<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Brian,</span></div><div><span>So far, you won't be keeping your sub in a marina requiring insurance. Maybe if you call it a boat not a sub.</span></div><div><span>Hank</span></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <br> <br> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Thursday, March 27, 2014 5:59:02 PM, Brian Cox <brian@ojaivalleybeefarm.com> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv0888741006"><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div>What about if you want to keep
your sub in a slip in a marina, most of the marinas require insurance for your boat.</div><div> </div><div>Brian<br><br>--- MerlinSub@t-online.de wrote:<br><br>From: "Carsten Standfuß " <MerlinSub@t-online.de><br>To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <personal_submersibles@psubs.org><br>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] insurance<br>Date: 27 Mar 2014 22:48 GMT<br><br>
<font face="Courier New" size="2">Thats right. If you make bad saftey
precautions or a mistake.. <br><br>But if you make no mistake and he
just wash
overboard and battered in pieces by the propeller<br></font>- and later
his
lawer comes with funny arguments, like "there is no railing all
around on
your submarine and my client was not aware of it." <br><br>In that
case you
have a nice paper that your guest have notice that.. <br>If somebody not
sign
this paper he will not tavel with the submarine.. <br><br>groet
Carsten<br><br>
<br>"Emile van Essen" <emile@airesearch.nl> schrieb:
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<div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;">But anyway passenger have to sign a paper that
a submarine is a potential dangerous machine and they take the trip on
there
own risk.</span></font></div></div>
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</div><div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;">Doing this makes no sense. If a accident is related to
bad safety precautions or a big mistake by the pilot, you have a
problem
anyway..</span></font>
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</div><div><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt;">Regards, Emile</span></font>
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</div><div><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 10pt; font-weight: bold;">Van:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 10pt;">
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Namens </span></b>"Carsten Standfuß "<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Verzonden:</span></b> donderdag 27 maart 2014
18:11<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Aan:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General
Discussion<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Onderwerp:</span></b> Re:
[PSUBS-MAILIST]
insurance</span></font><div></div>
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</div><div><font face="Courier New" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt;">All SL classe subs have a insurance. <br>
<br>
Nessesary if you try to carry passengers for money. <br>
<br>
The lawer of the children of a 90 years old passenger with a deadly
heardattack
on his birthday travel<br>
in your sub will strip you to nothing if you have no insurance. <br>
<br>
Euronaut has no class but a P&I insurance due to the owners
good
network in the shipbuilding industry. <br>
And maybe due to the fact that the owner work as naval architect and
time to
time for a classification society..<br>
</span></font>But anyway passenger have to sign a paper that a submarine
is a
potential dangerous machine and they take the trip on there own risk.
<br>
<br>
But why you want to insure? The insurance will only cover the damage the
sub do
to others. <br>
I dont think that you sub will do major damage to others. Such a
minimum
insurance will cost you about 4000-5000 USD a year. <br>
A full insurance in all directions will cost you maybe 10 times more.
<br>
<br>
And if teh sub sinks it will be much cheaper if you raise it by
yourself.
Just in case you survife.. <br>
<br>
For transport on a road you can insure the boat just as cargo or
Motorboat. <br>
The insurance will not see a special risk in that. And for storage it
should be
the same. <br>
<br>
vbr Carsten<br>
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"hank pronk" <hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca> schrieb: <div></div>
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</div></div><div style="background: white;"><font color="black" face="Helvetica" size="3"><span style="color: black; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">I
have made an attempt to buy insurance for my sub. I contacted my
insurance broker that I deal with for my business as well as my daughter
who is
an insurance broker. It is not possible unless the sub is
certified. I was only looking for insurance to cover loss during
storage
and during transport. I was only looking for a set amount to
cover
my actual costs. </span></font>
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</div><div style="background: white;"><font color="black" face="Helvetica" size="3"><span style="color: black; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">My
next attempt will be adding cargo insurance through my business and
maybe my
home insurance can be modified.</span></font>
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</div><div style="background: white;"><font color="black" face="Helvetica" size="3"><span style="color: black; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">Does
anyone have insurance on a sub here?</span></font>
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</div><div style="background: white;"><font color="black" face="Helvetica" size="3"><span style="color: black; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12pt;">Hank</span></font>
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