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<div><font size="3">Good point. One possible reason on that particular model at least is that it's rated for less depth that the DW. Light weight is a big consideration for me, and my operating depth is just 300 feet. I'll definitely want to look at what Dr. Phil has done before I get down the road on manipulators.</font></div>
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<div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="3">I've seen that presentation before. The arms were developed for use with all electric ROVs. I've never used them, but they look nice, which often translates to expensive. I'm thinking if there was any benefit in them for a battery powered vehicle, Phil Nuytten would have been on them like paint on a park bench. And he isn't. Must be a reason.</font></div>
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<div><font size="3">Moving the thread title back to Manipulators: My intention has been to buy or build an all-electric manipulator instead of hydraulic or pneumatic. Do you have any thoughts on that? Here's one I found online last year:</font></div>
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<div>I was under the impression that pneumatics loose their punch with depth and
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<div><span>Rick,</span></div>
<div><span>The cylinders are pneumatic but you can use hydraulic if they use an
o-ring for the shaft seal. </span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font face="Arial" size="2">On Thursday, January 23, 2014 5:36:58 PM,
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<div>Do you have any data on the rams that you have and they are hydraulic and
not pneumatic correct?</div>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 23, 2014 2:12 PM</div>
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<div><span>Rick,</span></div>
<div><span>The nice thing about a manipulator for a sub is, you want it to be
slow and slow is cheap. Go with big cylinders and a small pump with a
restrictor. It will be so easy to operate it you won't believe
it.</span></div>
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<div>Most of what I plan to use the arm for is for gathering all the gold
doubloons that fell out of Captain Cooks pockets while he was here in Kealakekua
bay wind surfing, but I would settle for an old bottle or two off his ship if I
had to. I was more wondering if I came across an abandoned small anchor or
something else that weighed around 50 Lb.'s or so if it would up end the boat
much? I would rather not use the forward MBT to keep the trim because of having
to dump air at the proper rate while ascending. Tagging it with a line and
letting the guys in the support boat lift it also sounds good but I would have
to master the manip technique. </div>
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Bradley</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:20 AM</div>
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<div>Manips are for manipulating, not lifting. Most light arms can do 50-60#.
for lifting you could hook on a (releasable) cables and lift with the MBTs.
Better yet, take a line down to attach and let your surface crew haul away, or
do what we fit at HBOI and in the North Sea. Take a lift bag down rolled into a
PVC tube with a blow and go hose from your air banks. Hook up, back away to
deploy the bag, inflate and run away (to get out from under the load)</div>
<div>Vance<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from my iPhone</div>
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<div>I am planning on fabricating my own manipulator for my K-350 that will be
hydraulic and was wondering if anybody that had experience using one on a boat
that size would be able to let me know about how much an arm would be able to
pick fully extended and if a VBT up forward was mandatory to keep the
trim.</div>
<div>I am planning on making the manipulator out of two sections, each about
2’ long giving me a 4’ reach fully extended which will get me out just past my
forward MBT. </div>
<div>I realize that the lifting capacity is based on a number of things like
the rated capacity of the rams and where they are attached to the arms so if
you know that as well that would be great. It’s freezing here on the big
Island! I woke up to a chilling 54 degrees and had to put on a sweat shirt
just to walk up to my shop.<wlEmoticon-sadsmile[1].png></div>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 22, 2014 1:43 PM</div>
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<div><span>Alan,</span></div>
<div><span>Yes I could spring load it, It does take some effort to pull the
fingers open. The oil has to travel through a pretty small line and all
I have here is a pail of 5/30 and that is a bit heavy. I don't heat my
shop at night so it gets chilly by morning.</span></div>
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<div><span>Hank,</span></div>
<div style="font-family: helveticaneue,; font-size: 13px;"><span>can you mount
a wedge somewhere so you can push the manipulator grippers up
against</span></div>
<div style="font-family: helveticaneue,; font-size: 13px;"><span>it to wedge
them open? Or have a compression spring temporarily mounted across the
grippers?</span></div>
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You could hang some plastic fish from the garage roof to add a bit of
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<div><span>The only problem is, Gamma's manipulator has a power only to close
gripper. The gripper opens with outside water pressure pushing against
it. So I have to jump out of the sub to open the gripper each
time. I was trying to explain this to my wife and she replied "can't you
just put it in a pail of water" I am still laughing inside of coarse
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