From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Oct 9 13:56:01 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 17:56:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2021 In-Reply-To: <411484944.238759.1631287831185@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1016746797.1597590.1613314679462@mail.yahoo.com> <824939720.1668391.1613339912593@mail.yahoo.com> <1334505958.2020282.1613422462533@mail.yahoo.com> <845731306.2690987.1613606983305@mail.yahoo.com> <1842407493.1246192.1614526180257@mail.yahoo.com> <239973090.1371370.1614550821980@mail.yahoo.com> <1649742856.313545.1617985289475@mail.yahoo.com> <575978356.359985.1617991291136@mail.yahoo.com> <888633740.388756.1617993797179@mail.yahoo.com> <464286843.422853.1617999264428@mail.yahoo.com> <95220779.1998321.1618406150119@mail.yahoo.com> <1254742732.1830320.1629298824014@mail.yahoo.com> <603462091.538676.1630172091581@mail.yahoo.com> <1485542815.1868472.1630513831781@mail.yahoo.com> <411484944.238759.1631287831185@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1978059268.1374210.1633802161406@mail.yahoo.com> Hello everyone, Some PC2021 updates ZOOM TeleconferenceZoom registration is new open on the website at?http://www.psubs.org/events/PC2021/.? The zoom video conference room is open only to members.? If you are not a member yet, join PSUBS first, then register for the zoom meeting.? Please note, this is our first attempt at a zoom meeting to be patient with us.? SPEAKERS via ZOOM...I need you to register as well because I will need your email address to send the meeting room invitation. Triton Submarines TourWe need to be at Triton between 10-10:30am and since they are about 1.5 hours from Orlando we will need to leave around 8:30am.? Triton is requesting "closed toe" footwear and masks be worn by everyone so please plan accordingly. Expect more info in a day or two. Jon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Oct 18 04:39:44 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Beram Mahmoud via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 10:39:44 +0200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub / diver scooter for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <80968EA2-EF5E-48D8-AEEB-10A7EB547053@gmx.de> It is not really a submarine but still nice? https://m.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/raritaet-tauchboot-u-boot-unterwasserfahrzeug-unterwasserscooter/1898955947-230-7468 I wish you all a nice start into the week. Br from Germany Beram Von meinem iPhone gesendet > Am 12.10.2021 um 23:23 schrieb Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles : > > ? > https://www.ironplanet.com/for-sale/fromlandingproduct/4575123?%2Flandingproduct.php%3F&equip_id=4575123&feedage=20211012&feedacct=IPUSA&src=criteo&utm_source=criteo&utm_medium=display&utm_campaign=Single%20Buyers&utm_content=Work%20Boats > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Br, Emile Van: Personal_Submersibles Namens Beram Mahmoud via Personal_Submersibles Verzonden: maandag 18 oktober 2021 10:40 Aan: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Onderwerp: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub / diver scooter for sale It is not really a submarine but still nice? https://m.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/raritaet-tauchboot-u-boot-unterwasserfahrzeug-unterwasserscooter/1898955947-230-7468 I wish you all a nice start into the week. Br from Germany Beram Von meinem iPhone gesendet Am 12.10.2021 um 23:23 schrieb Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles >: ? https://www.ironplanet.com/for-sale/fromlandingproduct/4575123?%2Flandingproduct.php%3F &equip_id=4575123&feedage=20211012&feedacct=IPUSA&src=criteo&utm_source=criteo&utm_medium=display&utm_campaign=Single%20Buyers&utm_content=Work%20Boats _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Oct 19 09:13:50 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 13:13:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2021 In-Reply-To: <1665317513.238928.1631286192087@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1016746797.1597590.1613314679462@mail.yahoo.com> <824939720.1668391.1613339912593@mail.yahoo.com> <1334505958.2020282.1613422462533@mail.yahoo.com> <845731306.2690987.1613606983305@mail.yahoo.com> <1842407493.1246192.1614526180257@mail.yahoo.com> <239973090.1371370.1614550821980@mail.yahoo.com> <1649742856.313545.1617985289475@mail.yahoo.com> <575978356.359985.1617991291136@mail.yahoo.com> <888633740.388756.1617993797179@mail.yahoo.com> <464286843.422853.1617999264428@mail.yahoo.com> <95220779.1998321.1618406150119@mail.yahoo.com> <1254742732.1830320.1629298824014@mail.yahoo.com> <603462091.538676.1630172091581@mail.yahoo.com> <1485542815.1868472.1630513831781@mail.yahoo.com> <1665317513.238928.1631286192087@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <787251105.4564742.1634649230786@mail.yahoo.com> Thank you to everyone that participated in PC2021, speakers and participants.? I always look forward to seeing my psubber compatriots face to face and the comradery it provides.? The Zoom option was a nice addition this year for those that couldn't come to Orlando.? It WAS a bit challenging at times but we managed to get through it.? I'm hoping that someone adept at ZOOM (or some other app) can help us set up better for next time. We were very well received at Triton Submarines and they both know and follow us, according to Troy Engen the General Manager.? Triton had three production submarines, one prototype, and a number of models/mock-ups in their warehouse.? We had access to all parts of the warehouse and did some close inspections on the submarines.? Before leaving Triton handed out t-shirts, masks, and a carrying-bag for everyone attending. Looking forward to seeing YOU at PC2022. Jon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It promises to be a good shallow water dive accessible to most PSUBS type submarines, even ambient models. The infrastructure in Charlevoix looks very good with a private marina having boat hoist capabilities as well as a public boat launch for those that can launch/recover directly off their trailers.? Hotels, restaurants, and private house rentals are available.? It also looks like SCUBA and surface boat support will be feasible.? Duration will likely be 3-5 days with dive briefing/debriefing daily.? It looks like a good opportunity to get numerous vessels in the water for diving, photo ops, and testing.? We can even hold a public display like we have in the past. To help in planning this, please respond to the following:? ? 1) Would you attend this event?? ? 2) Would you bring your submarine?? ? 3) Which dates would be best?? Would memorial day weekend be acceptable? 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Thanks, Alec On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 12:16 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hello Psubbers, > > An opportunity for a PSUBS expedition/convention in the May/June 2022 > timeframe has been proposed by one of our members, Bernie Hellstrom. In an > effort to begin planning for this we'd like to get some feedback from the > group. > > Location: Lake Charlevoix, Charlevoix Michigan > Primary Purpose: Submarine Diving Expedition > Primary Dive: Keuka Shipwreck > Infrastructure: Private marina with boat hoist, public boat > launch, hotels, restaurants. > > The primary dive target Keuka is a 130 foot long, 30 foot beam, barge that > sits in 45 feet of water but with topsides only 17 feet below the surface. > It promises to be a good shallow water dive accessible to most PSUBS type > submarines, even ambient models. > > The infrastructure in Charlevoix looks very good with a private marina > having boat hoist capabilities as well as a public boat launch for those > that can launch/recover directly off their trailers. Hotels, restaurants, > and private house rentals are available. It also looks like SCUBA and > surface boat support will be feasible. Duration will likely be 3-5 days > with dive briefing/debriefing daily. It looks like a good opportunity to > get numerous vessels in the water for diving, photo ops, and testing. We > can even hold a public display like we have in the past. > > To help in planning this, please respond to the following: > 1) Would you attend this event? > 2) Would you bring your submarine? > 3) Which dates would be best? Would memorial day weekend be > acceptable? > > See references below: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ6Up5S-ISQ > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOXVCNq-DjQ&t=359s > > http://www.mcgi.state.mi.us/mrbis/BASDetail.aspx?basid=A-15-023 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Oct 19 15:48:43 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 19:48:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PEX2022 In-Reply-To: <2123545106.4642294.1634660101443@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2123545106.4642294.1634660101443.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2123545106.4642294.1634660101443@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <690556425.4743060.1634672923569@mail.yahoo.com> Jon, this looks like a great location and support infrastructure, particularly with Bernie Hellstrom's local connections.? I would love to bring the R300 but the tentative date does not work for me.? First couple of weeks in July would be the earliest I could make the trip from Texas. On Tuesday, October 19, 2021, 11:16:30 AM CDT, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hello Psubbers, An opportunity for a PSUBS expedition/convention in the May/June 2022 timeframe has been proposed by one of our members, Bernie Hellstrom.? In an effort to begin planning for this we'd like to get some feedback from the group. Location:? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Lake Charlevoix, Charlevoix MichiganPrimary Purpose:? ? Submarine Diving ExpeditionPrimary Dive:? ? ? ? ?Keuka ShipwreckInfrastructure:? ? ? ? ?Private marina with boat hoist, public boat launch, hotels, restaurants. The primary dive target Keuka is a 130 foot long, 30 foot beam, barge that sits in 45 feet of water but with topsides only 17 feet below the surface.? It promises to be a good shallow water dive accessible to most PSUBS type submarines, even ambient models. The infrastructure in Charlevoix looks very good with a private marina having boat hoist capabilities as well as a public boat launch for those that can launch/recover directly off their trailers.? Hotels, restaurants, and private house rentals are available.? It also looks like SCUBA and surface boat support will be feasible.? Duration will likely be 3-5 days with dive briefing/debriefing daily.? It looks like a good opportunity to get numerous vessels in the water for diving, photo ops, and testing.? We can even hold a public display like we have in the past. To help in planning this, please respond to the following:? ? 1) Would you attend this event?? ? 2) Would you bring your submarine?? ? 3) Which dates would be best?? Would memorial day weekend be acceptable? See references below:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ6Up5S-ISQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOXVCNq-DjQ&t=359s http://www.mcgi.state.mi.us/mrbis/BASDetail.aspx?basid=A-15-023 _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Oct 19 17:00:39 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 14:00:39 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PEX2022 In-Reply-To: <2123545106.4642294.1634660101443@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2123545106.4642294.1634660101443.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2123545106.4642294.1634660101443@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jon sounds like a fun wreck to dive. Here is an interesting story on her history. https://www.northernexpress.com/news/feature/the-mystery-of-the-keuka/ Alec Smyth, you should read this article. On Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 9:16 AM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hello Psubbers, > > An opportunity for a PSUBS expedition/convention in the May/June 2022 > timeframe has been proposed by one of our members, Bernie Hellstrom. In an > effort to begin planning for this we'd like to get some feedback from the > group. > > Location: Lake Charlevoix, Charlevoix Michigan > Primary Purpose: Submarine Diving Expedition > Primary Dive: Keuka Shipwreck > Infrastructure: Private marina with boat hoist, public boat > launch, hotels, restaurants. > > The primary dive target Keuka is a 130 foot long, 30 foot beam, barge that > sits in 45 feet of water but with topsides only 17 feet below the surface. > It promises to be a good shallow water dive accessible to most PSUBS type > submarines, even ambient models. > > The infrastructure in Charlevoix looks very good with a private marina > having boat hoist capabilities as well as a public boat launch for those > that can launch/recover directly off their trailers. Hotels, restaurants, > and private house rentals are available. It also looks like SCUBA and > surface boat support will be feasible. Duration will likely be 3-5 days > with dive briefing/debriefing daily. It looks like a good opportunity to > get numerous vessels in the water for diving, photo ops, and testing. We > can even hold a public display like we have in the past. > > To help in planning this, please respond to the following: > 1) Would you attend this event? > 2) Would you bring your submarine? > 3) Which dates would be best? Would memorial day weekend be > acceptable? > > See references below: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ6Up5S-ISQ > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOXVCNq-DjQ&t=359s > > http://www.mcgi.state.mi.us/mrbis/BASDetail.aspx?basid=A-15-023 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Oct 19 19:14:43 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 23:14:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PEX2022 In-Reply-To: References: <2123545106.4642294.1634660101443.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2123545106.4642294.1634660101443@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <474644122.4826394.1634685283213@mail.yahoo.com> Jon, ?I am a hard maybe and I would bring a sub.Hank On Tuesday, October 19, 2021, 03:01:07 PM MDT, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Jon sounds like a fun wreck to dive. Here is an interesting story on her history.?https://www.northernexpress.com/news/feature/the-mystery-of-the-keuka/Alec Smyth, you should read this article. On Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 9:16 AM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hello Psubbers, An opportunity for a PSUBS expedition/convention in the May/June 2022 timeframe has been proposed by one of our members, Bernie Hellstrom.? In an effort to begin planning for this we'd like to get some feedback from the group. Location:? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Lake Charlevoix, Charlevoix MichiganPrimary Purpose:? ? Submarine Diving ExpeditionPrimary Dive:? ? ? ? ?Keuka ShipwreckInfrastructure:? ? ? ? ?Private marina with boat hoist, public boat launch, hotels, restaurants. The primary dive target Keuka is a 130 foot long, 30 foot beam, barge that sits in 45 feet of water but with topsides only 17 feet below the surface.? It promises to be a good shallow water dive accessible to most PSUBS type submarines, even ambient models. The infrastructure in Charlevoix looks very good with a private marina having boat hoist capabilities as well as a public boat launch for those that can launch/recover directly off their trailers.? Hotels, restaurants, and private house rentals are available.? It also looks like SCUBA and surface boat support will be feasible.? Duration will likely be 3-5 days with dive briefing/debriefing daily.? It looks like a good opportunity to get numerous vessels in the water for diving, photo ops, and testing.? We can even hold a public display like we have in the past. To help in planning this, please respond to the following:? ? 1) Would you attend this event?? ? 2) Would you bring your submarine?? ? 3) Which dates would be best?? Would memorial day weekend be acceptable? See references below:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ6Up5S-ISQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOXVCNq-DjQ&t=359s http://www.mcgi.state.mi.us/mrbis/BASDetail.aspx?basid=A-15-023 _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Oct 19 19:16:42 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 23:16:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PEX2022 In-Reply-To: <474644122.4826394.1634685283213@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2123545106.4642294.1634660101443.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2123545106.4642294.1634660101443@mail.yahoo.com> <474644122.4826394.1634685283213@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <316024892.4825215.1634685402760@mail.yahoo.com> Jon,?Any date works for me.Hank On Tuesday, October 19, 2021, 05:14:43 PM MDT, hank pronk wrote: Jon, ?I am a hard maybe and I would bring a sub.Hank On Tuesday, October 19, 2021, 03:01:07 PM MDT, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Jon sounds like a fun wreck to dive. Here is an interesting story on her history.?https://www.northernexpress.com/news/feature/the-mystery-of-the-keuka/Alec Smyth, you should read this article. On Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 9:16 AM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hello Psubbers, An opportunity for a PSUBS expedition/convention in the May/June 2022 timeframe has been proposed by one of our members, Bernie Hellstrom.? In an effort to begin planning for this we'd like to get some feedback from the group. Location:? