<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:14pt"><div><span>Hi Alec,</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>It would be a matter of putting as much fiber in with the resin that the </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>form would enable. With the kort nozzle, the nozzle shape would allow</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;
background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>for a thick mix, but the struts might not.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>A bit of experimentation would be required.</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>If you back lit the printed shell you may be able to see the resin as it fills it,</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>& be aware of any air voids. Again with the thicker
mixes you could ram rod</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>them down with a flexible piece of plastic rod. </span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>One concern is that epoxy shrinks when setting, (but not as bad polyester)</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18.88888931274414px; font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>& so the shell might need to be filled in a coupe of pours to stop it damaging the outer shell. </span></div><div
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Nozzle<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv0723019974"><div><div>Sorry, the ones I was referring to are LONG fibers mixed with the resin.<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div><br clear="none"></div></div><div class="yiv0723019974yqt4344024398" id="yiv0723019974yqt43866"><div><br clear="none">On Nov 8, 2013, at 4:21 PM, "Smyth, Alec" <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Alec.Smyth@covisint.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:Alec.Smyth@covisint.com">Alec.Smyth@covisint.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<span>these products "milled glass fibers" or "chopped strand glass fibers"</span></div>
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The more you can add, the stronger the product, but also it becomes thicker</div>
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& harder to pour in to small voids. I would be careful of using polyester resin as it</div>
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would probably melt the printed shell.</div>
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You may be able to use a thin flexible plastic rod to stuff courser mixtures down in to</div>
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the shell.</div>
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<div>I will contact a friend who is in the 3d printing business, and try & find out a bit more</div>
<div>about this application & casting materials.</div>
<div>You would need to incorporate risers (tubes) in the design to vent air for the resin </div>
<div>pouring process, & maybe " keys" on the inside of the mould to give the resin more</div>
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<div>Cheers Alan</div>
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<div>I like this idea! I have a printer I built myself so am a little familiar with them. One of the parameters you provide the printers on each job controls the "filling" of the piece. Normally, to save material that is a sort of cross-hatch, and the parameters
control things like the direction and density of that cross-hatch. But the problem with that, for an underwater application, is that the resulting piece is full of air voids. I'd always assumed I would print something like this solid. However, if you print
it hollow and fill it with structural fiberglass, the end result is going to be a lot stronger than if it's solid plastic. In addition, if we printed by parts but filled it up once those parts are assembled, the resin itself could be the "glue" that holds
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<div>I was re thinking your idea of a printed Kort nozzle.</div>
<div>There are printer kits for $900- that would do the job.</div>
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<div>The ABS printer cable I've seen selling for about $1- an ounce.</div>
<div>The $899- version in the above link could possibly be big enough to print</div>
<div>the nozzle in one shot. If not then print it in sections & glue together.</div>
<div>My idea is to print the nozzle hollow with an egg shell wall thickness & fill it with</div>
<div>a fiber reinforced epoxy resin. The resin may need a few pours to allow for contractions</div>
<div>in the resin while setting.</div>
<div>Maybe under $30- in materials.</div>
<div>I am not at the point where I need this & neither are you, but I think this idea still</div>
<div>holds a lot of promise.</div>
<div>Regards Alan</div>
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