<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>I am shocked that the motors do not need to be jettisonable </span></div><div><span>Hank</span></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <br> <br> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Monday, January 20, 2014 11:55:47 AM, Alan James <alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv3180630537"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255);"><div><span>Hi Joe,</span></div><div style='color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;'><span>it could be. Hopefully when I read through ABS it will shed some light on areas of uncertainty in G.L..</span></div><div style='color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;'>At the moment I intend to have two horizontal thrusters, two rotating vertical thrusters & no rudder.</div><div style='color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;'>This will mean I would have to have a malfunction on two motors on the same side to loose steering.</div><div
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Tuesday, January 21, 2014 5:55 AM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] G.L. Propulsion & Manoeuvring Equipment<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div class="yiv3180630537y_msg_container"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv3180630537"><div><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" rowspan="1" colspan="1">Alan,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I'm going to assume that auxiliary steering means a secondary means of moving the primary surface. As in a sailboat using a tiller as backup for an inop pedestal.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Joe <a href="http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/?.src=iOS" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" shape="rect"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad</a></td></tr></tbody></table> <div class="yiv3180630537yqt8441750789" id="yiv3180630537yqt47782"><div id="yiv3180630537_origMsg_">
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where</span></div><div style='color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;'><span>they have the American Bureau of Shipping as the main submersible classifyer.</span></div><div style='color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; font-size: 13px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;'><span>Alan</span></div><div><br clear="none"></div> <div style='font-family: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;'> <div style='font-family: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;'> <div class="yiv3180630537yqt5738175238" id="yiv3180630537yqt36116"><div dir="ltr"> <div class="hr" style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid
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<personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, January 20, 2014 9:05 PM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] G.L. Propulsion & Manoeuvring Equipment<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div class="yiv3180630537y_msg_container"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv3180630537"><div><div dir="ltr">sorry, have to ask.. G.L rules?</div><div class="yiv3180630537gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div class="yiv3180630537gmail_quote">2014/1/20 Alan James <span dir="ltr"><<a href="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect">alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com</a>></span><br clear="none">
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This is section 10 of 15. We are slowly getting there.</div><div><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> In addition to the following rules, the propulsion & steering systems are subject to G.L. rules for</span></div><div>machinery installations & the rudders to G.L. rules on hull structures.</div>
<div> The motors are to be designed to be used continuously.</div><div> Propellers need shielding.</div><div> Electronic motor controllers shouldn't fail so the motor continues running, & the motors need to </div>
<div>be capable of manual control.</div><div> The propulsion equipment needs to be fitted with indicators & alarms to guarantee safe operation.</div><div> Effective reverse thrust for braking has to
be provided.</div><div> The stress in the rudder stock can't exceed .5 of the yield stress.</div><div> Independent submersibles (operated off shore without support ship), need to be equipped with</div><div>auxiliary steering gear (bit foggy about what this means)</div>
<div> The steering gear needs to be able to move the rudder from 35 degrees one side to 30 degrees the other</div><div>within 28 seconds (how's that for nit picking)</div><div> If horizontal rudders are a necessity on your sub, they need to have an alternative power supply that can</div>
<div>be operated from the control stand. The "slewing" movements of motors used for maneuvering are also subject</div><div>to the above requirement.</div><div> There needs to be rudder position indicators & indicators to signal any failure of the steering gear.</div>
<div> There are rules for dynamic positioning that are required for
some operations, but probably don't concern us</div><div>& their equipment is examined on a case by case basis.</div><div>Regards Alan</div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div> </div><div><br clear="none"></div><div> </div><div>
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