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Lake Charlevoix, Charlevoix MichiganPrimary Purpose:? ? Submarine Diving ExpeditionPrimary Dive:? ? ? ? ?Keuka ShipwreckInfrastructure:? ? ? ? ?Private marina with boat hoist, public boat launch, hotels, restaurants. The primary dive target Keuka is a 130 foot long, 30 foot beam, barge that sits in 45 feet of water but with topsides only 17 feet below the surface.? It promises to be a good shallow water dive accessible to most PSUBS type submarines, even ambient models. The infrastructure in Charlevoix looks very good with a private marina having boat hoist capabilities as well as a public boat launch for those that can launch/recover directly off their trailers.? Hotels, restaurants, and private house rentals are available.? It also looks like SCUBA and surface boat support will be feasible.? Duration will likely be 3-5 days with dive briefing/debriefing daily.? It looks like a good opportunity to get numerous vessels in the water for diving, photo ops, and testing.? We can even hold a public display like we have in the past. To help in planning this, please respond to the following:? ? 1) Would you attend this event?? ? 2) Would you bring your submarine?? ? 3) Which dates would be best?? Would memorial day weekend be acceptable? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Oct 20 03:51:54 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan James via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 07:51:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2021 In-Reply-To: <787251105.4564742.1634649230786@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1016746797.1597590.1613314679462@mail.yahoo.com> <824939720.1668391.1613339912593@mail.yahoo.com> <1334505958.2020282.1613422462533@mail.yahoo.com> <845731306.2690987.1613606983305@mail.yahoo.com> <1842407493.1246192.1614526180257@mail.yahoo.com> <239973090.1371370.1614550821980@mail.yahoo.com> <1649742856.313545.1617985289475@mail.yahoo.com> <575978356.359985.1617991291136@mail.yahoo.com> <888633740.388756.1617993797179@mail.yahoo.com> <464286843.422853.1617999264428@mail.yahoo.com> <95220779.1998321.1618406150119@mail.yahoo.com> <1254742732.1830320.1629298824014@mail.yahoo.com> <603462091.538676.1630172091581@mail.yahoo.com> <1485542815.1868472.1630513831781@mail.yahoo.com> <1665317513.238928.1631286192087@mail.yahoo.com> <787251105.4564742.1634649230786@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <518341867.4917817.1634716314241@mail.yahoo.com> Jon,?I met Troy in 2013 in Auckland NZ. Triton had 2 subs on the Alucia that had just been to Antarctica. I bowled up to the warehouse where their subs were being stripped down for an ABS inspection. They showed me their subs & put me in one for a photo.?I had said I was with Psubs and was heading to Psubs Islamorada conference later that year. I was invited to have a look at their factory then, which I did with Alec. We had snoopy in tow and their guys looked awe struck with it.?Troy is a really nice guy and when I met him had notched up 10,000 hrs piloting submarines.?Glad you had a good time there, & yes we have been on there radar for a long time. Vance knew a lot of the people there I believe.?Alan? On Wednesday, October 20, 2021, 02:16:41 AM GMT+13, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thank you to everyone that participated in PC2021, speakers and participants.? I always look forward to seeing my psubber compatriots face to face and the comradery it provides.? The Zoom option was a nice addition this year for those that couldn't come to Orlando.? It WAS a bit challenging at times but we managed to get through it.? I'm hoping that someone adept at ZOOM (or some other app) can help us set up better for next time. We were very well received at Triton Submarines and they both know and follow us, according to Troy Engen the General Manager.? Triton had three production submarines, one prototype, and a number of models/mock-ups in their warehouse.? We had access to all parts of the warehouse and did some close inspections on the submarines.? Before leaving Triton handed out t-shirts, masks, and a carrying-bag for everyone attending. Looking forward to seeing YOU at PC2022. Jon_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Oct 20 11:36:21 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 15:36:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PEX2022 In-Reply-To: <690556425.4743060.1634672923569@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2123545106.4642294.1634660101443.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2123545106.4642294.1634660101443@mail.yahoo.com> <690556425.4743060.1634672923569@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1893493163.5064035.1634744181348@mail.yahoo.com> Cliff, lets see how it rolls out.? Bernie said end of May was best for visibility and that there would be less boat traffic, but we will keep an open mind toward attendance. Jon On Tuesday, October 19, 2021, 03:50:42 PM EDT, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Jon, this looks like a great location and support infrastructure, particularly with Bernie Hellstrom's local connections.? I would love to bring the R300 but the tentative date does not work for me.? First couple of weeks in July would be the earliest I could make the trip from Texas. On Tuesday, October 19, 2021, 11:16:30 AM CDT, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hello Psubbers, An opportunity for a PSUBS expedition/convention in the May/June 2022 timeframe has been proposed by one of our members, Bernie Hellstrom.? In an effort to begin planning for this we'd like to get some feedback from the group. Location:? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Lake Charlevoix, Charlevoix MichiganPrimary Purpose:? ? Submarine Diving ExpeditionPrimary Dive:? ? ? ? ?Keuka ShipwreckInfrastructure:? ? ? ? ?Private marina with boat hoist, public boat launch, hotels, restaurants. The primary dive target Keuka is a 130 foot long, 30 foot beam, barge that sits in 45 feet of water but with topsides only 17 feet below the surface.? It promises to be a good shallow water dive accessible to most PSUBS type submarines, even ambient models. The infrastructure in Charlevoix looks very good with a private marina having boat hoist capabilities as well as a public boat launch for those that can launch/recover directly off their trailers.? Hotels, restaurants, and private house rentals are available.? It also looks like SCUBA and surface boat support will be feasible.? Duration will likely be 3-5 days with dive briefing/debriefing daily.? It looks like a good opportunity to get numerous vessels in the water for diving, photo ops, and testing.? We can even hold a public display like we have in the past. To help in planning this, please respond to the following:? ? 1) Would you attend this event?? ? 2) Would you bring your submarine?? ? 3) Which dates would be best?? Would memorial day weekend be acceptable? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Oct 20 11:34:35 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 15:34:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2021 In-Reply-To: <518341867.4917817.1634716314241@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1016746797.1597590.1613314679462@mail.yahoo.com> <824939720.1668391.1613339912593@mail.yahoo.com> <1334505958.2020282.1613422462533@mail.yahoo.com> <845731306.2690987.1613606983305@mail.yahoo.com> <1842407493.1246192.1614526180257@mail.yahoo.com> <239973090.1371370.1614550821980@mail.yahoo.com> <1649742856.313545.1617985289475@mail.yahoo.com> <575978356.359985.1617991291136@mail.yahoo.com> <888633740.388756.1617993797179@mail.yahoo.com> <464286843.422853.1617999264428@mail.yahoo.com> <95220779.1998321.1618406150119@mail.yahoo.com> <1254742732.1830320.1629298824014@mail.yahoo.com> <603462091.538676.1630172091581@mail.yahoo.com> <1485542815.1868472.1630513831781@mail.yahoo.com> <1665317513.238928.1631286192087@mail.yahoo.com> <787251105.4564742.1634649230786@mail.yahoo.com> <518341867.4917817.1634716314241@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2096976900.5042503.1634744075953@mail.yahoo.com> Alan, We knew you had been to their facility but not the entire story.? Thanks for the info.? You guys obviously did a good job representing the group and it paid off. Jon On Wednesday, October 20, 2021, 03:54:37 AM EDT, Alan James via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Jon,?I met Troy in 2013 in Auckland NZ. Triton had 2 subs on the Alucia that had just been to Antarctica. I bowled up to the warehouse where their subs were being stripped down for an ABS inspection. They showed me their subs & put me in one for a photo.?I had said I was with Psubs and was heading to Psubs Islamorada conference later that year. I was invited to have a look at their factory then, which I did with Alec. We had snoopy in tow and their guys looked awe struck with it.?Troy is a really nice guy and when I met him had notched up 10,000 hrs piloting submarines.?Glad you had a good time there, & yes we have been on there radar for a long time. Vance knew a lot of the people there I believe.?Alan? On Wednesday, October 20, 2021, 02:16:41 AM GMT+13, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thank you to everyone that participated in PC2021, speakers and participants.? I always look forward to seeing my psubber compatriots face to face and the comradery it provides.? The Zoom option was a nice addition this year for those that couldn't come to Orlando.? It WAS a bit challenging at times but we managed to get through it.? I'm hoping that someone adept at ZOOM (or some other app) can help us set up better for next time. We were very well received at Triton Submarines and they both know and follow us, according to Troy Engen the General Manager.? Triton had three production submarines, one prototype, and a number of models/mock-ups in their warehouse.? We had access to all parts of the warehouse and did some close inspections on the submarines.? Before leaving Triton handed out t-shirts, masks, and a carrying-bag for everyone attending. Looking forward to seeing YOU at PC2022. Jon_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Oct 20 11:47:20 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 15:47:20 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PEX2022 In-Reply-To: <2123545106.4642294.1634660101443@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2123545106.4642294.1634660101443.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2123545106.4642294.1634660101443@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If my work commitments allow me to take the time, I would attend this. No sub, but I'd be happy to provide surface coordination and dive rescue support. Too early to commit though I'm afraid. Sean -------- Original Message -------- On Oct. 19, 2021, 10:15, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Hello Psubbers, > > An opportunity for a PSUBS expedition/convention in the May/June 2022 timeframe has been proposed by one of our members, Bernie Hellstrom. In an effort to begin planning for this we'd like to get some feedback from the group. > > Location: Lake Charlevoix, Charlevoix Michigan > Primary Purpose: Submarine Diving Expedition > Primary Dive: Keuka Shipwreck > Infrastructure: Private marina with boat hoist, public boat launch, hotels, restaurants. > > The primary dive target Keuka is a 130 foot long, 30 foot beam, barge that sits in 45 feet of water but with topsides only 17 feet below the surface. It promises to be a good shallow water dive accessible to most PSUBS type submarines, even ambient models. > > The infrastructure in Charlevoix looks very good with a private marina having boat hoist capabilities as well as a public boat launch for those that can launch/recover directly off their trailers. Hotels, restaurants, and private house rentals are available. It also looks like SCUBA and surface boat support will be feasible. Duration will likely be 3-5 days with dive briefing/debriefing daily. It looks like a good opportunity to get numerous vessels in the water for diving, photo ops, and testing. We can even hold a public display like we have in the past. > > To help in planning this, please respond to the following: > 1) Would you attend this event? > 2) Would you bring your submarine? > 3) Which dates would be best? Would memorial day weekend be acceptable? > > See references below: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ6Up5S-ISQ > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOXVCNq-DjQ&t=359s > > http://www.mcgi.state.mi.us/mrbis/BASDetail.aspx?basid=A-15-023 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Oct 20 13:51:52 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 17:51:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PEX2022 In-Reply-To: References: <2123545106.4642294.1634660101443.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2123545106.4642294.1634660101443@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <771789488.5125135.1634752312118@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Sean.? Looking forward to seeing you again. Jon On Wednesday, October 20, 2021, 11:50:59 AM EDT, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: If my work commitments allow me to take the time, I would attend this. No sub, but I'd be happy to provide surface coordination and dive rescue support. Too early to commit though I'm afraid. Sean -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Oct 20 14:09:54 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 11:09:54 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PEX2022 In-Reply-To: <2123545106.4642294.1634660101443@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2123545106.4642294.1634660101443.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2123545106.4642294.1634660101443@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009e01d7c5dd$afb18510$0f148f30$@telus.net> This sounds really good, Jon. At this time I would give it a very strong likelihood that I would attend, either flying in or driving from Vancouver. If driving, I would not likely be bringing my SportSub, but I would certainly be available to provide surface support on land or scuba. Notwithstanding the in water visibility issue, my personal date preference would be the second week of July or the first week of August. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 9:15 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PEX2022 Hello Psubbers, An opportunity for a PSUBS expedition/convention in the May/June 2022 timeframe has been proposed by one of our members, Bernie Hellstrom. In an effort to begin planning for this we'd like to get some feedback from the group. Location: Lake Charlevoix, Charlevoix Michigan Primary Purpose: Submarine Diving Expedition Primary Dive: Keuka Shipwreck Infrastructure: Private marina with boat hoist, public boat launch, hotels, restaurants. The primary dive target Keuka is a 130 foot long, 30 foot beam, barge that sits in 45 feet of water but with topsides only 17 feet below the surface. It promises to be a good shallow water dive accessible to most PSUBS type submarines, even ambient models. The infrastructure in Charlevoix looks very good with a private marina having boat hoist capabilities as well as a public boat launch for those that can launch/recover directly off their trailers. Hotels, restaurants, and private house rentals are available. It also looks like SCUBA and surface boat support will be feasible. Duration will likely be 3-5 days with dive briefing/debriefing daily. It looks like a good opportunity to get numerous vessels in the water for diving, photo ops, and testing. We can even hold a public display like we have in the past. To help in planning this, please respond to the following: 1) Would you attend this event? 2) Would you bring your submarine? 3) Which dates would be best? Would memorial day weekend be acceptable? See references below: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ6Up5S-ISQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOXVCNq-DjQ &t=359s http://www.mcgi.state.mi.us/mrbis/BASDetail.aspx?basid=A-15-023 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Oct 20 22:40:04 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 19:40:04 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PEX2022 In-Reply-To: <2123545106.4642294.1634660101443@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2123545106.4642294.1634660101443.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2123545106.4642294.1634660101443@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jon, Wyvonne has told me that we are going. Well, I will be driving / towing the VAST Sub and she will be flying. Without domes the SeaQuestor will still be in drydock. Looks like it could be a fun dive. Looking forward to more details as the event comes together. At least I won't be traveling across the entire country. Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 9:16 AM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hello Psubbers, > > An opportunity for a PSUBS expedition/convention in the May/June 2022 > timeframe has been proposed by one of our members, Bernie Hellstrom. In an > effort to begin planning for this we'd like to get some feedback from the > group. > > Location: Lake Charlevoix, Charlevoix Michigan > Primary Purpose: Submarine Diving Expedition > Primary Dive: Keuka Shipwreck > Infrastructure: Private marina with boat hoist, public boat > launch, hotels, restaurants. > > The primary dive target Keuka is a 130 foot long, 30 foot beam, barge that > sits in 45 feet of water but with topsides only 17 feet below the surface. > It promises to be a good shallow water dive accessible to most PSUBS type > submarines, even ambient models. > > The infrastructure in Charlevoix looks very good with a private marina > having boat hoist capabilities as well as a public boat launch for those > that can launch/recover directly off their trailers. Hotels, restaurants, > and private house rentals are available. It also looks like SCUBA and > surface boat support will be feasible. Duration will likely be 3-5 days > with dive briefing/debriefing daily. It looks like a good opportunity to > get numerous vessels in the water for diving, photo ops, and testing. We > can even hold a public display like we have in the past. > > To help in planning this, please respond to the following: > 1) Would you attend this event? > 2) Would you bring your submarine? > 3) Which dates would be best? Would memorial day weekend be > acceptable? > > See references below: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ6Up5S-ISQ > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOXVCNq-DjQ&t=359s > > http://www.mcgi.state.mi.us/mrbis/BASDetail.aspx?basid=A-15-023 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Oct 20 22:49:37 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 22:49:37 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PEX2022 In-Reply-To: References: <2123545106.4642294.1634660101443.