<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tr><td valign="top">Alec,<br/><br/>Don't count it out just yet, I went to Gavin via the link you provided and had an epiphany! Note well the inside surface vs the outside surface of that Kort nozzle!!<br/><br/>The model I quoted was solid material!! <br/><br/>I know what I'm doing tonight!<br/><br/>Joe<br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad</td></tr></table> <div id="_origMsg_">
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<td valign="top"><div dir="ltr">Sounds like David has just saved me the work of taking a 101 apart and measuring it, thanks! As for the 101 prop size, it's 11" diameter. Before you go off spending $760 on a nozzle, you might want to look up these folks: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.gavinscooters.com/">http://www.gavinscooters.com/</a> I can't help notice Emile used a Gavin, and it looks like Gavin Scooters, Inc. is right in your neighborhood.<div>
<br clear="none"></div><div>Best,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Alec</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Joe Perkel <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:josephperkel@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">josephperkel@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div>On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 8:03 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:jimtoddpsub@aol.com" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">jimtoddpsub@aol.com</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none">
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<div><font size="3">Since you asked: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cast_urethanes">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cast_urethanes</a></font></div>
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<div><span><span>Ok</span> gentlemen first round of quotes for a Marin 19A Nozzle only in ABS plastic (White) for a 6" prop and not accounting for prop clearance is $760. This is using <span>FDM</span> process.</span></div>
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</div><font face="Arial"><b><span style="FONT-WEIGHT:bold;">From:</span></b> hank <span>pronk</span> <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca</a>><br clear="none">
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:tahoma, new york, times, serif;FONT-SIZE:16px;"><span>I use weights from a weight lifting set, the steel ones. They could go outside on a peg so to speak. The only problem is you want them at the bottom of the sub. That means hauling the sub unless you want to get wet. Maybe a slide system. I thought the same thing to put the air outside, that would kill my sleek and slippery-<span>ness</span>. :-) </span></div>
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<div>Hatch closure from both sides <span>deffenetly</span> a good one. I would say adjustable exterior weights. I hate the idea on chucking weights on the floor and then sitting on them. I am torn between that and moving the hp air tanks to the exterior to allow <span>alot</span> more room on the inside.</div>
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<div style="COLOR:rgb(87,87,87);FONT-SIZE:75%;">Sent from my U.S. CellularŠ <span>Smartphone</span></div></div>hank <span>pronk</span> <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca" target="_blank" href="javascript:return">hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca</a>> wrote:
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<div style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;FONT-STYLE:normal;FONT-FAMILY:tahoma, new york, times, serif;FONT-SIZE:16px;"><span>Why don&<span>apos</span>;t you take a vote on what the best improvement would be for a k sub or alike. My vote would be for a hatch closure from both sides.</span></div>
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<br clear="none"><span>Isn</span>&<span>apos</span>;t that just the coolest thing! The Star Trek synthesizer in the real world.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Joe<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Sent from Yahoo! Mail for <span>iPad</span></td></tr></tbody></table>
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<table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td colspan="1" rowspan="1" valign="top">Never thought much about doing it at small scale.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I suppose I would set up something like a wood lathe or a potter&<span>apos</span>;s wheel <br clear="none">
and work in some very soft material like low-density foam. Once I had <br clear="none">the shape that I wanted, I suppose one could pour a mold around the <br clear="none">master, melt or dissolve out the pattern and cast the final part in some <br clear="none">
suitable plastic, or even in aluminum if you were ambitious.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">3D printing seems like the ultimate way to do it, though - the accuracy <br clear="none">available is already better than what we would need, and if the <span>inital</span> <br clear="none">
results are not perfect, making changes and printing out another <br clear="none">prototype is very quick.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Marc<br clear="none"><br clear="none">On 10/28/2013 6:13 PM, Joe Perkel wrote:<br clear="none">
> How can a home builder maintain that contour 360 Deg out of "X" material?<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Joe<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Sent from my overpriced<br clear="none">> <span>iPhone</span><br clear="none">
><br clear="none">> On Oct 28, 2013, at 2:57 AM, Marc <span>de</span> <span>Piolenc</span> <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect">piolenc@archivale.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>> Quick clarification: a properly contoured Kort nozzle, MARRIED TO A MATCHING PROPELLER, will increase static and low-speed thrust. Of course it won&<span>apos</span>;t increase power, since that comes from your motor. If you just put a shroud around your existing prop, you will be disappointed, and a shroud that <span>doesn</span>&<span>apos</span>;t do the job is overpriced unless it&<span>apos</span>;s free! Key ingredients for success:<br clear="none">
>><br clear="none">>> Prop matched to the shroud<br clear="none">>> Shroud matched to the speed and thrust requirement of the vehicle<br clear="none">>> Motor matched to the resulting prop<br clear="none">
>><br clear="none">>> Marc<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> On 10/28/2013 8:33 AM, Jon Wallace wrote:<br clear="none">>>><br clear="none">>>> What is the cost of having a true Kort nozzle machined by a <span>CNC</span>? I think<br clear="none">
>>> a 30% improvement in thrust for $30 would be great but I suspect<br clear="none">>>> machining a Kort is going to equate to many hundreds of dollars, if not<br clear="none">>>> reaching beyond a
thousand. When I look at the Snoopy underwater videos<br clear="none">>>> it is difficult to imagine a <span>kort</span> nozzle really making any difference in<br clear="none">>>> the operational experience given that the motors are operating very<br clear="none">
>>> slowly and pushing Snoopy around at about 2 knots (estimated). The<br clear="none">>>> props are designed for power, but that&<span>apos</span>;s what we want underwater. True,<br clear="none">
>>> a <span>kort</span> nozzle would increase that power but what is the return on the<br clear="none">>>> cost? In other words, on a road with a speed limit of 30mph and no<br clear="none">>>> passing zones it <span>doesn</span>&<span>apos</span>;t matter whether you have a 1.6 liter or 5.4<br clear="none">
>>> liter engine under the hood does it?<br clear="none">>> --<br clear="none">>> <span>Archivale</span> catalog: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://www.archivale.com/catalog">http://www.archivale.com/catalog</a><br clear="none">
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