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<DIV>The deepworkers have 120 volts in each pod. Curasub has 4 pods, two of each center joined by a depth capable bulkhead. Outwardly it looks like 2 pods, but mechanically is not. 120 volts for lighting, 240 for propulsion and hydraulics. More or less. 240 volts allows for smaller motors. The newt-screw weighs almost 50#. I'd hate to think what it would be like at 366 volts. About the same as a 30 gallon trash can, maybe? Or a K350 pressure hull?</DIV>
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<DIV><BR clear=none>On Oct 28, 2013, at 1:14 PM, <A href="mailto:jimtoddpsub@aol.com" shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:jimtoddpsub@aol.com">jimtoddpsub@aol.com</A> wrote:<BR clear=none><BR clear=none></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3>Eight 12v batteries would just yield nominal 96 volts. <FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">The configurations available change when you're connecting lithium batteries, so I'm not sure how they're getting the high DC voltages. </FONT>I've wondered the same thing, but haven't yet asked those in the group who have expertise in DC systems. We commonly use inverters to convert 12v battery output to 120v AC, so using transformers seems reasonable.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">-----Original Message-----<BR clear=none>From: Joe Perkel <<A href="mailto:josephperkel@yahoo.com" shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:josephperkel@yahoo.com">josephperkel@yahoo.com</A>><BR clear=none>To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion <<A href="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org" shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org">personal_submersibles@psubs.org</A>><BR clear=none>Sent: Mon, Oct 28, 2013 11:24 am<BR clear=none>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Group Help Request<BR clear=none><BR clear=none>
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<DIV><FONT size=3>Another company that will give you quick quotes on printing a 3D object in a variety of materials is <A href="http://www.shapeways.com/" shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank></A><A href="http://www.shapeways.com/" shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.shapeways.com/</A>. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3>The Kort nozzle (the ring itself) doesn't necessarily have to be printed in one piece; it could be printed in two or three segments of the circle and joined together. What material do you plan to use for the supports, and how do you plan to attach them to the motor housing? The nozzle and the supports don't have to be of the same material, and printing the nozzle doesn't mean you have to print the supports. Lots of options to consider.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3>There are services around such as <A href="http://www.lazerdesign.com/" shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank></A><A href="http://www.lazerdesign.com/" shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.lazerdesign.com/</A> that can do a 3D scan on an existing object and save a lot of CAD work. You can also find desktop 3D scanners for sale such as <A href="http://www.makerbot.com/Digitizer" shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank></A><A href="http://www.makerbot.com/Digitizer" shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank>www.makerbot.com/Digitizer</A>.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3>Just for fun, take a look at Nuytco's MK-2 thruster: <A href="http://nuytco.com/products/nmt12-mk2-thruster/" shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank></A><A href="http://nuytco.com/products/nmt12-mk2-thruster/" shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://nuytco.com/products/nmt12-mk2-thruster/</A></FONT></DIV>
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<TD vAlign=top rowSpan=1 colSpan=1>I just love the world in which we live! Look what I found while waiting to take my daughter to school,.. <A href="http://www.quickparts.com/QuickQuote.aspx" shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank></A><A href="http://www.quickparts.com/QuickQuote.aspx" shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.quickparts.com/QuickQuote.aspx</A><BR clear=none><BR clear=none>Isn't that just the coolest thing! The Star Trek synthesizer in the real world.<BR clear=none><BR clear=none>Joe<BR clear=none><BR clear=none>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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<TD vAlign=top rowSpan=1 colSpan=1>Never thought much about doing it at small scale.<BR clear=none><BR clear=none>I suppose I would set up something like a wood lathe or a potter's wheel <BR clear=none>and work in some very soft material like low-density foam. Once I had <BR clear=none>the shape that I wanted, I suppose one could pour a mold around the <BR clear=none>master, melt or dissolve out the pattern and cast the final part in some <BR clear=none>suitable plastic, or even in aluminum if you were ambitious.<BR clear=none><BR clear=none>3D printing seems like the ultimate way to do it, though - the accuracy <BR clear=none>available is already better than what we would need, and if the inital <BR clear=none>results are not perfect, making changes and printing out another <BR clear=none>prototype is very quick.<BR clear=none><BR clear=none>Marc<BR clear=none><BR clear=none>On 10/28/2013 6:13 PM, Joe Perkel wrote:<BR clear=none>> How can a
home builder maintain that contour 360 Deg out of "X" material?<BR clear=none>><BR clear=none>> Joe<BR clear=none>><BR clear=none>> Sent from my overpriced<BR clear=none>> iPhone<BR clear=none>><BR clear=none>> On Oct 28, 2013, at 2:57 AM, Marc de Piolenc <<A href="" shape=rect rel=nofollow></A><A href="mailto:piolenc@archivale.com" shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:piolenc@archivale.com">piolenc@archivale.com</A>> wrote:<BR clear=none>><BR clear=none>>> Quick clarification: a properly contoured Kort nozzle, MARRIED TO A MATCHING PROPELLER, will increase static and low-speed thrust. Of course it won't increase power, since that comes from your motor. If you just put a shroud around your existing prop, you will be disappointed, and a shroud that doesn't do the job is overpriced unless it's free! Key ingredients for success:<BR clear=none>>><BR clear=none>>>
Prop matched to the shroud<BR clear=none>>> Shroud matched to the speed and thrust requirement of the vehicle<BR clear=none>>> Motor matched to the resulting prop<BR clear=none>>><BR clear=none>>> Marc<BR clear=none>>><BR clear=none>>> On 10/28/2013 8:33 AM, Jon Wallace wrote:<BR clear=none>>>><BR clear=none>>>> What is the cost of having a true Kort nozzle machined by a CNC? I think<BR clear=none>>>> a 30% improvement in thrust for $30 would be great but I suspect<BR clear=none>>>> machining a Kort is going to equate to many hundreds of dollars, if not<BR clear=none>>>> reaching beyond a thousand. When I look at the Snoopy underwater videos<BR clear=none>>>> it is difficult to imagine a kort nozzle really making any difference in<BR clear=none>>>> the operational experience given that the motors are operating very<BR clear=none>>>> slowly
and pushing Snoopy around at about 2 knots (estimated). The<BR clear=none>>>> props are designed for power, but that's what we want underwater. True,<BR clear=none>>>> a kort nozzle would increase that power but what is the return on the<BR clear=none>>>> cost? In other words, on a road with a speed limit of 30mph and no<BR clear=none>>>> passing zones it doesn't matter whether you have a 1.6 liter or 5.4<BR clear=none>>>> liter engine under the hood does it?<BR clear=none>>> --<BR clear=none>>> Archivale catalog: <A href="http://www.archivale.com/catalog" shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank></A><A href="http://www.archivale.com/catalog" shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.archivale.com/catalog</A><BR clear=none>>> Polymath weblog: <A href="http://www.archivale.com/weblog" shape=rect rel=nofollow target=_blank></A><A
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