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size=2>Hmm.. with the Queen Mary II not more
than 48 hours.. </font> ;-)<BR>
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class="Apple-style-span" size="3">I ordered the book but it has to come
from the UK. Might take a month, so it'll be awhile before I can give a
book report.</font>
<div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3">Vance<br>
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>-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Joe Perkel <josephperkel@yahoo.com><br>
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Sent: Fri, Jan 31, 2014 3:26 pm<br>
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] MIdget subs at D-day<br>
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<div>Finding X-5 from "Operation Source" would make give you and your
operation much notoriety.</div>
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<div>Joe <br>
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On Jan 31, 2014, at 12:34 PM, " " <<A
href="mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de">MerlinSub@t-online.de</a>>
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<font face="Courier New" size="2"> </font> <a target="_blank"
href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tip-Spear-Submarines-Pamela-Mitchell/dp/1872955142">http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tip-Spear-Submarines-Pamela-Mitchell/dp/1872955142</a><br>
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I
can recommed this book.<br>
Is written by Pamela, the daughter of the
yard owner
which developand build the subs. <br>
We exchange some letters many
years
ago to try to figure out the missing fates. <br>
A lot of
inside
storys from first hand. <br>
<br>
vbr Carsten
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<div><span>Jim,</span></div>
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in a sub on a diet of baked
beans,</span></div>
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tough in those days.</span></div>
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<b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</span></b> [PSUBS-MAILIST]
MIdget subs at D-day<br>
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<div><font size="3">Phil,</font></div>
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<div><font size="3">Your D-day story left me curious to know more;
found this: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank"
href="http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/midget_submarines_d_day.htm">http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/midget_submarines_d_day.htm</a></font></div>
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<div><font size="3">Jim</font></div>
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<div><h1 class="yiv8253397096pageTitle">Midget Submarines and D
Day</h1><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" id="yiv8253397096c3524"></a>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><font face="arial"><font size="3"><font
face="Arial">X-boats midget-submarines were used at <a rel="nofollow"
shape="rect" title="Opens internal link in current window"
target="_blank"
href="http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/d-day_index.htm">D-Day</a>
by
the British to ensure that their landings went well. The crews of the
X-boats were made up of <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" title="Opens
internal link in current window" target="_blank"
href="http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/special_forces_in_world_war_two.htm">commandos</a>
from the elite Combined Operations Pilotage and Reconnaissance Parties,
formed on the orders of <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" title="Opens
internal link in current window" target="_blank"
href="http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/lord_louis_mountbatten.htm">Lord
Louis</a> <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" title="Opens internal link in
current window" target="_blank"
href="http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/lord_louis_mountbatten.htm">Mountbatten</a>.
After the disaster that befell the Allies at <a rel="nofollow"
shape="rect" title="Opens internal link in current window"
target="_blank"
href="http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/dieppe_1942.htm">Dieppe</a>,
everything was done to ensure success on June 6<sup>th</sup> <a
rel="nofollow" shape="rect" title="Opens internal link in current
window" target="_blank"
href="http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/1944_world_war_two.htm">1944</a>.</font></font>
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<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><font face="arial"></font> </div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><font face="arial"><font size="3"><font
face="Arial">Five days before June 5<sup>th</sup> the original date
for D-Day two X-boats sailed from Hayling Island, Hampshire. Each
midget submarine had a crew of five men on board. It would be their
task
to guide in the British landing craft at <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
title="Opens internal link in current window" target="_blank"
href="http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/sword_beach.htm">Sword
Beach</a>. The fear was that the landing craft might drift towards
rocks
that skirted the specific landing points at Sword and it was the task
on
the submarine crews to ensure the landing craft stayed on
course.</font></font> </font></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><font face="arial"></font> </div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><font face="arial"><font size="3"><font
face="Arial">The space in each of the X-boats was extremely limited.
Each submarine was just 51 feet in length and a maximum of 6 feet in
width. The crew could not stand up once inside the X-boats. The crews
took it in turns to have a four-hour sleep in the battery compartment
of
the X-boats and their diet was mainly tea and baked beans.
