<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">Marc,</SPAN></div>
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<DIV class=hr style="FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid; HEIGHT: 0px; BORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; MARGIN: 5px 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px" readonly="true" contenteditable="false"></DIV><FONT size=2 face=Arial><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Marc de Piolenc <piolenc@archivale.com><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> personal_submersibles@psubs.org <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:15:44 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Dive report - Pickles Reef<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=y_msg_container><BR>I've been following this discussion with great interest. I don't have a <BR clear=none>sub yet, but I do live in the Tropics, and as there's no cold current <BR clear=none>handy to where I live any subbing I do will be in water pretty near air <BR clear=none>temperature. As you might expect, I've given this problem a lot of thought.<BR clear=none><BR clear=none>My tentative conclusion is that, if I build a sub, I will have to make <BR clear=none>it more autonomous than is the rule on this list. Specifically, it will <BR clear=none>need a combustion engine to ferry itself on the surface to dive sites, <BR clear=none>and to maintain comfort and keep the battery topped off for diving while <BR clear=none>doing so. I started with the assumption that I would need an air <BR clear=none>conditioning unit running off a small industrial diesel, but then I <BR clear=none>realized that, if I use a snorkel exhausting into the cabin,
and have <BR clear=none>the diesel draw air from the cabin, I get continuous renewal of the air <BR clear=none>in the cabin without the cost, power burden and safety problems of <BR clear=none>running a Rankine cycle refrigeration system. That's the solution that <BR clear=none>I've retained for the moment. Of course I also need a secure means of <BR clear=none>preventing exhaust gas from being aspirated into the snorkel (I can't <BR clear=none>quite understand how naval submarines manage to combine both functions <BR clear=none>in one mast), but that might be as simple as having the diesel exhaust <BR clear=none>flush with the hull, with some arrangement to prevent water from coming <BR clear=none>in. Since the diesel would only be used on the surface, and the snort <BR clear=none>would only be there to allow a low-freeboard hatch to be kept closed, <BR clear=none>the power penalty would be minimal.<BR clear=none><BR clear=none>Fuel storage, fuel feed
and the like still have to be worked out. Naval <BR clear=none>submarines have very complex arrangements for this, and that complexity <BR clear=none>must be tolerated for a good reason. Even so, I need a simpler way to do <BR clear=none>it that still protects the fuel from contamination and me from asphyxiation.<BR clear=none><BR clear=none>Marc de Piolenc<BR clear=none><BR clear=none>On 10/11/2013 1:45 AM, Land N Sea wrote:<BR clear=none>> I have been out of the loop for 5 weeks on the mainland on my sailboat<BR clear=none>> and I should of read all the emails before responding when I got back. I<BR clear=none>> did view the great footage and noticed that my tower looked a little<BR clear=none>> taller (good for water ingress) and of course doesn’t have the dome so I<BR clear=none>> hopefully won’t have quite as bad of a heat problem as one with the dome<BR clear=none>> but I was thinking about Emile’s clear acrylic fairing as
an option when<BR clear=none>> I heard about the water egress problems with a three foot chop.<BR clear=none>> It does get pretty hot here and we are about the same latitude as<BR clear=none>> Florida so I will probably be trying Phil’s idea of the frozen pouches<BR clear=none>> vest and or the gallon of frozen water and have the air coming out of my<BR clear=none>> scrubber blowing against it.<BR clear=none>-- <BR clear=none>Archivale catalog: <A href="http://www.archivale.com/catalog" shape=rect target=_blank>http://www.archivale.com/catalog</A><BR clear=none>Polymath weblog: <A href="http://www.archivale.com/weblog" shape=rect target=_blank>http://www.archivale.com/weblog</A><BR clear=none>Translations (ProZ profile): <A href="http://www.proz.com/profile/639380" shape=rect target=_blank>http://www.proz.com/profile/639380</A><BR clear=none>Translations (BeWords profile): <A href="http://www.bewords.com/Marc-dePiolenc" shape=rect
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