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2123545106.4642294.1634660101443@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: After quite the hiatus I'm really itching to get back into some sub ops. I will tentatively commit to attending, but probably not with Snoopy... still working on her rebuild. I do have a new asset though... inflatable boat I can bring as tender (if needed). ~ Doug Suhr On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 10:41 PM David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Jon, > Wyvonne has told me that we are going. Well, I will be driving / towing > the VAST Sub and she will be flying. Without domes the SeaQuestor will > still be in drydock. Looks like it could be a fun dive. Looking forward to > more details as the event comes together. At least I won't be traveling > across the entire country. > > Best Regards, > David Colombo > > 804 College Ave > Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 > (707) 536-1424 > www.SeaQuestor.com > > > > On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 9:16 AM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Hello Psubbers, >> >> An opportunity for a PSUBS expedition/convention in the May/June 2022 >> timeframe has been proposed by one of our members, Bernie Hellstrom. In an >> effort to begin planning for this we'd like to get some feedback from the >> group. >> >> Location: Lake Charlevoix, Charlevoix Michigan >> Primary Purpose: Submarine Diving Expedition >> Primary Dive: Keuka Shipwreck >> Infrastructure: Private marina with boat hoist, public boat >> launch, hotels, restaurants. >> >> The primary dive target Keuka is a 130 foot long, 30 foot beam, barge >> that sits in 45 feet of water but with topsides only 17 feet below the >> surface. It promises to be a good shallow water dive accessible to most >> PSUBS type submarines, even ambient models. >> >> The infrastructure in Charlevoix looks very good with a private marina >> having boat hoist capabilities as well as a public boat launch for those >> that can launch/recover directly off their trailers. Hotels, restaurants, >> and private house rentals are available. It also looks like SCUBA and >> surface boat support will be feasible. Duration will likely be 3-5 days >> with dive briefing/debriefing daily. It looks like a good opportunity to >> get numerous vessels in the water for diving, photo ops, and testing. We >> can even hold a public display like we have in the past. >> >> To help in planning this, please respond to the following: >> 1) Would you attend this event? >> 2) Would you bring your submarine? >> 3) Which dates would be best? Would memorial day weekend be >> acceptable? >> >> See references below: >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ6Up5S-ISQ >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOXVCNq-DjQ&t=359s >> >> http://www.mcgi.state.mi.us/mrbis/BASDetail.aspx?basid=A-15-023 >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Oct 21 08:15:36 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 12:15:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <213851495.165433.1634818536473@mail.yahoo.com> Doug, does this model have a center console?? I'm sure we can put it to good use for surface ops. Jon On Wednesday, October 20, 2021, 11:00:29 PM EDT, Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ALL,? I've recently purchased a 12-foot Zodiac Cadet 390 rigid inflatable boat and I'm waiting for it to arrive... fingers crossed within the next few weeks. It's got an aluminium hull and double floor but only weighs a couple hundred pounds. The engine capacity is stated at 30 HP / 200 lbs max so I'm thinking about powering it with a Yamaha 25 HP... only 126 lbs. With a few hands I'll be able to put the boat on the roof and the engine in the truck, then still have room to tow Snoopy on her trailer. Or keep it simple and have the boat on a trailer if sans Snoopster.? I think she'll be a good boat for calm water sub towing / crewing and if any of you folks think it would be helpful, I can plan to bring her to the Michigan?event in the works for next summer. ~ Doug S.??_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Oct 21 20:29:07 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 20:29:07 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender In-Reply-To: <213851495.165433.1634818536473@mail.yahoo.com> References: <213851495.165433.1634818536473@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Not as ordered, but a center console / helm can be added. I decided to keep it simple with tiller control for the purpose of keeping it light and portable (by taking the motor off and putting the boat on the roof of the car, etc.) Also, not having a console frees up more interior space for crew, dive gear, comms equipment or what-have-you. Weight capacity is stated at 1400 lbs so it should be a hard worker for a 12-foot boat. Will be happy to bring her along! ~ Doug On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 8:16 AM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Doug, does this model have a center console? I'm sure we can put it to > good use for surface ops. > > Jon > > > On Wednesday, October 20, 2021, 11:00:29 PM EDT, Douglas Suhr via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > ALL, > > I've recently purchased a 12-foot Zodiac Cadet 390 rigid inflatable boat > and I'm waiting for it to arrive... fingers crossed within the next few > weeks. It's got an aluminium hull and double floor but only weighs a couple > hundred pounds. The engine capacity is stated at 30 HP / 200 lbs max so I'm > thinking about powering it with a Yamaha 25 HP... only 126 lbs. With a few > hands I'll be able to put the boat on the roof and the engine in the truck, > then still have room to tow Snoopy on her trailer. Or keep it simple and > have the boat on a trailer if sans Snoopster. > > I think she'll be a good boat for calm water sub towing / crewing and if > any of you folks think it would be helpful, I can plan to bring her to the > Michigan event in the works for next summer. ~ Doug S. > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Oct 22 00:12:01 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 21:12:01 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender In-Reply-To: References: <213851495.165433.1634818536473@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Douglas, Sounds like a nice setup. We will be bringing our 9 ft achilles hard bottom rib boat with an electric motor as a support vessel as well. Currently I am adding a few mounts for a bimini top and replacing the old handles. Should be good as new with a few extras. Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 5:30 PM Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Not as ordered, but a center console / helm can be added. I decided to > keep it simple with tiller control for the purpose of keeping it light and > portable (by taking the motor off and putting the boat on the roof of the > car, etc.) Also, not having a console frees up more interior space for > crew, dive gear, comms equipment or what-have-you. Weight capacity is > stated at 1400 lbs so it should be a hard worker for a 12-foot boat. Will > be happy to bring her along! ~ Doug > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 8:16 AM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Doug, does this model have a center console? I'm sure we can put it to >> good use for surface ops. >> >> Jon >> >> >> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021, 11:00:29 PM EDT, Douglas Suhr via >> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> ALL, >> >> I've recently purchased a 12-foot Zodiac Cadet 390 rigid inflatable boat >> and I'm waiting for it to arrive... fingers crossed within the next few >> weeks. It's got an aluminium hull and double floor but only weighs a couple >> hundred pounds. The engine capacity is stated at 30 HP / 200 lbs max so I'm >> thinking about powering it with a Yamaha 25 HP... only 126 lbs. With a few >> hands I'll be able to put the boat on the roof and the engine in the truck, >> then still have room to tow Snoopy on her trailer. Or keep it simple and >> have the boat on a trailer if sans Snoopster. >> >> I think she'll be a good boat for calm water sub towing / crewing and if >> any of you folks think it would be helpful, I can plan to bring her to the >> Michigan event in the works for next summer. ~ Doug S. >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The engine capacity is stated at 30 HP / 200 lbs max so I'm thinking about powering it with a Yamaha 25 HP... only 126 lbs. With a few hands I'll be able to put the boat on the roof and the engine in the truck, then still have room to tow Snoopy on her trailer. Or keep it simple and have the boat on a trailer if sans Snoopster. I think she'll be a good boat for calm water sub towing / crewing and if any of you folks think it would be helpful, I can plan to bring her to the Michigan event in the works for next summer. ~ Doug S. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Oct 22 13:43:40 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 07:43:40 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender In-Reply-To: <213851495.165433.1634818536473@mail.yahoo.com> References: <213851495.165433.1634818536473@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Jon, I tuned in towards the end of the event as I am 6 hours away but it was great to be able to use the zoom format for the first time due to those who would like to be there but couldnt' for some reason. Do you have a list of who was able to show up via Zoom? I didn't see some of the regulars like Hank, Sean, Vance as well as some of the others. I hope that we can start doing that every year. When I was on, there were about 6 others that were on as well but no one had their cameras turned on so I didn't either. Was there a reason as it would be nice to see everyone as well. Rick On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 2:16 AM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Doug, does this model have a center console? I'm sure we can put it to > good use for surface ops. > > Jon > > > On Wednesday, October 20, 2021, 11:00:29 PM EDT, Douglas Suhr via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > ALL, > > I've recently purchased a 12-foot Zodiac Cadet 390 rigid inflatable boat > and I'm waiting for it to arrive... fingers crossed within the next few > weeks. It's got an aluminium hull and double floor but only weighs a couple > hundred pounds. The engine capacity is stated at 30 HP / 200 lbs max so I'm > thinking about powering it with a Yamaha 25 HP... only 126 lbs. With a few > hands I'll be able to put the boat on the roof and the engine in the truck, > then still have room to tow Snoopy on her trailer. Or keep it simple and > have the boat on a trailer if sans Snoopster. > > I think she'll be a good boat for calm water sub towing / crewing and if > any of you folks think it would be helpful, I can plan to bring her to the > Michigan event in the works for next summer. ~ Doug S. > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Oct 22 13:47:24 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 17:47:24 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender In-Reply-To: References: <213851495.165433.1634818536473@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I couldn't attend, even remotely, because of work commitments unfortunately. If any of the proceedings were recorded though, I'd be interested to view? Sean -------- Original Message -------- On Oct. 22, 2021, 11:43, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Hi Jon, I tuned in towards the end of the event as I am 6 hours away but it was great to be able to use the zoom format for the first time due to those who would like to be there but couldnt' for some reason. > Do you have a list of who was able to show up via Zoom? I didn't see some of the regulars like Hank, Sean, Vance as well as some of the others. I hope that we can start doing that every year. When I was on, there were about 6 others that were on as well but no one had their cameras turned on so I didn't either. Was there a reason as it would be nice to see everyone as well. > Rick > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 2:16 AM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >> Doug, does this model have a center console? I'm sure we can put it to good use for surface ops. >> >> Jon >> >> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021, 11:00:29 PM EDT, Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> ALL, >> >> I've recently purchased a 12-foot Zodiac Cadet 390 rigid inflatable boat and I'm waiting for it to arrive... fingers crossed within the next few weeks. It's got an aluminium hull and double floor but only weighs a couple hundred pounds. The engine capacity is stated at 30 HP / 200 lbs max so I'm thinking about powering it with a Yamaha 25 HP... only 126 lbs. With a few hands I'll be able to put the boat on the roof and the engine in the truck, then still have room to tow Snoopy on her trailer. Or keep it simple and have the boat on a trailer if sans Snoopster. >> >> I think she'll be a good boat for calm water sub towing / crewing and if any of you folks think it would be helpful, I can plan to bring her to the Michigan event in the works for next summer. ~ Doug S. >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Oct 22 14:49:43 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 14:49:43 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender In-Reply-To: References: <213851495.165433.1634818536473@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A bimini top is a great addition David, I'll have to see about adding one to my boat. You're welcome aboard anytime Tim! Likewise with Zoom, I was preoccupied and missed the ZOOM discussions, but I hope all went well. ~ Doug On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 1:48 PM Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > I couldn't attend, even remotely, because of work commitments > unfortunately. If any of the proceedings were recorded though, I'd be > interested to view? > > Sean > > -------- Original Message -------- > On Oct. 22, 2021, 11:43, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Hi Jon, I tuned in towards the end of the event as I am 6 hours away but > it was great to be able to use the zoom format for the first time due to > those who would like to be there but couldnt' for some reason. > Do you have a list of who was able to show up via Zoom? I didn't see some > of the regulars like Hank, Sean, Vance as well as some of the others. I > hope that we can start doing that every year. When I was on, there were > about 6 others that were on as well but no one had their cameras turned on > so I didn't either. Was there a reason as it would be nice to see everyone > as well. > Rick > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 2:16 AM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Doug, does this model have a center console? I'm sure we can put it to >> good use for surface ops. >> >> Jon >> >> >> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021, 11:00:29 PM EDT, Douglas Suhr via >> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> ALL, >> >> I've recently purchased a 12-foot Zodiac Cadet 390 rigid inflatable boat >> and I'm waiting for it to arrive... fingers crossed within the next few >> weeks. It's got an aluminium hull and double floor but only weighs a couple >> hundred pounds. The engine capacity is stated at 30 HP / 200 lbs max so I'm >> thinking about powering it with a Yamaha 25 HP... only 126 lbs. With a few >> hands I'll be able to put the boat on the roof and the engine in the truck, >> then still have room to tow Snoopy on her trailer. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Oct 22 18:59:17 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 22:59:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender In-Reply-To: References: <213851495.165433.1634818536473@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2039772363.785718.1634943557900@mail.yahoo.com> Rick, totally up to each person if they want to be on video or not.? A lot of our members are still working for a living so difficult for them to hook up on a weekday but unfortunately a weekday was all I could book for a meeting room. I did not record any of the material.? Steve suggested it to me but my hands were full just trying to keep the audio going.? That might be possible in future if we can find a zoom-master to run the online meeting. Jon On Friday, October 22, 2021, 01:45:28 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Jon, I tuned in towards?the end of the event as I am 6 hours away but it was great to be able to use the zoom format for the first time due to those who would like to be there but couldnt' for some reason.Do you have a list of who was able to show up via Zoom? I didn't see some of the?regulars like Hank, Sean, Vance as well as some of the others. I hope that we can start doing that every year. When I was on, there were about 6 others that were on as well but no one had their cameras turned on so I didn't either. Was there a reason as it would be nice to see everyone as well.Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Oct 22 19:54:26 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 16:54:26 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender In-Reply-To: <2039772363.785718.1634943557900@mail.yahoo.com> References: <213851495.165433.1634818536473@mail.yahoo.com> <2039772363.785718.1634943557900@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007701d7c7a0$259f7160$70de5420$@telus.net> Most of the Zoom meetings that I have attended and there are more than 10 others on camera it causes a significant increase in bandwidth usage. This causes the speaker's video to lag and become jerky. Agreed that it is a better meeting when everyone is on video, but muted in order to avoid distracting background noises. This was a terrific session, very close to being there together. But unfortunate that we could not all participate with lunch and dinner and off line discussions. Unfortunately, I missed the first hour. I was able to take screen photos of various slides for further study. Looking forward the next one, in person or online! Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 3:59 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender Rick, totally up to each person if they want to be on video or not. A lot of our members are still working for a living so difficult for them to hook up on a weekday but unfortunately a weekday was all I could book for a meeting room. I did not record any of the material. Steve suggested it to me but my hands were full just trying to keep the audio going. That might be possible in future if we can find a zoom-master to run the online meeting. Jon On Friday, October 22, 2021, 01:45:28 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Hi Jon, I tuned in towards the end of the event as I am 6 hours away but it was great to be able to use the zoom format for the first time due to those who would like to be there but couldnt' for some reason. Do you have a list of who was able to show up via Zoom? I didn't see some of the regulars like Hank, Sean, Vance as well as some of the others. I hope that we can start doing that every year. When I was on, there were about 6 others that were on as well but no one had their cameras turned on so I didn't either. Was there a reason as it would be nice to see everyone as well. Rick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Oct 22 20:43:02 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 14:43:02 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender In-Reply-To: <007701d7c7a0$259f7160$70de5420$@telus.net> References: <213851495.165433.1634818536473@mail.yahoo.com> <2039772363.785718.1634943557900@mail.yahoo.com> <007701d7c7a0$259f7160$70de5420$@telus.net> Message-ID: Thanks Jon, After reading posts from all the others over the years, I think it adds a lot to see them on the screen. Maybe next year? Rick On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 1:55 PM Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Most of the Zoom meetings that I have attended and there are more than 10 > others on camera it causes a significant increase in bandwidth usage. This > causes the speaker's video to lag and become jerky. > > > > Agreed that it is a better meeting when everyone is on video, but muted in > order to avoid distracting background noises. > > > > This was a terrific session, very close to being there together. But > unfortunate that we could not all participate with lunch and dinner and off > line discussions. Unfortunately, I missed the first hour. I was able to > take screen photos of various slides for further study. > > > > Looking forward the next one, in person or online! > > > > Tim > > > > *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: > personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *Jon Wallace via > Personal_Submersibles > *Sent:* Friday, October 22, 2021 3:59 PM > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender > > > > Rick, totally up to each person if they want to be on video or not. A lot > of our members are still working for a living so difficult for them to hook > up on a weekday but unfortunately a weekday was all I could book for a > meeting room. > > > > I did not record any of the material. Steve suggested it to me but my > hands were full just trying to keep the audio going. That might be > possible in future if we can find a zoom-master to run the online meeting. > > > > Jon > > > > > > On Friday, October 22, 2021, 01:45:28 PM EDT, Rick Patton via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > > > > Hi Jon, I tuned in towards the end of the event as I am 6 hours away but > it was great to be able to use the zoom format for the first time due to > those who would like to be there but couldnt' for some reason. > > Do you have a list of who was able to show up via Zoom? I didn't see some > of the regulars like Hank, Sean, Vance as well as some of the others. I > hope that we can start doing that every year. When I was on, there were > about 6 others that were on as well but no one had their cameras turned on > so I didn't either. Was there a reason as it would be nice to see everyone > as well. > > Rick > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Oct 22 20:51:48 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 00:51:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender In-Reply-To: References: <213851495.165433.1634818536473@mail.yahoo.com> <2039772363.785718.1634943557900@mail.yahoo.com> <007701d7c7a0$259f7160$70de5420$@telus.net> Message-ID: <1702589145.808536.1634950308312@mail.yahoo.com> Definitely.? I can put slides up on the website.? I've got Steve's and Cliff's. On Friday, October 22, 2021, 08:44:48 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Thanks Jon, After reading posts from all the others over the years, I think it adds a lot to see them on the screen.Maybe next year? Rick On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 1:55 PM Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Most of the Zoom meetings that I have attended and there are more than 10 others on camera it causes a significant increase in bandwidth usage.? This causes the speaker's video to lag and become jerky. ? Agreed that it is a better meeting when everyone is on video, but muted in order to avoid distracting background noises. ? This was a terrific session, very close to being there together.? But unfortunate that we could not all participate with lunch and dinner and off line discussions.? Unfortunately, I missed the first hour.? I was able to take screen photos of various slides for further study. ? Looking forward the next one, in person or online! ? Tim ? From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 3:59 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender ? Rick, totally up to each person if they want to be on video or not.? A lot of our members are still working for a living so difficult for them to hook up on a weekday but unfortunately a weekday was all I could book for a meeting room. ? I did not record any of the material.? Steve suggested it to me but my hands were full just trying to keep the audio going.? That might be possible in future if we can find a zoom-master to run the online meeting. ? Jon ? ? On Friday, October 22, 2021, 01:45:28 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? ? Hi Jon, I tuned in towards?the end of the event as I am 6 hours away but it was great to be able to use the zoom format for the first time due to those who would like to be there but couldnt' for some reason. Do you have a list of who was able to show up via Zoom? I didn't see some of the?regulars like Hank, Sean, Vance as well as some of the others. I hope that we can start doing that every year. When I was on, there were about 6 others that were on as well but no one had their cameras turned on so I didn't either. Was there a reason as it would be nice to see everyone as well. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Oct 25 23:10:10 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 23:10:10 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender In-Reply-To: <1702589145.808536.1634950308312@mail.yahoo.com> References: <213851495.165433.1634818536473@mail.yahoo.com> <2039772363.785718.1634943557900@mail.yahoo.com> <007701d7c7a0$259f7160$70de5420$@telus.net> <1702589145.808536.1634950308312@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well friends, it would seem that perhaps I spoke too soon when I offered the services of the new Zodiac at next year's event in Michigan. The boat itself is actually inbound this week via truck freight. It had no delays at port because coming in from Europe, it entered the country on the Atlantic side and avoided the major snafu currently plaguing our Pacific coast ports. But I've run into a snag with the motor... Major ordering backlogs with almost all new outboards! I had my sights set on a Yamaha 25-hp short shaft, tiller-operated outboard due to the high-efficiency motor and great power:weight ratio but it looks like if I order one right now, it'll be a 6 to 9 month lead-time due to major supply chain disruptions. I'll be meeting with my local Yamaha dealer tomorrow to discuss options but at this point it looks like I have two viable routes: order now and wait -or- look for a decent used engine for sale. I do have a 9.9-hp outboard that I could use in the interim if I decide to order a new motor and wait it out, but for the purpose of towing subs I think a 25-hp is necessary. I'll keep you all apprised of progress with the new boat, but wow I am disappointed that so many different things I used to take for granted (that you could just go out and buy) are getting very difficult to find. Not good. ~ Doug S. On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 8:52 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Definitely. I can put slides up on the website. I've got Steve's and > Cliff's. > > > > On Friday, October 22, 2021, 08:44:48 PM EDT, Rick Patton via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Thanks Jon, After reading posts from all the others over the years, I > think it adds a lot to see them on the screen. > Maybe next year? > > Rick > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 1:55 PM Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Most of the Zoom meetings that I have attended and there are more than 10 > others on camera it causes a significant increase in bandwidth usage. This > causes the speaker's video to lag and become jerky. > > > > Agreed that it is a better meeting when everyone is on video, but muted in > order to avoid distracting background noises. > > > > This was a terrific session, very close to being there together. But > unfortunate that we could not all participate with lunch and dinner and off > line discussions. Unfortunately, I missed the first hour. I was able to > take screen photos of various slides for further study. > > > > Looking forward the next one, in person or online! > > > > Tim > > > > *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: > personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *Jon Wallace via > Personal_Submersibles > *Sent:* Friday, October 22, 2021 3:59 PM > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender > > > > Rick, totally up to each person if they want to be on video or not. A lot > of our members are still working for a living so difficult for them to hook > up on a weekday but unfortunately a weekday was all I could book for a > meeting room. > > > > I did not record any of the material. Steve suggested it to me but my > hands were full just trying to keep the audio going. That might be > possible in future if we can find a zoom-master to run the online meeting. > > > > Jon > > > > > > On Friday, October 22, 2021, 01:45:28 PM EDT, Rick Patton via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > > > > Hi Jon, I tuned in towards the end of the event as I am 6 hours away but > it was great to be able to use the zoom format for the first time due to > those who would like to be there but couldnt' for some reason. > > Do you have a list of who was able to show up via Zoom? I didn't see some > of the regulars like Hank, Sean, Vance as well as some of the others. I > hope that we can start doing that every year. When I was on, there were > about 6 others that were on as well but no one had their cameras turned on > so I didn't either. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Oct 26 01:08:27 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 19:08:27 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender In-Reply-To: References: <213851495.165433.1634818536473@mail.yahoo.com> <2039772363.785718.1634943557900@mail.yahoo.com> <007701d7c7a0$259f7160$70de5420$@telus.net> <1702589145.808536.1634950308312@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hey Douglas, When I bought my sailboat, it came with a 10' inflatable with a hard bottom and a 19 horse two stroke outboard motor on it and it seemed like way more power than I needed. I think you could of water skied behind it. Have you checked all the places around you that would sell OB's as I bought one here on the big island and it was a year end close out so got a real good price on a new one. Wondering if you need a 25 HP? Rick On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 5:11 PM Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Well friends, it would seem that perhaps I spoke too soon when I > offered the services of the new Zodiac at next year's event in Michigan. > The boat itself is actually inbound this week via truck freight. It had no > delays at port because coming in from Europe, it entered the country on the > Atlantic side and avoided the major snafu currently plaguing our Pacific > coast ports. But I've run into a snag with the motor... Major ordering > backlogs with almost all new outboards! I had my sights set on a Yamaha > 25-hp short shaft, tiller-operated outboard due to the high-efficiency > motor and great power:weight ratio but it looks like if I order one right > now, it'll be a 6 to 9 month lead-time due to major supply chain > disruptions. I'll be meeting with my local Yamaha dealer tomorrow to > discuss options but at this point it looks like I have two viable routes: > order now and wait -or- look for a decent used engine for sale. I do have a > 9.9-hp outboard that I could use in the interim if I decide to order a new > motor and wait it out, but for the purpose of towing subs I think a 25-hp > is necessary. I'll keep you all apprised of progress with the new boat, but > wow I am disappointed that so many different things I used to take for > granted (that you could just go out and buy) are getting very difficult to > find. Not good. ~ Doug S. > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 8:52 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Definitely. I can put slides up on the website. I've got Steve's and >> Cliff's. >> >> >> >> On Friday, October 22, 2021, 08:44:48 PM EDT, Rick Patton via >> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> Thanks Jon, After reading posts from all the others over the years, I >> think it adds a lot to see them on the screen. >> Maybe next year? >> >> Rick >> >> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 1:55 PM Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Most of the Zoom meetings that I have attended and there are more than 10 >> others on camera it causes a significant increase in bandwidth usage. This >> causes the speaker's video to lag and become jerky. >> >> >> >> Agreed that it is a better meeting when everyone is on video, but muted >> in order to avoid distracting background noises. >> >> >> >> This was a terrific session, very close to being there together. But >> unfortunate that we could not all participate with lunch and dinner and off >> line discussions. Unfortunately, I missed the first hour. I was able to >> take screen photos of various slides for further study. >> >> >> >> Looking forward the next one, in person or online! >> >> >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: >> personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *Jon Wallace via >> Personal_Submersibles >> *Sent:* Friday, October 22, 2021 3:59 PM >> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender >> >> >> >> Rick, totally up to each person if they want to be on video or not. A >> lot of our members are still working for a living so difficult for them to >> hook up on a weekday but unfortunately a weekday was all I could book for a >> meeting room. >> >> >> >> I did not record any of the material. Steve suggested it to me but my >> hands were full just trying to keep the audio going. That might be >> possible in future if we can find a zoom-master to run the online meeting. >> >> >> >> Jon >> >> >> >> >> >> On Friday, October 22, 2021, 01:45:28 PM EDT, Rick Patton via >> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Jon, I tuned in towards the end of the event as I am 6 hours away but >> it was great to be able to use the zoom format for the first time due to >> those who would like to be there but couldnt' for some reason. >> >> Do you have a list of who was able to show up via Zoom? I didn't see some >> of the regulars like Hank, Sean, Vance as well as some of the others. I >> hope that we can start doing that every year. When I was on, there were >> about 6 others that were on as well but no one had their cameras turned on >> so I didn't either. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Oct 26 16:26:09 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 13:26:09 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender In-Reply-To: References: <213851495.165433.1634818536473@mail.yahoo.com> <2039772363.785718.1634943557900@mail.yahoo.com> <007701d7c7a0$259f7160$70de5420$@telus.net> <1702589145.808536.1634950308312@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00d201d7caa7$b6b2cf80$24186e80$@telus.net> This is unfortunate news, Doug. At least your 9.9 is available in the meantime. Best of luck. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 8:10 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender Well friends, it would seem that perhaps I spoke too soon when I offered the services of the new Zodiac at next year's event in Michigan. The boat itself is actually inbound this week via truck freight. It had no delays at port because coming in from Europe, it entered the country on the Atlantic side and avoided the major snafu currently plaguing our Pacific coast ports. But I've run into a snag with the motor... Major ordering backlogs with almost all new outboards! I had my sights set on a Yamaha 25-hp short shaft, tiller-operated outboard due to the high-efficiency motor and great power:weight ratio but it looks like if I order one right now, it'll be a 6 to 9 month lead-time due to major supply chain disruptions. I'll be meeting with my local Yamaha dealer tomorrow to discuss options but at this point it looks like I have two viable routes: order now and wait -or- look for a decent used engine for sale. I do have a 9.9-hp outboard that I could use in the interim if I decide to order a new motor and wait it out, but for the purpose of towing subs I think a 25-hp is necessary. I'll keep you all apprised of progress with the new boat, but wow I am disappointed that so many different things I used to take for granted (that you could just go out and buy) are getting very difficult to find. Not good. ~ Doug S. On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 8:52 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Definitely. I can put slides up on the website. I've got Steve's and Cliff's. On Friday, October 22, 2021, 08:44:48 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Thanks Jon, After reading posts from all the others over the years, I think it adds a lot to see them on the screen. Maybe next year? Rick On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 1:55 PM Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Most of the Zoom meetings that I have attended and there are more than 10 others on camera it causes a significant increase in bandwidth usage. This causes the speaker's video to lag and become jerky. Agreed that it is a better meeting when everyone is on video, but muted in order to avoid distracting background noises. This was a terrific session, very close to being there together. But unfortunate that we could not all participate with lunch and dinner and off line discussions. Unfortunately, I missed the first hour. I was able to take screen photos of various slides for further study. Looking forward the next one, in person or online! Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org ] On Behalf Of Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 3:59 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender Rick, totally up to each person if they want to be on video or not. A lot of our members are still working for a living so difficult for them to hook up on a weekday but unfortunately a weekday was all I could book for a meeting room. I did not record any of the material. Steve suggested it to me but my hands were full just trying to keep the audio going. That might be possible in future if we can find a zoom-master to run the online meeting. Jon On Friday, October 22, 2021, 01:45:28 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Hi Jon, I tuned in towards the end of the event as I am 6 hours away but it was great to be able to use the zoom format for the first time due to those who would like to be there but couldnt' for some reason. Do you have a list of who was able to show up via Zoom? I didn't see some of the regulars like Hank, Sean, Vance as well as some of the others. I hope that we can start doing that every year. When I was on, there were about 6 others that were on as well but no one had their cameras turned on so I didn't either. Was there a reason as it would be nice to see everyone as well. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Oct 26 16:42:03 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 16:42:03 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender In-Reply-To: References: <213851495.165433.1634818536473@mail.yahoo.com> <2039772363.785718.1634943557900@mail.yahoo.com> <007701d7c7a0$259f7160$70de5420$@telus.net> <1702589145.808536.1634950308312@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Doug, I'll be taking my inflatable too. But I thought I should mention where I got the outboard for it. There's a place in Canada that does fishing summer camps, and sells all their outboards after each season. I got a fish camp Mercury 25, and was very happy - it was in all but new condition. The lightest outboards are the Tohatsu and the Mercury. The latter is actually made by Tohatsu. Here is the dealer in the US that handles the fish camp sales: https://www.smalloutboards.com Best, Alec On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 11:11 PM Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Well friends, it would seem that perhaps I spoke too soon when I > offered the services of the new Zodiac at next year's event in Michigan. > The boat itself is actually inbound this week via truck freight. It had no > delays at port because coming in from Europe, it entered the country on the > Atlantic side and avoided the major snafu currently plaguing our Pacific > coast ports. But I've run into a snag with the motor... Major ordering > backlogs with almost all new outboards! I had my sights set on a Yamaha > 25-hp short shaft, tiller-operated outboard due to the high-efficiency > motor and great power:weight ratio but it looks like if I order one right > now, it'll be a 6 to 9 month lead-time due to major supply chain > disruptions. I'll be meeting with my local Yamaha dealer tomorrow to > discuss options but at this point it looks like I have two viable routes: > order now and wait -or- look for a decent used engine for sale. I do have a > 9.9-hp outboard that I could use in the interim if I decide to order a new > motor and wait it out, but for the purpose of towing subs I think a 25-hp > is necessary. I'll keep you all apprised of progress with the new boat, but > wow I am disappointed that so many different things I used to take for > granted (that you could just go out and buy) are getting very difficult to > find. Not good. ~ Doug S. > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 8:52 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Definitely. I can put slides up on the website. I've got Steve's and >> Cliff's. >> >> >> >> On Friday, October 22, 2021, 08:44:48 PM EDT, Rick Patton via >> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> Thanks Jon, After reading posts from all the others over the years, I >> think it adds a lot to see them on the screen. >> Maybe next year? >> >> Rick >> >> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 1:55 PM Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Most of the Zoom meetings that I have attended and there are more than 10 >> others on camera it causes a significant increase in bandwidth usage. This >> causes the speaker's video to lag and become jerky. >> >> >> >> Agreed that it is a better meeting when everyone is on video, but muted >> in order to avoid distracting background noises. >> >> >> >> This was a terrific session, very close to being there together. But >> unfortunate that we could not all participate with lunch and dinner and off >> line discussions. Unfortunately, I missed the first hour. I was able to >> take screen photos of various slides for further study. >> >> >> >> Looking forward the next one, in person or online! >> >> >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: >> personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *Jon Wallace via >> Personal_Submersibles >> *Sent:* Friday, October 22, 2021 3:59 PM >> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender >> >> >> >> Rick, totally up to each person if they want to be on video or not. A >> lot of our members are still working for a living so difficult for them to >> hook up on a weekday but unfortunately a weekday was all I could book for a >> meeting room. >> >> >> >> I did not record any of the material. Steve suggested it to me but my >> hands were full just trying to keep the audio going. That might be >> possible in future if we can find a zoom-master to run the online meeting. >> >> >> >> Jon >> >> >> >> >> >> On Friday, October 22, 2021, 01:45:28 PM EDT, Rick Patton via >> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Jon, I tuned in towards the end of the event as I am 6 hours away but >> it was great to be able to use the zoom format for the first time due to >> those who would like to be there but couldnt' for some reason. >> >> Do you have a list of who was able to show up via Zoom? I didn't see some >> of the regulars like Hank, Sean, Vance as well as some of the others. I >> hope that we can start doing that every year. When I was on, there were >> about 6 others that were on as well but no one had their cameras turned on >> so I didn't either. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Oct 26 16:43:18 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 16:43:18 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender In-Reply-To: References: <213851495.165433.1634818536473@mail.yahoo.com> <2039772363.785718.1634943557900@mail.yahoo.com> <007701d7c7a0$259f7160$70de5420$@telus.net> <1702589145.808536.1634950308312@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A better link: https://www.smalloutboards.com/mfaq1.htm On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 11:11 PM Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Well friends, it would seem that perhaps I spoke too soon when I > offered the services of the new Zodiac at next year's event in Michigan. > The boat itself is actually inbound this week via truck freight. It had no > delays at port because coming in from Europe, it entered the country on the > Atlantic side and avoided the major snafu currently plaguing our Pacific > coast ports. But I've run into a snag with the motor... Major ordering > backlogs with almost all new outboards! I had my sights set on a Yamaha > 25-hp short shaft, tiller-operated outboard due to the high-efficiency > motor and great power:weight ratio but it looks like if I order one right > now, it'll be a 6 to 9 month lead-time due to major supply chain > disruptions. I'll be meeting with my local Yamaha dealer tomorrow to > discuss options but at this point it looks like I have two viable routes: > order now and wait -or- look for a decent used engine for sale. I do have a > 9.9-hp outboard that I could use in the interim if I decide to order a new > motor and wait it out, but for the purpose of towing subs I think a 25-hp > is necessary. I'll keep you all apprised of progress with the new boat, but > wow I am disappointed that so many different things I used to take for > granted (that you could just go out and buy) are getting very difficult to > find. Not good. ~ Doug S. > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 8:52 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Definitely. I can put slides up on the website. I've got Steve's and >> Cliff's. >> >> >> >> On Friday, October 22, 2021, 08:44:48 PM EDT, Rick Patton via >> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> Thanks Jon, After reading posts from all the others over the years, I >> think it adds a lot to see them on the screen. >> Maybe next year? >> >> Rick >> >> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 1:55 PM Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Most of the Zoom meetings that I have attended and there are more than 10 >> others on camera it causes a significant increase in bandwidth usage. This >> causes the speaker's video to lag and become jerky. >> >> >> >> Agreed that it is a better meeting when everyone is on video, but muted >> in order to avoid distracting background noises. >> >> >> >> This was a terrific session, very close to being there together. But >> unfortunate that we could not all participate with lunch and dinner and off >> line discussions. Unfortunately, I missed the first hour. I was able to >> take screen photos of various slides for further study. >> >> >> >> Looking forward the next one, in person or online! >> >> >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: >> personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *Jon Wallace via >> Personal_Submersibles >> *Sent:* Friday, October 22, 2021 3:59 PM >> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender >> >> >> >> Rick, totally up to each person if they want to be on video or not. A >> lot of our members are still working for a living so difficult for them to >> hook up on a weekday but unfortunately a weekday was all I could book for a >> meeting room. >> >> >> >> I did not record any of the material. Steve suggested it to me but my >> hands were full just trying to keep the audio going. That might be >> possible in future if we can find a zoom-master to run the online meeting. >> >> >> >> Jon >> >> >> >> >> >> On Friday, October 22, 2021, 01:45:28 PM EDT, Rick Patton via >> Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Jon, I tuned in towards the end of the event as I am 6 hours away but >> it was great to be able to use the zoom format for the first time due to >> those who would like to be there but couldnt' for some reason. >> >> Do you have a list of who was able to show up via Zoom? I didn't see some >> of the regulars like Hank, Sean, Vance as well as some of the others. I >> hope that we can start doing that every year. When I was on, there were >> about 6 others that were on as well but no one had their cameras turned on >> so I didn't either. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Oct 26 16:44:18 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 20:44:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender In-Reply-To: <00d201d7caa7$b6b2cf80$24186e80$@telus.net> References: <213851495.165433.1634818536473@mail.yahoo.com> <2039772363.785718.1634943557900@mail.yahoo.com> <007701d7c7a0$259f7160$70de5420$@telus.net> <1702589145.808536.1634950308312@mail.yahoo.com> <00d201d7caa7$b6b2cf80$24186e80$@telus.net> Message-ID: <310007949.1965052.1635281058776@mail.yahoo.com> Doug,My 10 foot inflatable will plane on 10 HP . ?My 14 foot Misty River aluminum boat has a 25 hp Honda 4 stroke and it is a rocket.I think 25 hp is too much for you.Hank On Tuesday, October 26, 2021, 02:26:27 PM MDT, Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: This is unfortunate news, Doug. At least your 9.9 is available in the meantime. Best of luck. Tim ? From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 8:10 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender ? Well friends, it would seem that perhaps I spoke too soon when I offered?the services of the?new Zodiac at next year's event in Michigan. The boat itself?is actually inbound this week via truck freight. It had no delays at port because coming in from Europe, it entered the country on the Atlantic side and avoided the major snafu currently plaguing our Pacific coast ports. But I've run into a snag with the motor... Major ordering backlogs with almost all new outboards! I had my sights set on a Yamaha 25-hp short shaft, tiller-operated outboard due to the high-efficiency motor and great power:weight ratio but it looks like if I order one right now, it'll be a 6 to 9 month lead-time due to major supply chain disruptions. I'll be meeting with my local Yamaha dealer tomorrow to discuss options but at this point it looks like I have two viable?routes: order now and wait -or- look for a decent used engine for sale. I do have a 9.9-hp outboard that I could use in the interim?if I decide to order a new motor and wait it out, but for the purpose of towing subs I think a 25-hp is necessary. I'll keep you all apprised of progress with the new boat, but wow I am disappointed that so many different things I used to take for granted (that you could just go out and buy) are getting very difficult to find. Not good. ~ Doug S.? ? On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 8:52 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Definitely.? I can put slides up on the website.? I've got Steve's and Cliff's. ? ? ? On Friday, October 22, 2021, 08:44:48 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? ? Thanks Jon, After reading posts from all the others over the years, I think it adds a lot to see them on the screen. Maybe next year? ? Rick ? On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 1:55 PM Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Most of the Zoom meetings that I have attended and there are more than 10 others on camera it causes a significant increase in bandwidth usage.? This causes the speaker's video to lag and become jerky. ? Agreed that it is a better meeting when everyone is on video, but muted in order to avoid distracting background noises. ? This was a terrific session, very close to being there together.? But unfortunate that we could not all participate with lunch and dinner and off line discussions.? Unfortunately, I missed the first hour.? I was able to take screen photos of various slides for further study. ? Looking forward the next one, in person or online! ? Tim ? From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 3:59 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender ? Rick, totally up to each person if they want to be on video or not.? A lot of our members are still working for a living so difficult for them to hook up on a weekday but unfortunately a weekday was all I could book for a meeting room. ? I did not record any of the material.? Steve suggested it to me but my hands were full just trying to keep the audio going.? That might be possible in future if we can find a zoom-master to run the online meeting. ? Jon ? ? On Friday, October 22, 2021, 01:45:28 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? ? Hi Jon, I tuned in towards?the end of the event as I am 6 hours away but it was great to be able to use the zoom format for the first time due to those who would like to be there but couldnt' for some reason. Do you have a list of who was able to show up via Zoom? I didn't see some of the?regulars like Hank, Sean, Vance as well as some of the others. I hope that we can start doing that every year. When I was on, there were about 6 others that were on as well but no one had their cameras turned on so I didn't either. Was there a reason as it would be nice to see everyone as well. 