</font></font> </font></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><font face="arial"></font> </div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><font face="arial"><font size="3"><font
face="Arial">Once the crews had sailed to the beaches they simply had
to
lay in wait and vitally, ensure that they were not spotted by the
Germans. If one had been spotted, it is quite possible that the game
would have been up in terms of a surprise landing even if <a
rel="nofollow" shape="rect" title="Opens internal link in current
window" target="_blank"
href="http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/adolf_hitler.htm">Hitler</a>
was convinced that the Allies would land in the Pays de Calais. The
expertise of the crews was such that they watched unnoticed via
periscope German soldiers playing football on Sword Beach just one day
before the planned landings.</font></font> </font></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><font face="arial"></font> </div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><font face="arial"><font size="3"><font
face="Arial">However, both submarines had to surface at 22.00 to listen
to the BBC news broadcast at that time. While they were submerged
neither crew could hear the news. It was vital that they did as a
secret
message was going to be broadcast on one of the bulletins that would
tell them that the landings were on and that they had to be ready to do
what was required of them. </font></font> </font></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><font face="arial"></font> </div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><font face="arial"><font size="3"><font
face="Arial">During one of these broadcasts, the crews learnt that the
landings were going to be delayed by a day. This put them in a quandary
as they did not know if they had enough oxygen on board to last them.
When it was felt possible to do so, the crews would surface to allow
the
men to have a quick walk about on deck and to take in some fresh
air.<span> </span></font></font> </font></div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><font face="arial"></font> </div>
<div style="MARGIN: 0px"><font face="arial"><font size="3"><font
face="Arial">The 22.00 BBC news on June 5<sup>th</sup> informed both
crews via a secret message that D-Day was about to start. They now knew
that they had to be on duty at 04.00 on June 6<sup>th</sup>. They first
knew the landings had started when a huge fleet of bombers flew above
them to bomb German positions along the coastline. The two crews knew
that it would not be much longer before the landing crafts arrived and
it would their task to ensure they sailed on the right course to Sword
Beach. The landing craft homed in on the lights that came from the two
X-boats. Casualties at Sword Beach were minimal when the sheer
magnitude
of the raid is taken into account. </font></font></font></div>
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<div>Jon . . ahem, ahem, (jes clearin ma throat) Nuytco has<font
color="#000000"> always</font> been at the UI submersible track year
after year.
This year well be talking about our 2013 work surveying and videoing
the WW2
Normandy Invasion fleet, most of which is still underwater. This was
for
History
Channel and will air this year the 70th anniversary of Juneau,Omaha,
Sword,
etc. The shots of the Sherman tanks laying higgeldy piggeldy (sp?) all
over the
bottom are incredible. Jeff Heaton, Nuytcos senior ops manager had the
unusual
pleasure of using Aquarius to take down a 92 year old survivor of
the
invasion who was last there in 1944 aboard a small submarine, two days
before
the invasion - to set lighting on the bottom to guide in the troop
carriers (the
original schedule called for a night landing) the story of he and his
crew
lying doggo on the bottom for nearly two days offshore of the landing
site as
weather changes kept re-arranging the schedule specially as they had
to
surface at night to get communication on the changing plans
well, its
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<div><b>From:</b> <A title=jonw@psubs.org href="mailto:jonw@psubs.org"
shape=rect rel=nofollow>Jon Wallace</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:13 PM</div>
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I think others will agree, the majority of
attendees are there for ROV related sessions. I have only ever
attended
the manned vehicle sessions and never experienced an issue of not
having
a
seat. The convention center and session rooms are not
small...we're not
talking PSUBS size event here. The technical session rooms have
seats
for...I'm guessing...200 people? And there is plenty of "standing
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ABS reps usually attend because they
have discussions about proposed rule changes...can't recall the
gentleman's name
at the moment. I don't think I've seen a sub manufacturer other
than Will
Kohnen (seamagine) whom is the coordinator of the manned vehicle
sessions at the
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You'll have a good time there. It's worth the trip and
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<div>I'm looking at going to the U.I. New Orleans convention in
10
days
time, & in</div>
<div>particular attending the underwater vehicle technical
sessions.</div>
<div>The registration fee entitles you to attend the technical
sessions,
so it
seems the numbers</div>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">last year so I'm wondering whether</span></div>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I run the risk of missing out through
lack of seats in
the session rooms. </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Any
experience
with
this </span></div>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">from others who have attended these
sessions? Also are
ABS or submersible manufacturers </span></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: helveticaneue,; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)"><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">represented there?</span></div>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Have tried calling U.I. a couple of
times but haven't
been lucky.</span></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: helveticaneue,; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)"><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Thanks for the heads up on the conference
Douglas.</span></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: helveticaneue,; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)"><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hank, from G.L. rules...</span><span
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The CO2
pressure </span><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">needs to be kept below
0.01 bar</span></div>
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