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<div>Hank,</div>
<div>I was under the impression that pneumatics loose their punch with depth and 
that is why people usually go with hydraulics? </div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca" href="mailto:hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca">hank pronk</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 23, 2014 2:43 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="personal_submersibles@psubs.org" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">Personal Submersibles General 
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] I am not a dork</div></div></div></div>
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<div><span>Rick,</span></div>
<div><span>The cylinders are pneumatic but you can use hydraulic if they use an 
o-ring for the shaft seal.  </span></div>
<div><span>Hank  </span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2">On Thursday, January 23, 2014 5:36:58 PM, 
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<div>Hank,</div>
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<div>Do you have any data on the rams that you have and they are hydraulic and 
not pneumatic correct?</div>
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca" href="mailto:hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca">hank pronk</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 23, 2014 2:12 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="personal_submersibles@psubs.org" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">Personal 
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<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] I am not a dork</div></div></div></div>
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<div><span>Rick,</span></div>
<div><span>The nice thing about a manipulator for a sub is, you want it to be 
slow and slow is cheap.  Go with big cylinders and a small pump with a 
restrictor.  It will be so easy to operate it you won't believe 
it.</span></div>
<div><span>Hank</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2">On Thursday, January 23, 2014 4:57:21 PM, 
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<div>Most of what I plan to use the arm for is for gathering all the gold 
doubloons that fell out of Captain Cooks pockets while he was here in Kealakekua 
bay wind surfing, but I would settle for an old bottle or two off his ship if I 
had to. I was more wondering if I came across an abandoned small anchor or 
something else that weighed around 50 Lb.'s or so if it would up end the boat 
much? I would rather not use the forward MBT to keep the trim because of having 
to dump air at the proper rate while ascending. Tagging it with a line and 
letting the guys in the support boat lift it also sounds good but I would have 
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<div><b>From:</b> <a title="Vbra676539@AOL.com" href="mailto:Vbra676539@AOL.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Vbra676539@AOL.com">Vance 
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:20 AM</div>
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<div>Manips are for manipulating, not lifting. Most light arms can do 50-60#. 
for lifting you could hook on a (releasable) cables and lift with the MBTs. 
Better yet, take a line down to attach and let your surface crew haul away, or 
do what we fit at HBOI and in the North Sea. Take a lift bag down rolled into a 
PVC tube with a blow and go hose from your air banks. Hook up, back away to 
deploy the bag, inflate and run away (to get out from under the load)</div>
<div>Vance<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br clear="none">On Jan 23, 2014, at 2:27 PM, "Land N Sea" <<a href="mailto:landnsea1@hawaiiantel.net" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:landnsea1@hawaiiantel.net">landnsea1@hawaiiantel.net</a>> 
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  <div>I am planning on fabricating my own manipulator for my K-350 that will be 
  hydraulic and was wondering if anybody that had experience using one on a boat 
  that size would be able to let me know about how much an arm would be able to 
  pick fully extended and if a VBT up forward was mandatory to keep the 
  trim.</div>
  <div>I am planning on making the manipulator out of two sections, each about 
  2’ long giving me a 4’ reach fully extended which will get me out just past my 
  forward MBT. </div>
  <div>I realize that the lifting capacity is based on a number of things like 
  the rated capacity of the rams and where they are attached to the arms so if 
  you know that as well that would be great. It’s freezing here on the big 
  Island! I woke up to a chilling 54 degrees and had to put on a sweat shirt 
  just to walk up to my shop.<wlEmoticon-sadsmile[1].png></div>
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  <div><b>From:</b> <a title="hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca" href="mailto:hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca">hank pronk</a> </div>
  <div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:43 PM</div>
  <div><b>To:</b> <a title="personal_submersibles@psubs.org" href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">Personal 
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  <div><span>Alan,</span></div>
  <div><span>Yes I could spring load it, It does take some effort to pull the 
  fingers open.  The oil has to travel through a pretty small line and all 
  I have here is a pail of 5/30 and that is a bit heavy.  I don't heat my 
  shop at night so it gets chilly by morning.</span></div>
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  <div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2">On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 4:34:35 
  PM, Alan James <<a href="mailto:alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com">alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com</a>> 
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  <div><span>Hank,</span></div>
  <div style="font-family: helveticaneue,; font-size: 13px;"><span>can you mount 
  a wedge somewhere so you can push the manipulator grippers up 
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  them open? Or have a compression spring temporarily mounted across the 
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  You could hang some plastic fish from the garage roof  to add a bit of 
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  or white with them. Except for the ones with mad manibubators in the shop out 
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  Message-----<br clear="none">From: hank pronk <<a href="mailto:hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca">hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca</a>><br clear="none">To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<a href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</a>><br clear="none">Sent: Wed, Jan 22, 2014 4:37 pm<br clear="none">Subject: Re: 
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  <div><span>The only problem is, Gamma's manipulator has a power only to close 
  gripper.  The gripper opens with outside water pressure pushing against 
  it.  So I have to jump out of the sub to open the gripper each 
  time.  I was trying to explain this to my wife and she replied "can't you 
  just put it in a pail of water"  I am still laughing inside of coarse 
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  <div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2">On Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:03:46 
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  <div class="yiv4455425875y_msg_container">On 1/22/2014 2:57 PM, Alec Smyth 
  wrote:<br clear="none">> That is indeed a very necessary practice, but for it 
  to work properly <br clear="none">> you also have to make loud "AOUUUUUGAH" 
  klaxon sounds every so often, <br clear="none">> to indicate diving and 
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