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Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 20:51:24 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender In-Reply-To: <00d201d7caa7$b6b2cf80$24186e80$@telus.net> References: <213851495.165433.1634818536473@mail.yahoo.com> <2039772363.785718.1634943557900@mail.yahoo.com> <007701d7c7a0$259f7160$70de5420$@telus.net> <1702589145.808536.1634950308312@mail.yahoo.com> <00d201d7caa7$b6b2cf80$24186e80$@telus.net> Message-ID: Just a quick reminder that while total available power of an outboard is an important consideration, for towing purposes one should also consider the suitability of the installed propellor. Out of the crate, most small outboards come equipped with a screw optimized for top speed (3 blade, highly cupped, highly raked, aggressive pitch), where, for example, a 5-bladed prop with lower pitch wouldn't have the same speed capability on plane but would be much better suited to towing. Could potentially be an easy change to make / procure. Sean -------- Original Message -------- On Oct. 26, 2021, 14:26, Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > This is unfortunate news, Doug. At least your 9.9 is available in the meantime. > > Best of luck. > > Tim > > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 8:10 PM > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender > > Well friends, it would seem that perhaps I spoke too soon when I offered the services of the new Zodiac at next year's event in Michigan. The boat itself is actually inbound this week via truck freight. It had no delays at port because coming in from Europe, it entered the country on the Atlantic side and avoided the major snafu currently plaguing our Pacific coast ports. But I've run into a snag with the motor... Major ordering backlogs with almost all new outboards! I had my sights set on a Yamaha 25-hp short shaft, tiller-operated outboard due to the high-efficiency motor and great power:weight ratio but it looks like if I order one right now, it'll be a 6 to 9 month lead-time due to major supply chain disruptions. I'll be meeting with my local Yamaha dealer tomorrow to discuss options but at this point it looks like I have two viable routes: order now and wait -or- look for a decent used engine for sale. I do have a 9.9-hp outboard that I could use in the interim if I decide to order a new motor and wait it out, but for the purpose of towing subs I think a 25-hp is necessary. I'll keep you all apprised of progress with the new boat, but wow I am disappointed that so many different things I used to take for granted (that you could just go out and buy) are getting very difficult to find. Not good. ~ Doug S. > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 8:52 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >> Definitely. I can put slides up on the website. I've got Steve's and Cliff's. >> >> On Friday, October 22, 2021, 08:44:48 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Thanks Jon, After reading posts from all the others over the years, I think it adds a lot to see them on the screen. >> >> Maybe next year? >> >> Rick >> >> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 1:55 PM Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >>> Most of the Zoom meetings that I have attended and there are more than 10 others on camera it causes a significant increase in bandwidth usage. This causes the speaker's video to lag and become jerky. >>> >>> Agreed that it is a better meeting when everyone is on video, but muted in order to avoid distracting background noises. >>> >>> This was a terrific session, very close to being there together. But unfortunate that we could not all participate with lunch and dinner and off line discussions. Unfortunately, I missed the first hour. I was able to take screen photos of various slides for further study. >>> >>> Looking forward the next one, in person or online! >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles >>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 3:59 PM >>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender >>> >>> Rick, totally up to each person if they want to be on video or not. A lot of our members are still working for a living so difficult for them to hook up on a weekday but unfortunately a weekday was all I could book for a meeting room. >>> >>> I did not record any of the material. Steve suggested it to me but my hands were full just trying to keep the audio going. That might be possible in future if we can find a zoom-master to run the online meeting. >>> >>> Jon >>> >>> On Friday, October 22, 2021, 01:45:28 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> Hi Jon, I tuned in towards the end of the event as I am 6 hours away but it was great to be able to use the zoom format for the first time due to those who would like to be there but couldnt' for some reason. >>> >>> Do you have a list of who was able to show up via Zoom? I didn't see some of the regulars like Hank, Sean, Vance as well as some of the others. I hope that we can start doing that every year. When I was on, there were about 6 others that were on as well but no one had their cameras turned on so I didn't either. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Oct 26 19:25:29 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 23:25:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender In-Reply-To: References: <213851495.165433.1634818536473@mail.yahoo.com> <2039772363.785718.1634943557900@mail.yahoo.com> <007701d7c7a0$259f7160$70de5420$@telus.net> <1702589145.808536.1634950308312@mail.yahoo.com> <00d201d7caa7$b6b2cf80$24186e80$@telus.net> Message-ID: <976713337.2007019.1635290729926@mail.yahoo.com> Have to admit I'm a bit out-of-the-loop regarding boats and towing, but curiosity is getting the best of me, how capable is a lightweight inflatable of towing a 3-5k pound sub through the water? Jon On Tuesday, October 26, 2021, 04:53:01 PM EDT, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Just a quick reminder that while total available power of an outboard is an important consideration, for towing purposes one should also consider the suitability of the installed propellor. Out of the crate, most small outboards come equipped with a screw optimized for top speed (3 blade, highly cupped, highly raked, aggressive pitch), where, for example, a 5-bladed prop with lower pitch wouldn't have the same speed capability on plane but would be much better suited to towing. Could potentially be an easy change to make / procure. Sean -------- Original Message -------- On Oct. 26, 2021, 14:26, Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: This is unfortunate news, Doug. At least your 9.9 is available in the meantime. Best of luck. Tim ? From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 8:10 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender ? Well friends, it would seem that perhaps I spoke too soon when I offered?the services of the?new Zodiac at next year's event in Michigan. The boat itself?is actually inbound this week via truck freight. It had no delays at port because coming in from Europe, it entered the country on the Atlantic side and avoided the major snafu currently plaguing our Pacific coast ports. But I've run into a snag with the motor... Major ordering backlogs with almost all new outboards! I had my sights set on a Yamaha 25-hp short shaft, tiller-operated outboard due to the high-efficiency motor and great power:weight ratio but it looks like if I order one right now, it'll be a 6 to 9 month lead-time due to major supply chain disruptions. I'll be meeting with my local Yamaha dealer tomorrow to discuss options but at this point it looks like I have two viable?routes: order now and wait -or- look for a decent used engine for sale. I do have a 9.9-hp outboard that I could use in the interim?if I decide to order a new motor and wait it out, but for the purpose of towing subs I think a 25-hp is necessary. I'll keep you all apprised of progress with the new boat, but wow I am disappointed that so many different things I used to take for granted (that you could just go out and buy) are getting very difficult to find. Not good. ~ Doug S.? ? On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 8:52 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Definitely.? I can put slides up on the website.? I've got Steve's and Cliff's. ? ? ? On Friday, October 22, 2021, 08:44:48 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? ? Thanks Jon, After reading posts from all the others over the years, I think it adds a lot to see them on the screen. Maybe next year? ? Rick ? On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 1:55 PM Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Most of the Zoom meetings that I have attended and there are more than 10 others on camera it causes a significant increase in bandwidth usage.? This causes the speaker's video to lag and become jerky. ? Agreed that it is a better meeting when everyone is on video, but muted in order to avoid distracting background noises. ? This was a terrific session, very close to being there together.? But unfortunate that we could not all participate with lunch and dinner and off line discussions.? Unfortunately, I missed the first hour.? I was able to take screen photos of various slides for further study. ? Looking forward the next one, in person or online! ? Tim ? From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 3:59 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender ? Rick, totally up to each person if they want to be on video or not.? A lot of our members are still working for a living so difficult for them to hook up on a weekday but unfortunately a weekday was all I could book for a meeting room. ? I did not record any of the material.? Steve suggested it to me but my hands were full just trying to keep the audio going.? That might be possible in future if we can find a zoom-master to run the online meeting. ? Jon ? ? On Friday, October 22, 2021, 01:45:28 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? ? Hi Jon, I tuned in towards?the end of the event as I am 6 hours away but it was great to be able to use the zoom format for the first time due to those who would like to be there but couldnt' for some reason. Do you have a list of who was able to show up via Zoom? I didn't see some of the?regulars like Hank, Sean, Vance as well as some of the others. I hope that we can start doing that every year. When I was on, there were about 6 others that were on as well but no one had their cameras turned on so I didn't either. Was there a reason as it would be nice to see everyone as well. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Oct 26 19:41:51 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:41:51 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender In-Reply-To: <976713337.2007019.1635290729926@mail.yahoo.com> References: <976713337.2007019.1635290729926@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1D0A8EA0-E8D8-42FC-A0D4-BB516E6F56C5@gmail.com> Well, that?s a good question. In principle it doesn?t take much HP to move a big boat if you?re not going fast. For instance, a 30ish foot sailboat will move along just fine with less than 10HP, and I?ve even seen 5HP. The key to towing with a dinghy would be to tow from the right spot, which is just aft of the center of the boat. I?d thought of making a tow point that adapts to the boat, but I haven?t tried yet. My intention would be to make something rather like a post that attaches to the floor, but I?m concerned about the floor popping up from between the tubes. I would definitely not recommend towing from the transom. Not only would the boat be directionally challenged, it would be very rough on the seams that join the transom to the tubes, and that happens to be the typical failure point of inflatables even if not towing. The challenge is finding a way to secure the tow line that doesn?t wrench parts off the boat. Best, Alec > On Oct 26, 2021, at 7:26 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > ? > Have to admit I'm a bit out-of-the-loop regarding boats and towing, but curiosity is getting the best of me, how capable is a lightweight inflatable of towing a 3-5k pound sub through the water? > > Jon > > > On Tuesday, October 26, 2021, 04:53:01 PM EDT, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Just a quick reminder that while total available power of an outboard is an important consideration, for towing purposes one should also consider the suitability of the installed propellor. Out of the crate, most small outboards come equipped with a screw optimized for top speed (3 blade, highly cupped, highly raked, aggressive pitch), where, for example, a 5-bladed prop with lower pitch wouldn't have the same speed capability on plane but would be much better suited to towing. Could potentially be an easy change to make / procure. > > Sean > > > -------- Original Message -------- > On Oct. 26, 2021, 14:26, Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > This is unfortunate news, Doug. At least your 9.9 is available in the meantime. > > Best of luck. > > Tim > > > > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 8:10 PM > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender > > > > Well friends, it would seem that perhaps I spoke too soon when I offered the services of the new Zodiac at next year's event in Michigan. The boat itself is actually inbound this week via truck freight. It had no delays at port because coming in from Europe, it entered the country on the Atlantic side and avoided the major snafu currently plaguing our Pacific coast ports. But I've run into a snag with the motor... Major ordering backlogs with almost all new outboards! I had my sights set on a Yamaha 25-hp short shaft, tiller-operated outboard due to the high-efficiency motor and great power:weight ratio but it looks like if I order one right now, it'll be a 6 to 9 month lead-time due to major supply chain disruptions. I'll be meeting with my local Yamaha dealer tomorrow to discuss options but at this point it looks like I have two viable routes: order now and wait -or- look for a decent used engine for sale. I do have a 9.9-hp outboard that I could use in the interim if I decide to order a new motor and wait it out, but for the purpose of towing subs I think a 25-hp is necessary. I'll keep you all apprised of progress with the new boat, but wow I am disappointed that so many different things I used to take for granted (that you could just go out and buy) are getting very difficult to find. Not good. ~ Doug S. > > > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 8:52 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Definitely. I can put slides up on the website. I've got Steve's and Cliff's. > > > > > > > > On Friday, October 22, 2021, 08:44:48 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Jon, After reading posts from all the others over the years, I think it adds a lot to see them on the screen. > > Maybe next year? > > > > Rick > > > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 1:55 PM Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Most of the Zoom meetings that I have attended and there are more than 10 others on camera it causes a significant increase in bandwidth usage. This causes the speaker's video to lag and become jerky. > > > > Agreed that it is a better meeting when everyone is on video, but muted in order to avoid distracting background noises. > > > > This was a terrific session, very close to being there together. But unfortunate that we could not all participate with lunch and dinner and off line discussions. Unfortunately, I missed the first hour. I was able to take screen photos of various slides for further study. > > > > Looking forward the next one, in person or online! > > > > Tim > > > > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 3:59 PM > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender > > > > Rick, totally up to each person if they want to be on video or not. A lot of our members are still working for a living so difficult for them to hook up on a weekday but unfortunately a weekday was all I could book for a meeting room. > > > > I did not record any of the material. Steve suggested it to me but my hands were full just trying to keep the audio going. That might be possible in future if we can find a zoom-master to run the online meeting. > > > > Jon > > > > > > On Friday, October 22, 2021, 01:45:28 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > > > > Hi Jon, I tuned in towards the end of the event as I am 6 hours away but it was great to be able to use the zoom format for the first time due to those who would like to be there but couldnt' for some reason. > > Do you have a list of who was able to show up via Zoom? I didn't see some of the regulars like Hank, Sean, Vance as well as some of the others. I hope that we can start doing that every year. When I was on, there were about 6 others that were on as well but no one had their cameras turned on so I didn't either. