<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Joe,</span></div><div><span>I have a similar plan, I hope to take a gas powered concrete saw that I already have, and mount a 24v alternator to it.</span></div><div><span>The nice thing about this engine is, it is 2stroke and it has a belt drive clutch on it already. It is basically a big chainsaw engine made by Huscavarna. The idea is it will fit in a 5 gal pail with a sealed lid stowed in the sub. I will make a mount on the deck of the sub to clamp it in. I should be able to make 60a at 24v with it. I am just not jumping into this until I am sure I need it. With 8 agm golf cart batteries I think I will have a 14mile range?</span></div><div><span>Hank</span></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <br> <br>
<div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Thursday, November 28, 2013 8:09:36 PM, Alan James <alanlindsayjames@yahoo.com> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv1710818928"><div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div><span>Hi Joe,</span></div><div style='color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; font-size: 18.88px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;'><span>if you are meaning that your generator is removed for the dive & left</span></div><div
style='color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; font-size: 18.88px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;'><span>floating on the surface, then wouldn't it be easier & more economical</span></div><div style='color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; font-size: 18.88px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;'><span>to have a small inflatable with an outboard motor ( which is designed for </span></div><div style='color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; font-size: 18.88px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;'><span>the environment), to tow the sub.</span></div><div style='color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; font-size:
18.88px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;'><span>Or a straight outboard motor instead of a generator on the sub.</span></div><div style='color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; font-size: 18.88px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;'><span>Could be hard going removing a generator or
motor & attaching again</span></div><div style='color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; font-size: 18.88px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;'><span>in poor conditions.</span></div><div style='color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; font-size: 18.88px; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;'><span>Alan</span></div><div><br clear="none"></div> <div style='font-family: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;'> <div style='font-family: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;'> <div class="yiv1710818928yqt7663737837" id="yiv1710818928yqt90040"><div dir="ltr"> <div class="hr" style="margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); border-image:
none; height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" contenteditable="false" readonly="true"></div> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Joe Perkel <josephperkel@yahoo.com><br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Personal Submersibles General Discussion <personal_submersibles@psubs.org> <br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, November 28, 2013 3:43 PM<br clear="none"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Surface Transit and power requirements<br clear="none"> </font> </div> <div class="yiv1710818928y_msg_container"><br clear="none"><div id="yiv1710818928"><div><div style='color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);'><div id="yiv1710818928"><div><div style='color: rgb(0, 0,
0); font-family: HelveticaNeue, "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, "Lucida Grande", sans-serif; font-size: 14pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);'><div id="yiv1710818928yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1385606489934_3432"><br id="yiv1710818928yui_3_13_0_ym1_7_1385606489934_4" clear="none"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font></div><div id="yiv1710818928yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1385606489934_3469" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span id="yiv1710818928yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1385606489934_3471" style="line-height: 115%; font-size: 12pt;"><font id="yiv1710818928yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1385606489934_3470" face="Calibri">I have a
question on my mind that I’d like to pose for ideas. It concerns primary
propulsion and the potential use of an electric golf cart motor for long
distance surface transit say in the order of 4 to 5 miles one way.</font></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="line-height: 115%; font-size: 12pt;"></span> </div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="line-height: 115%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Calibri">What I am
thinking is the use of a motor pod ahead of a moveable rudder Delta style. If
one were to use say a 5hp motor where 2-3 hp is required, wouldn’t the larger
motor be less taxed and run cooler, turn a larger prop, <span> </span>be more reliable long term, etc?</font></span></div><div id="yiv1710818928yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1385606489934_3432"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="line-height: 115%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Calibri">As for power
drain, what if a portable Honda generator could ride temporarily on deck behind
the sail in a purpose built ventilated enclosure that is quick release removable.
Could this not be connected to a purpose built electrical thru hull feeding the
main bus?</font></span></div><div id="yiv1710818928yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1385606489934_3432"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="line-height: 115%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Calibri">My goals
here are simple.</font></span></div><div id="yiv1710818928yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1385606489934_3432"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font></div><div id="yiv1710818928yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1385606489934_3459" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in;"><span style="line-height: 115%; font-size: 12pt;"><span><font face="Calibri">1)</font><span style='font: 7pt/normal "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;'> </span></span></span><span id="yiv1710818928yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1385606489934_3458" style="line-height: 115%; font-size: 12pt;"><font id="yiv1710818928yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1385606489934_3457" face="Calibri">The ability to travel to relative distant
dive sites with relative ease</font></span></div><div id="yiv1710818928yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1385606489934_3432"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font></div><div id="yiv1710818928yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1385606489934_3463" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in;"><span style="line-height: 115%; font-size: 12pt;"><span><font face="Calibri">2)</font><span style='font: 7pt/normal "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;'> </span></span></span><span id="yiv1710818928yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1385606489934_3462" style="line-height: 115%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Calibri">Reducing a surface support
requirement to a small semi-rigid inflatable.</font></span></div><div id="yiv1710818928yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1385606489934_3432"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt 0.5in;"><span style="line-height: 115%; font-size: 12pt;"><span><font face="Calibri">3)</font><span style='font: 7pt/normal "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;'> </span></span></span><span style="line-height: 115%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Calibri">The ability to satisfy power drain
and on site recharge capability without rafting at sea.</font></span></div><div id="yiv1710818928yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1385606489934_3432"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt 0.5in;"><span style="line-height: 115%; font-size: 12pt;"><span><font face="Calibri">4)</font><span style='font: 7pt/normal "Times New Roman"; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;'> </span></span></span><span style="line-height: 115%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Calibri">Eliminating the complexity and costs
associated with inboard diesel propulsion.</font></span></div><div id="yiv1710818928yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1385606489934_3432"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="line-height: 115%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Calibri">Ideas /
thoughts?</font></span></div><div id="yiv1710818928yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1385606489934_3432"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
</font></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><span style="line-height: 115%; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Calibri">Joe</font></span></div><div id="yiv1710818928yui_3_13_0_ym1_1_1385606489934_3432"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3">
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