<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">Alan,</SPAN></div>
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<DIV>I asked at Carderock over a decade ago and was told the cost would depend on setup time, which varies depending on how much instrumentation you want during the test, but that a typical figure was around $27K. Waaaay beyond my budget. Dale Heinzing tested Snoopy somewhere on the West side of Canada at a lumber yard. Snoopy went in the tank alongside the lumber and must have been pretty well disinfected, but the scary bit was that they released the pressure almost instantaneously, with a bang. That test was to only 400' so not really sufficient for a Nekton, but it might still be of interest since I think it's relatively close to you and probably was inexpensive.</DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv1547970340gmail_quote>On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Joe Perkel <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:josephperkel@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:josephperkel@yahoo.com">josephperkel@yahoo.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>As Vance says, HY80 is somewhat challenging to weld – err, actually, that’s an understatement. We had to work with our fabricators to come up with a whole weld procedure to satisfy our classing agency. If you decide to go this route, let me know and we will share that procedure.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">I think it is somewhat demanding to weld, and expensive by comparison, of course. That said, there is a mountain of data available, as the pressure hulls of most modern US Navy submarines are built out of it.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN><SPAN>ASTM A 516 or ASME SA 516 grade is one of the most popular steel grades in market . </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN><BR><BR><SPAN>It is primarily intended for use in welded pressure vessels where notch toughness is important. It comes in four grades 55, 60, 65 & 70. At Oakley Steel we mainly sell 516 gr 60 and 516 gr 70. These grades cover a range of tensile strengths from 55 - 90 MPa and this versatility explains much of the specifications popularity. </SPAN><BR><BR><SPAN>For plates thinner than 40mm we normally supply them as rolled. Plates supplied above 40mm thick are normalised. </SPAN><BR><BR><SPAN>For A 516 grade 70, which is one of our most popular steels, the ASME standard composition is as follows (dependent on grade): </SPAN><BR><BR><SPAN>Carbon 0.27 - 0.31% </SPAN><BR><SPAN>Manganese 0.79 - 1.3% </SPAN><BR><SPAN>Phosphorous 0.035% max </SPAN><BR><SPAN>Sulphur 0.035% max </SPAN><BR><SPAN>Silicon 0.13 - 0.45%
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN>In a message dated 10/22/2013 11:53:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time, <A href="mailto:jonw@psubs.org" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:jonw@psubs.org">jonw@psubs.org</A> writes:</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN><BR>Generally, A516gr70 suffices for personal or recreational submarines.<BR><BR>Jon<BR><BR><BR>On 10/22/2013 12:45 PM, Christopher Cave wrote:</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>What is the best steel to use for a submarine hull. Someone mentioned marine steel such as 316,316L or 317. Any suggestions or a website I can review.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: white"><B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt">Christopher Cave <BR></SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 13.5pt"><BR></SPAN><B><I><U><SPAN><A href="mailto:christophercave@yahoo.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:christophercave@yahoo.com">christophercave@yahoo.com</A></SPAN></U></I></B></DIV></DIV>
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