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Oct 26 19:49:20 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 23:49:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender In-Reply-To: <976713337.2007019.1635290729926@mail.yahoo.com> References: <213851495.165433.1634818536473@mail.yahoo.com> <2039772363.785718.1634943557900@mail.yahoo.com> <007701d7c7a0$259f7160$70de5420$@telus.net> <1702589145.808536.1634950308312@mail.yahoo.com> <00d201d7caa7$b6b2cf80$24186e80$@telus.net> <976713337.2007019.1635290729926@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1607699930.2014646.1635292160870@mail.yahoo.com> Jon, the short answer is, poorly. ?It does work, like Alec says, you must hold the tow line mid ships.I have used the inflatable to push Gamma with good success, as opposed to towing.Hank On Tuesday, October 26, 2021, 05:25:47 PM MDT, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Have to admit I'm a bit out-of-the-loop regarding boats and towing, but curiosity is getting the best of me, how capable is a lightweight inflatable of towing a 3-5k pound sub through the water? Jon On Tuesday, October 26, 2021, 04:53:01 PM EDT, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Just a quick reminder that while total available power of an outboard is an important consideration, for towing purposes one should also consider the suitability of the installed propellor. Out of the crate, most small outboards come equipped with a screw optimized for top speed (3 blade, highly cupped, highly raked, aggressive pitch), where, for example, a 5-bladed prop with lower pitch wouldn't have the same speed capability on plane but would be much better suited to towing. Could potentially be an easy change to make / procure. Sean -------- Original Message -------- On Oct. 26, 2021, 14:26, Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: This is unfortunate news, Doug. At least your 9.9 is available in the meantime. Best of luck. Tim ? From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 8:10 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender ? Well friends, it would seem that perhaps I spoke too soon when I offered?the services of the?new Zodiac at next year's event in Michigan. The boat itself?is actually inbound this week via truck freight. It had no delays at port because coming in from Europe, it entered the country on the Atlantic side and avoided the major snafu currently plaguing our Pacific coast ports. But I've run into a snag with the motor... Major ordering backlogs with almost all new outboards! I had my sights set on a Yamaha 25-hp short shaft, tiller-operated outboard due to the high-efficiency motor and great power:weight ratio but it looks like if I order one right now, it'll be a 6 to 9 month lead-time due to major supply chain disruptions. I'll be meeting with my local Yamaha dealer tomorrow to discuss options but at this point it looks like I have two viable?routes: order now and wait -or- look for a decent used engine for sale. I do have a 9.9-hp outboard that I could use in the interim?if I decide to order a new motor and wait it out, but for the purpose of towing subs I think a 25-hp is necessary. I'll keep you all apprised of progress with the new boat, but wow I am disappointed that so many different things I used to take for granted (that you could just go out and buy) are getting very difficult to find. Not good. ~ Doug S.? ? On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 8:52 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Definitely.? I can put slides up on the website.? I've got Steve's and Cliff's. ? ? ? On Friday, October 22, 2021, 08:44:48 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? ? Thanks Jon, After reading posts from all the others over the years, I think it adds a lot to see them on the screen. Maybe next year? ? Rick ? On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 1:55 PM Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Most of the Zoom meetings that I have attended and there are more than 10 others on camera it causes a significant increase in bandwidth usage.? This causes the speaker's video to lag and become jerky. ? Agreed that it is a better meeting when everyone is on video, but muted in order to avoid distracting background noises. ? This was a terrific session, very close to being there together.? But unfortunate that we could not all participate with lunch and dinner and off line discussions.? Unfortunately, I missed the first hour.? I was able to take screen photos of various slides for further study. ? Looking forward the next one, in person or online! ? Tim ? From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 3:59 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender ? Rick, totally up to each person if they want to be on video or not.? A lot of our members are still working for a living so difficult for them to hook up on a weekday but unfortunately a weekday was all I could book for a meeting room. ? I did not record any of the material.? Steve suggested it to me but my hands were full just trying to keep the audio going.? That might be possible in future if we can find a zoom-master to run the online meeting. ? Jon ? ? On Friday, October 22, 2021, 01:45:28 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? ? Hi Jon, I tuned in towards?the end of the event as I am 6 hours away but it was great to be able to use the zoom format for the first time due to those who would like to be there but couldnt' for some reason. Do you have a list of who was able to show up via Zoom? I didn't see some of the?regulars like Hank, Sean, Vance as well as some of the others. I hope that we can start doing that every year. When I was on, there were about 6 others that were on as well but no one had their cameras turned on so I didn't either. Was there a reason as it would be nice to see everyone as well. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Oct 26 19:49:44 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 23:49:44 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender In-Reply-To: <976713337.2007019.1635290729926@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2039772363.785718.1634943557900@mail.yahoo.com> <007701d7c7a0$259f7160$70de5420$@telus.net> <1702589145.808536.1634950308312@mail.yahoo.com> <00d201d7caa7$b6b2cf80$24186e80$@telus.net> <976713337.2007019.1635290729926@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Depends... How patient are you? ;-) Provided you have a long enough tow line that your discharge thrust isn't working against you, it will move, but you're not going anywhere fast with 9.9 hp. I have towed partially submerged sailboats with 90 hp in the past and still not moved faster than I could swim. Consider the 9.9 an emergency shepherding option. Sean -------- Original Message -------- On Oct. 26, 2021, 17:25, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Have to admit I'm a bit out-of-the-loop regarding boats and towing, but curiosity is getting the best of me, how capable is a lightweight inflatable of towing a 3-5k pound sub through the water? > > Jon > > On Tuesday, October 26, 2021, 04:53:01 PM EDT, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Just a quick reminder that while total available power of an outboard is an important consideration, for towing purposes one should also consider the suitability of the installed propellor. Out of the crate, most small outboards come equipped with a screw optimized for top speed (3 blade, highly cupped, highly raked, aggressive pitch), where, for example, a 5-bladed prop with lower pitch wouldn't have the same speed capability on plane but would be much better suited to towing. Could potentially be an easy change to make / procure. > > Sean > > -------- Original Message -------- > On Oct. 26, 2021, 14:26, Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> > > This is unfortunate news, Doug. At least your 9.9 is available in the meantime. > > Best of luck. > > Tim > > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 8:10 PM > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender > > Well friends, it would seem that perhaps I spoke too soon when I offered the services of the new Zodiac at next year's event in Michigan. The boat itself is actually inbound this week via truck freight. It had no delays at port because coming in from Europe, it entered the country on the Atlantic side and avoided the major snafu currently plaguing our Pacific coast ports. But I've run into a snag with the motor... Major ordering backlogs with almost all new outboards! I had my sights set on a Yamaha 25-hp short shaft, tiller-operated outboard due to the high-efficiency motor and great power:weight ratio but it looks like if I order one right now, it'll be a 6 to 9 month lead-time due to major supply chain disruptions. I'll be meeting with my local Yamaha dealer tomorrow to discuss options but at this point it looks like I have two viable routes: order now and wait -or- look for a decent used engine for sale. I do have a 9.9-hp outboard that I could use in the interim if I decide to order a new motor and wait it out, but for the purpose of towing subs I think a 25-hp is necessary. I'll keep you all apprised of progress with the new boat, but wow I am disappointed that so many different things I used to take for granted (that you could just go out and buy) are getting very difficult to find. Not good. ~ Doug S. > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 8:52 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >> Definitely. I can put slides up on the website. I've got Steve's and Cliff's. >> >> On Friday, October 22, 2021, 08:44:48 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Thanks Jon, After reading posts from all the others over the years, I think it adds a lot to see them on the screen. >> >> Maybe next year? >> >> Rick >> >> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 1:55 PM Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >>> Most of the Zoom meetings that I have attended and there are more than 10 others on camera it causes a significant increase in bandwidth usage. This causes the speaker's video to lag and become jerky. >>> >>> Agreed that it is a better meeting when everyone is on video, but muted in order to avoid distracting background noises. >>> >>> This was a terrific session, very close to being there together. But unfortunate that we could not all participate with lunch and dinner and off line discussions. Unfortunately, I missed the first hour. I was able to take screen photos of various slides for further study. >>> >>> Looking forward the next one, in person or online! >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles >>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 3:59 PM >>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender >>> >>> Rick, totally up to each person if they want to be on video or not. A lot of our members are still working for a living so difficult for them to hook up on a weekday but unfortunately a weekday was all I could book for a meeting room. >>> >>> I did not record any of the material. Steve suggested it to me but my hands were full just trying to keep the audio going. That might be possible in future if we can find a zoom-master to run the online meeting. >>> >>> Jon >>> >>> On Friday, October 22, 2021, 01:45:28 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> Hi Jon, I tuned in towards the end of the event as I am 6 hours away but it was great to be able to use the zoom format for the first time due to those who would like to be there but couldnt' for some reason. >>> >>> Do you have a list of who was able to show up via Zoom? I didn't see some of the regulars like Hank, Sean, Vance as well as some of the others. I hope that we can start doing that every year. When I was on, there were about 6 others that were on as well but no one had their cameras turned on so I didn't either. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Oct 26 20:00:52 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 00:00:52 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender In-Reply-To: References: <2039772363.785718.1634943557900@mail.yahoo.com> <007701d7c7a0$259f7160$70de5420$@telus.net> <1702589145.808536.1634950308312@mail.yahoo.com> <00d201d7caa7$b6b2cf80$24186e80$@telus.net> <976713337.2007019.1635290729926@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The other option is the alongside tow, where as Hank pointed out the intent is to actually create a composite unit, with the tow vessel secured alongside but as far aft as possible againt the towed vessel, with lines secured to points at the fore and aft extents on the towed vessel, plus laterally to make the tow rigging effectively rigid. The tow vessel then just acts as a propulsor of the composite. This works well when the tow vessel is small compared to the towed, and has the added advantage of being able to maneouver the composite as though it were a single large vessel, with steerage and reversing, etc. Sean -------- Original Message -------- On Oct. 26, 2021, 17:49, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Depends... How patient are you? ;-) > > Provided you have a long enough tow line that your discharge thrust isn't working against you, it will move, but you're not going anywhere fast with 9.9 hp. I have towed partially submerged sailboats with 90 hp in the past and still not moved faster than I could swim. Consider the 9.9 an emergency shepherding option. > > Sean > > -------- Original Message -------- > On Oct. 26, 2021, 17:25, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > >> Have to admit I'm a bit out-of-the-loop regarding boats and towing, but curiosity is getting the best of me, how capable is a lightweight inflatable of towing a 3-5k pound sub through the water? >> >> Jon >> >> On Tuesday, October 26, 2021, 04:53:01 PM EDT, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Just a quick reminder that while total available power of an outboard is an important consideration, for towing purposes one should also consider the suitability of the installed propellor. Out of the crate, most small outboards come equipped with a screw optimized for top speed (3 blade, highly cupped, highly raked, aggressive pitch), where, for example, a 5-bladed prop with lower pitch wouldn't have the same speed capability on plane but would be much better suited to towing. Could potentially be an easy change to make / procure. >> >> Sean >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> On Oct. 26, 2021, 14:26, Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> >> >> This is unfortunate news, Doug. At least your 9.9 is available in the meantime. >> >> Best of luck. >> >> Tim >> >> From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles >> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 8:10 PM >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender >> >> Well friends, it would seem that perhaps I spoke too soon when I offered the services of the new Zodiac at next year's event in Michigan. The boat itself is actually inbound this week via truck freight. It had no delays at port because coming in from Europe, it entered the country on the Atlantic side and avoided the major snafu currently plaguing our Pacific coast ports. But I've run into a snag with the motor... Major ordering backlogs with almost all new outboards! I had my sights set on a Yamaha 25-hp short shaft, tiller-operated outboard due to the high-efficiency motor and great power:weight ratio but it looks like if I order one right now, it'll be a 6 to 9 month lead-time due to major supply chain disruptions. I'll be meeting with my local Yamaha dealer tomorrow to discuss options but at this point it looks like I have two viable routes: order now and wait -or- look for a decent used engine for sale. I do have a 9.9-hp outboard that I could use in the interim if I decide to order a new motor and wait it out, but for the purpose of towing subs I think a 25-hp is necessary. I'll keep you all apprised of progress with the new boat, but wow I am disappointed that so many different things I used to take for granted (that you could just go out and buy) are getting very difficult to find. Not good. ~ Doug S. >> >> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 8:52 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >>> Definitely. I can put slides up on the website. I've got Steve's and Cliff's. >>> >>> On Friday, October 22, 2021, 08:44:48 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Jon, After reading posts from all the others over the years, I think it adds a lot to see them on the screen. >>> >>> Maybe next year? >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 1:55 PM Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>>> Most of the Zoom meetings that I have attended and there are more than 10 others on camera it causes a significant increase in bandwidth usage. This causes the speaker's video to lag and become jerky. >>>> >>>> Agreed that it is a better meeting when everyone is on video, but muted in order to avoid distracting background noises. >>>> >>>> This was a terrific session, very close to being there together. But unfortunate that we could not all participate with lunch and dinner and off line discussions. Unfortunately, I missed the first hour. I was able to take screen photos of various slides for further study. >>>> >>>> Looking forward the next one, in person or online! >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> >>>> From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles >>>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 3:59 PM >>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender >>>> >>>> Rick, totally up to each person if they want to be on video or not. A lot of our members are still working for a living so difficult for them to hook up on a weekday but unfortunately a weekday was all I could book for a meeting room. >>>> >>>> I did not record any of the material. Steve suggested it to me but my hands were full just trying to keep the audio going. That might be possible in future if we can find a zoom-master to run the online meeting. >>>> >>>> Jon >>>> >>>> On Friday, October 22, 2021, 01:45:28 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Jon, I tuned in towards the end of the event as I am 6 hours away but it was great to be able to use the zoom format for the first time due to those who would like to be there but couldnt' for some reason. >>>> >>>> Do you have a list of who was able to show up via Zoom? I didn't see some of the regulars like Hank, Sean, Vance as well as some of the others. I hope that we can start doing that every year. When I was on, there were about 6 others that were on as well but no one had their cameras turned on so I didn't either. