<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="RIGHT: auto"><SPAN style="RIGHT: auto">Greg,</SPAN></div>
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<DIV><SPAN>Is it a Parker seal?</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>I once bought (and still have) some custom made Parker lip seals that sound very much like those, but careful with two things:</DIV>
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<DIV>The top pressure was for low rpm, and the top rpm for low pressure. You could not run them at BOTH top speed and top pressure. The specs included a graph of speed vs. pressure and one had to stay below the line.</DIV>
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<DIV>In addition they were very particular about the shaft finish. Too rough and it would eat the seal, too smooth and it would not lubricate it sufficiently (they were lubricated by a film of water). <SPAN>You could get little slip-on bands for the shaft, with just the required finish.</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV>All I'm saying is be sure to check the detailed product literature.</DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv3930743038MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="COLOR: black">On 3 September 2013 15:36, <<A href="mailto:vbra676539@aol.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank ymailto="mailto:vbra676539@aol.com">vbra676539@aol.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv3930743038MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial', 'sans-serif'; COLOR: black">We'll need to get Jon in on this for liability considerations. That said, I think there might be a set of Perry drawings out there (although the hatches are heavier than we need) and I have an archive of the Nekton construction drawings that I'm looking for a way to preserve. If the legal end doesn't bite us, then I'm sure we can figure how to adapt proven technology to our requirements, and then provide the result with the K-plans sold on the site.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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