<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><div><span></span></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> Jim,</div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;">I don't know quite yet, I just know I would want it clean and as low profile as possible. I'm toying with two separate designs, one that incorporates significant exostructure, the other less so. The fleet boat manual shows how the vents were routed high up into and hidden within the casing, something I could consider for saddle MBT's on an Alvin Jr type of configuration. For a reduced scale Seehund replica, (the other design), a flush mount is more of a consideration. At first glance, the extra reserve buoyancy makes the Alvin Jr. design a better choice for my conditions,
the Seehund is really just an enjoyable distraction.</div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;">Good points both ref reliability and residual air allowances. I can pinpoint such volumes quite accurately in the software. I just love CAD, everyone from the Wright Brothers to John Holland and everyone in between would say we have it too easy now!</div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;">Joe<br> <br> </div><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; display: block;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Sunday, December 8, 2013 4:00 PM, "jimtoddpsub@aol.com" <jimtoddpsub@aol.com>
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<div><font size="3">Minimizing residual air in an MBT would be a consideration for me, but it would be the last consideration after first determining the best valve design for function, controlability, durability, and maintenance. At that point you can set the air vent as close to the top of the tank as possible and allow for any residual air in your design calculations. I expect the size of the bubble will be minimal. In your design, how much of a consideration is the amount the valve assembly projects above the top of the tank?</font></div>
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That's similar to a Kingston isn't it? That shape would assure complete venting, one would have to be assured of fail safe reliability in whatever was used. I would like a normally closed fail safe mode in whatever style best assures sealing.<br clear="none">
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<div>Hi Joe,</div>
<div>While thinking about the ballast valve, it occurred to me that</div>
<div>the drain pop up plugs found in modern bathrooms, are very</div>
<div>similar to what we want.</div>
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<div>They would need to work upside down for our application, so they would be flush on the</div>
<div>inside of the ballast tank (eliminating an air trap) but extend a bit above the ballast tank.</div>
<div>Some models look like you could just stick an air line straight on to them, & with a spring </div>
<div>In them, they would work.</div>
<div>There may be some model that is ideal.</div>
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<div><font face="Calibri" size="3">I need a little help understanding the installation of
remotely operated pneumatic valves in soft tanks. I’ve been looking at various
products on the Net, and from what I see, there doesn’t seem to be an off the
shelf remotely operated valve that would install flush and fully vent the tank.
What I’m looking for is a flush mount and a clean installation which eliminates
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