Message --------<br clear="none">Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] radio's<br clear="none">From: hank pronk <<a href="mailto:hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca</a>><br clear="none">Date: Fri, March 28, 2014 8:46 am<br clear="none">To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion<br clear="none"><<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none"><br clear="none">
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<div><span>I agree, but I am having a hard time finding anything on line. The tec did say my radio's are better than today's radio's. He was probably giving me a sales job though.</span></div>
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<div><span>I found some info on the radio's, seems they are the original radio's. Manufactured by EDO Corporation. They were refurbished in 1992</span></div>
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<div><span>I got the quote from a electronic repair shop. The radio's are not OTS, I can not remember the name off hand and all the manuals etc are at their shop now. The radio's are made for submarines, they are not diver radio's. The radio's are rack mount and they were even labeled with Nekton Gamma on them.</span></div>
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<div><span>The radio's do not work completely now. The pinger works and one frequency works only. They are cleaning up the corrosion and re-sealing them and they claim the radio's will work perfect as new.</span></div>
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<div>I need radio advice. My technician tells me, he can rebuild my radio's to as new condition for 2,000 dollars. He has checked them out and says they are very good radio's and the transducers are perfect. The radio's have a 1,000 foot depth rating and 6 km range according to the manual. I am assuming this is much better than buying new radio's. I have no idea what these are worth and I want to make sure I am not fixing radio's that I can replace for the same money. </div>
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