<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">Joe,<VAR id=yui-ie-cursor></VAR> sorry 10.5in<BR class=yui-cursor style="RIGHT: auto"></SPAN></div>
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<DIV id=yiv0521589538yui_3_13_0_11_1382972161373_5><SPAN id=yiv0521589538yui_3_13_0_11_1382972161373_11>Hank,</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Ok gentlemen first round of quotes for a Marin 19A Nozzle only in ABS plastic (White) for a 6" prop and not accounting for prop clearance is $760. This is using FDM process.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>Hatch closure from both sides deffenetly a good one. I would say adjustable exterior weights. I hate the idea on chucking weights on the floor and then sitting on them. I am torn between that and moving the hp air tanks to the exterior to allow alot more room on the inside.</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 75%; COLOR: #575757">Sent from my U.S. Cellular© Smartphone</DIV></DIV>hank pronk <hanker_20032000@yahoo.ca> wrote:
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<TD vAlign=top>I just love the world in which we live! Look what I found while waiting to take my daughter to school,.. http://www.quickparts.com/QuickQuote.aspx<BR clear=none><BR clear=none>Isn't that just the coolest thing! The Star Trek synthesizer in the real world.<BR clear=none><BR clear=none>Joe<BR clear=none><BR clear=none>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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<TD vAlign=top>Never thought much about doing it at small scale.<BR clear=none><BR clear=none>I suppose I would set up something like a wood lathe or a potter's wheel <BR clear=none>and work in some very soft material like low-density foam. Once I had <BR clear=none>the shape that I wanted, I suppose one could pour a mold around the <BR clear=none>master, melt or dissolve out the pattern and cast the final part in some <BR clear=none>suitable plastic, or even in aluminum if you were ambitious.<BR clear=none><BR clear=none>3D printing seems like the ultimate way to do it, though - the accuracy <BR clear=none>available is already better than what we would need, and if the inital <BR clear=none>results are not perfect, making changes and printing out another <BR clear=none>prototype is very quick.<BR clear=none><BR clear=none>Marc<BR clear=none><BR clear=none>On 10/28/2013 6:13 PM, Joe Perkel wrote:<BR clear=none>> How can a home builder
maintain that contour 360 Deg out of "X" material?<BR clear=none>><BR clear=none>> Joe<BR clear=none>><BR clear=none>> Sent from my overpriced<BR clear=none>> iPhone<BR clear=none>><BR clear=none>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 2:57 AM, Marc de Piolenc <<A href="" shape=rect rel=nofollow>piolenc@archivale.com</A>> wrote:<BR clear=none>><BR clear=none>>> Quick clarification: a properly contoured Kort nozzle, MARRIED TO A MATCHING PROPELLER, will increase static and low-speed thrust. Of course it won't increase power, since that comes from your motor. If you just put a shroud around your existing prop, you will be disappointed, and a shroud that doesn't do the job is overpriced unless it's free! Key ingredients for success:<BR clear=none>>><BR clear=none>>> Prop matched to the shroud<BR clear=none>>> Shroud matched to the speed and thrust requirement of the vehicle<BR
clear=none>>> Motor matched to the resulting prop<BR clear=none>>><BR clear=none>>> Marc<BR clear=none>>><BR clear=none>>> On 10/28/2013 8:33 AM, Jon Wallace wrote:<BR clear=none>>>><BR clear=none>>>> What is the cost of having a true Kort nozzle machined by a CNC? I think<BR clear=none>>>> a 30% improvement in thrust for $30 would be great but I suspect<BR clear=none>>>> machining a Kort is going to equate to many hundreds of dollars, if not<BR clear=none>>>> reaching beyond a thousand. When I look at the Snoopy underwater videos<BR clear=none>>>> it is difficult to imagine a kort nozzle really making any difference in<BR clear=none>>>> the operational experience given that the motors are operating very<BR clear=none>>>> slowly and pushing Snoopy around at about 2 knots (estimated). The<BR clear=none>>>> props are designed for
power, but that's what we want underwater. True,<BR clear=none>>>> a kort nozzle would increase that power but what is the return on the<BR clear=none>>>> cost? In other words, on a road with a speed limit of 30mph and no<BR clear=none>>>> passing zones it doesn't matter whether you have a 1.6 liter or 5.4<BR clear=none>>>> liter engine under the hood does it?<BR clear=none>>> --<BR clear=none>>> Archivale catalog: <A href="http://www.archivale.com/catalog" shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.archivale.com/catalog</A><BR clear=none>>> Polymath weblog: <A href="http://www.archivale.com/weblog" shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.archivale.com/weblog</A><BR clear=none>>> Translations (ProZ profile): <A href="http://www.proz.com/profile/639380" shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.proz.com/profile/639380</A><BR clear=none>>>
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