<font color='black' size='3' face='Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif'><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3">In the North Sea, it was cold down there, but the air temps were often colder.</font>
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<div><font size="3">Come to think of it, it's already going to be cold before it
ever goes into the water. The temp sitting on the barge isn't likely to be
much different than it is at 1000 feet deep. Summertime is a different
story. The only other things I can think of that would increase pressure
would be a water leak, an internal air system leak, or the slight compression of
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<div>In a message dated 2/5/2014 11:32:03 P.M. Central Standard Time,
<a href="mailto:vbra676539@aol.com">vbra676539@aol.com</a> writes:</div>
<blockquote style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" color="#000000" size="2" face="Arial"><font color="black" size="3" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3">Let me think. Post testing results: Internal
pressure--as set. Internal temperature after 3 hours in a Canadian lake in
February. Hmm. Best estimate, cold, cold, fricking COLD!!!.</font>
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<div><font size="3">Glad to hear you had an opportunity to drive to Vancouver
and call on Dr. Phil. That's quite a drive, but a bit warmer
there. Is Slocan Lake about six hours drive for you?</font></div>
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<div><font size="3">Do you have any plans for data logging during Gamma's tea
bag test such as internal temp and presure?</font></div>
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<div>In a message dated 2/5/2014 10:09:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, <a title="mailto:alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com" href="mailto:alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com">alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com</a>
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<div><span>Hi Hank,</span></div>
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Alan not Alec. I believe Alec did have some sort of system. He
might</span></div>
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when he wakes up. I think I've heard of a second line being used
to</span></div>
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an air tank valve to blow the tanks. You would need a valve with a
handle</span></div>
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the air line.</span></div>
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would't want to be on top of the sub when it hit the surface.</span></div>
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thought is that if you used the electronic system you could have
an </span></div>
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water sensor that additionally operated the system in case there
was </span></div>
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substantial leak.</span></div>
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<div><span>Thank you, that is fantastic, exactly what I need. It is
frightening spending so much time and money and letting it just sink away on
a line. I will give you a call tomorrow after supper your
time.</span></div>
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<div><span>Hank,</span></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue,; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)"><span>I'm
jealous of your visit to Nuytco, well done.</span></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue,; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)"><span>I have a
few random ideas of what you could do for your back up system;</span></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue,; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)"><span>If you had
solenoid valves on the air lines to your ballast tanks, then it
would</span></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue,; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)"><span>be very
easy to do. But that might cost you a few hundred & may be a
problem</span></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue,; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)"><span>adding in
retrospectively. A cheaper alternative may be buying 2 electric car door
openers</span></div>
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<div style="FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue,; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)"><span><a title="http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Heavy-Duty-Power-Door-Lock-Actuator-Motor-12-volt-For-Car-Door-Locks-Pair-/181311393943" target="_blank" href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Heavy-Duty-Power-Door-Lock-Actuator-Motor-12-volt-For-Car-Door-Locks-Pair-/181311393943" shape="rect" rel="nofollow">http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Heavy-Duty-Power-Door-Lock-Actuator-Motor-12-volt-For-Car-Door-Locks-Pair-/181311393943</a><br clear="none"></span></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue,; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)"><span>& fit
them so they can open the ballast valves slightly. If they aren't gutsy
enough you could buy a couple of cheap linear actuators.Then buy a cheap
electronic 12V DC timer. Like this one.</span></div>
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<div style="FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue,; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)">& wire it
up. Make sure it's moisture proofed. Alternatively I don't see why you
couldn't use a mains power timer if you have one.</div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue,; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)">I take no
responsibility if Gamma is lost.</div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: HelveticaNeue,; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)">Regards
Alan</div>
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<div>While I wait for warmer weather to deep test my Gamma sub, I decided to
drive out to Vancouver and visit Dr Nuytten and see all the wonderful
subs. Dr Nuytten was kind enough to spend the better part of the
morning showing me DW's and some mature subs as well. I had a great
time listening to fascinating stories and seeing how the big boys do
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<div>Thank you Dr Nuytten.</div>
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<div>I plan to haul my barge to Slocan lake where the water depth is 970
feet in a week or so. I will lower Gamma with a steel cable and
retrieve it 1hr later. I would like a back up, some way for a timer to
tell Gamma it is time to come home. Any ideas would help, I have never
tried putting a backup together.</div>
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