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Oct 26 20:04:59 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 20:04:59 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender In-Reply-To: <1607699930.2014646.1635292160870@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1607699930.2014646.1635292160870@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5C93349D-3700-4140-948C-D2F9A8EB558F@gmail.com> Hank, what did you push against on the sub? Could you control direction ok? > On Oct 26, 2021, at 7:50 PM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > ? > Jon, the short answer is, poorly. It does work, like Alec says, you must hold the tow line mid ships. > I have used the inflatable to push Gamma with good success, as opposed to towing. > Hank > > On Tuesday, October 26, 2021, 05:25:47 PM MDT, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Have to admit I'm a bit out-of-the-loop regarding boats and towing, but curiosity is getting the best of me, how capable is a lightweight inflatable of towing a 3-5k pound sub through the water? > > Jon > > > On Tuesday, October 26, 2021, 04:53:01 PM EDT, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Just a quick reminder that while total available power of an outboard is an important consideration, for towing purposes one should also consider the suitability of the installed propellor. Out of the crate, most small outboards come equipped with a screw optimized for top speed (3 blade, highly cupped, highly raked, aggressive pitch), where, for example, a 5-bladed prop with lower pitch wouldn't have the same speed capability on plane but would be much better suited to towing. Could potentially be an easy change to make / procure. > > Sean > > > -------- Original Message -------- > On Oct. 26, 2021, 14:26, Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > This is unfortunate news, Doug. At least your 9.9 is available in the meantime. > > Best of luck. > > Tim > > > > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 8:10 PM > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender > > > > Well friends, it would seem that perhaps I spoke too soon when I offered the services of the new Zodiac at next year's event in Michigan. The boat itself is actually inbound this week via truck freight. It had no delays at port because coming in from Europe, it entered the country on the Atlantic side and avoided the major snafu currently plaguing our Pacific coast ports. But I've run into a snag with the motor... Major ordering backlogs with almost all new outboards! I had my sights set on a Yamaha 25-hp short shaft, tiller-operated outboard due to the high-efficiency motor and great power:weight ratio but it looks like if I order one right now, it'll be a 6 to 9 month lead-time due to major supply chain disruptions. I'll be meeting with my local Yamaha dealer tomorrow to discuss options but at this point it looks like I have two viable routes: order now and wait -or- look for a decent used engine for sale. I do have a 9.9-hp outboard that I could use in the interim if I decide to order a new motor and wait it out, but for the purpose of towing subs I think a 25-hp is necessary. I'll keep you all apprised of progress with the new boat, but wow I am disappointed that so many different things I used to take for granted (that you could just go out and buy) are getting very difficult to find. Not good. ~ Doug S. > > > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 8:52 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Definitely. I can put slides up on the website. I've got Steve's and Cliff's. > > > > > > > > On Friday, October 22, 2021, 08:44:48 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Jon, After reading posts from all the others over the years, I think it adds a lot to see them on the screen. > > Maybe next year? > > > > Rick > > > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 1:55 PM Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Most of the Zoom meetings that I have attended and there are more than 10 others on camera it causes a significant increase in bandwidth usage. This causes the speaker's video to lag and become jerky. > > > > Agreed that it is a better meeting when everyone is on video, but muted in order to avoid distracting background noises. > > > > This was a terrific session, very close to being there together. But unfortunate that we could not all participate with lunch and dinner and off line discussions. Unfortunately, I missed the first hour. I was able to take screen photos of various slides for further study. > > > > Looking forward the next one, in person or online! > > > > Tim > > > > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 3:59 PM > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender > > > > Rick, totally up to each person if they want to be on video or not. A lot of our members are still working for a living so difficult for them to hook up on a weekday but unfortunately a weekday was all I could book for a meeting room. > > > > I did not record any of the material. Steve suggested it to me but my hands were full just trying to keep the audio going. That might be possible in future if we can find a zoom-master to run the online meeting. > > > > Jon > > > > > > On Friday, October 22, 2021, 01:45:28 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > > > > Hi Jon, I tuned in towards the end of the event as I am 6 hours away but it was great to be able to use the zoom format for the first time due to those who would like to be there but couldnt' for some reason. > > Do you have a list of who was able to show up via Zoom? I didn't see some of the regulars like Hank, Sean, Vance as well as some of the others. I hope that we can start doing that every year. When I was on, there were about 6 others that were on as well but no one had their cameras turned on so I didn't either. 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Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > ?The other option is the alongside tow, where as Hank pointed out the intent is to actually create a composite unit, with the tow vessel secured alongside but as far aft as possible againt the towed vessel, with lines secured to points at the fore and aft extents on the towed vessel, plus laterally to make the tow rigging effectively rigid. The tow vessel then just acts as a propulsor of the composite. This works well when the tow vessel is small compared to the towed, and has the added advantage of being able to maneouver the composite as though it were a single large vessel, with steerage and reversing, etc. > > Sean > > -------- Original Message -------- > On Oct. 26, 2021, 17:49, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Depends... How patient are you? ;-) > > Provided you have a long enough tow line that your discharge thrust isn't working against you, it will move, but you're not going anywhere fast with 9.9 hp. I have towed partially submerged sailboats with 90 hp in the past and still not moved faster than I could swim. Consider the 9.9 an emergency shepherding option. > > Sean > > -------- Original Message -------- > On Oct. 26, 2021, 17:25, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Have to admit I'm a bit out-of-the-loop regarding boats and towing, but curiosity is getting the best of me, how capable is a lightweight inflatable of towing a 3-5k pound sub through the water? > > Jon > > > On Tuesday, October 26, 2021, 04:53:01 PM EDT, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Just a quick reminder that while total available power of an outboard is an important consideration, for towing purposes one should also consider the suitability of the installed propellor. Out of the crate, most small outboards come equipped with a screw optimized for top speed (3 blade, highly cupped, highly raked, aggressive pitch), where, for example, a 5-bladed prop with lower pitch wouldn't have the same speed capability on plane but would be much better suited to towing. Could potentially be an easy change to make / procure. > > Sean > > > -------- Original Message -------- > On Oct. 26, 2021, 14:26, Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > This is unfortunate news, Doug. At least your 9.9 is available in the meantime. > > Best of luck. > > Tim > > > > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 8:10 PM > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender > > > > Well friends, it would seem that perhaps I spoke too soon when I offered the services of the new Zodiac at next year's event in Michigan. The boat itself is actually inbound this week via truck freight. It had no delays at port because coming in from Europe, it entered the country on the Atlantic side and avoided the major snafu currently plaguing our Pacific coast ports. But I've run into a snag with the motor... Major ordering backlogs with almost all new outboards! I had my sights set on a Yamaha 25-hp short shaft, tiller-operated outboard due to the high-efficiency motor and great power:weight ratio but it looks like if I order one right now, it'll be a 6 to 9 month lead-time due to major supply chain disruptions. I'll be meeting with my local Yamaha dealer tomorrow to discuss options but at this point it looks like I have two viable routes: order now and wait -or- look for a decent used engine for sale. I do have a 9.9-hp outboard that I could use in the interim if I decide to order a new motor and wait it out, but for the purpose of towing subs I think a 25-hp is necessary. I'll keep you all apprised of progress with the new boat, but wow I am disappointed that so many different things I used to take for granted (that you could just go out and buy) are getting very difficult to find. Not good. ~ Doug S. > > > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 8:52 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Definitely. I can put slides up on the website. I've got Steve's and Cliff's. > > > > > > > > On Friday, October 22, 2021, 08:44:48 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Jon, After reading posts from all the others over the years, I think it adds a lot to see them on the screen. > > Maybe next year? > > > > Rick > > > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 1:55 PM Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Most of the Zoom meetings that I have attended and there are more than 10 others on camera it causes a significant increase in bandwidth usage. This causes the speaker's video to lag and become jerky. > > > > Agreed that it is a better meeting when everyone is on video, but muted in order to avoid distracting background noises. > > > > This was a terrific session, very close to being there together. But unfortunate that we could not all participate with lunch and dinner and off line discussions. Unfortunately, I missed the first hour. I was able to take screen photos of various slides for further study. > > > > Looking forward the next one, in person or online! > > > > Tim > > > > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 3:59 PM > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender > > > > Rick, totally up to each person if they want to be on video or not. A lot of our members are still working for a living so difficult for them to hook up on a weekday but unfortunately a weekday was all I could book for a meeting room. > > > > I did not record any of the material. Steve suggested it to me but my hands were full just trying to keep the audio going. That might be possible in future if we can find a zoom-master to run the online meeting. > > > > Jon > > > > > > On Friday, October 22, 2021, 01:45:28 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > > > > Hi Jon, I tuned in towards the end of the event as I am 6 hours away but it was great to be able to use the zoom format for the first time due to those who would like to be there but couldnt' for some reason. > > Do you have a list of who was able to show up via Zoom? I didn't see some of the regulars like Hank, Sean, Vance as well as some of the others. I hope that we can start doing that every year. When I was on, there were about 6 others that were on as well but no one had their cameras turned on so I didn't either. 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Of course, it?s very different for streamlined subs like the Nektons. On Oct 26, 2021, at 8:01 PM, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ?The other option is the alongside tow, where as Hank pointed out the intent is to actually create a composite unit, with the tow vessel secured alongside but as far aft as possible againt the towed vessel, with lines secured to points at the fore and aft extents on the towed vessel, plus laterally to make the tow rigging effectively rigid. The tow vessel then just acts as a propulsor of the composite. This works well when the tow vessel is small compared to the towed, and has the added advantage of being able to maneouver the composite as though it were a single large vessel, with steerage and reversing, etc. Sean -------- Original Message -------- On Oct. 26, 2021, 17:49, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: Depends... How patient are you? ;-) Provided you have a long enough tow line that your discharge thrust isn't working against you, it will move, but you're not going anywhere fast with 9.9 hp. I have towed partially submerged sailboats with 90 hp in the past and still not moved faster than I could swim. Consider the 9.9 an emergency shepherding option. Sean -------- Original Message -------- On Oct. 26, 2021, 17:25, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: Have to admit I'm a bit out-of-the-loop regarding boats and towing, but curiosity is getting the best of me, how capable is a lightweight inflatable of towing a 3-5k pound sub through the water? Jon On Tuesday, October 26, 2021, 04:53:01 PM EDT, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Just a quick reminder that while total available power of an outboard is an important consideration, for towing purposes one should also consider the suitability of the installed propellor. Out of the crate, most small outboards come equipped with a screw optimized for top speed (3 blade, highly cupped, highly raked, aggressive pitch), where, for example, a 5-bladed prop with lower pitch wouldn't have the same speed capability on plane but would be much better suited to towing. Could potentially be an easy change to make / procure. Sean -------- Original Message -------- On Oct. 26, 2021, 14:26, Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: This is unfortunate news, Doug. At least your 9.9 is available in the meantime. Best of luck. Tim ? From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 8:10 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender ? Well friends, it would seem that perhaps I spoke too soon when I offered?the services of the?new Zodiac at next year's event in Michigan. The boat itself?is actually inbound this week via truck freight. It had no delays at port because coming in from Europe, it entered the country on the Atlantic side and avoided the major snafu currently plaguing our Pacific coast ports. But I've run into a snag with the motor... Major ordering backlogs with almost all new outboards! I had my sights set on a Yamaha 25-hp short shaft, tiller-operated outboard due to the high-efficiency motor and great power:weight ratio but it looks like if I order one right now, it'll be a 6 to 9 month lead-time due to major supply chain disruptions. I'll be meeting with my local Yamaha dealer tomorrow to discuss options but at this point it looks like I have two viable?routes: order now and wait -or- look for a decent used engine for sale. I do have a 9.9-hp outboard that I could use in the interim?if I decide to order a new motor and wait it out, but for the purpose of towing subs I think a 25-hp is necessary. I'll keep you all apprised of progress with the new boat, but wow I am disappointed that so many different things I used to take for granted (that you could just go out and buy) are getting very difficult to find. Not good. ~ Doug S.? ? On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 8:52 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Definitely.? I can put slides up on the website.? I've got Steve's and Cliff's. ? ? ? On Friday, October 22, 2021, 08:44:48 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? ? Thanks Jon, After reading posts from all the others over the years, I think it adds a lot to see them on the screen. Maybe next year? ? Rick ? On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 1:55 PM Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Most of the Zoom meetings that I have attended and there are more than 10 others on camera it causes a significant increase in bandwidth usage.? This causes the speaker's video to lag and become jerky. ? Agreed that it is a better meeting when everyone is on video, but muted in order to avoid distracting background noises. ? This was a terrific session, very close to being there together.? But unfortunate that we could not all participate with lunch and dinner and off line discussions.? Unfortunately, I missed the first hour.? I was able to take screen photos of various slides for further study. ? Looking forward the next one, in person or online! ? Tim ? From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 3:59 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender ? Rick, totally up to each person if they want to be on video or not.? A lot of our members are still working for a living so difficult for them to hook up on a weekday but unfortunately a weekday was all I could book for a meeting room. ? I did not record any of the material.? Steve suggested it to me but my hands were full just trying to keep the audio going.? That might be possible in future if we can find a zoom-master to run the online meeting. ? Jon ? ? On Friday, October 22, 2021, 01:45:28 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? ? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Oct 26 22:21:49 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 22:21:49 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender In-Reply-To: <1016990348.2061626.1635300119734@mail.yahoo.com> References: <66AE30C7-FBF3-4639-85F7-3376E88B6442@gmail.com> <1016990348.2061626.1635300119734@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: This is turning into a really thought-provoking thread! Thanks for all the helpful suggestions, ideas, links (Alec), etc. Perhaps it is worth considering a smaller engine (either sticking with the 9.9 or maybe getting a 15). One problem is that I don't have a specific mission in mind so much as a desire for the most useful platform possible while still maintaining a high degree of convenience and portability. Those who attended the 2013 convention in Islamorada will remember my dad building a tow post in the Boston Whaler to aid in pulling Snoopy out onto the ocean side. It seemed to work alright but the concept could definitely stand some refinement. I might try to develop a similar tow post that would mount in the Zodiac to aid in control while towing (it would likely be stayed from the bow and amidships. As Hank mentions, perhaps 'pushing' is an inflatable's natural calling. Sean makes a good point with prop choice as well. All great considerations... a lot to think about. ~ Doug On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 10:02 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > K600 was 3.4hp. MK101's are 1.9hp. We have a formula on website, its > just amps x voltage / 746 > > PSUBS.ORG > > PSUBS.ORG > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, October 26, 2021, 08:13:55 PM EDT, Alec Smyth via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > A K350 stern thruster is how many HP? Not sure, but you can probably count > them on one hand. Yet they move along quite well, I think at 3 knots. I > don?t think I?ve ever got past 4 knots no matter how big the tow boat! The > sub just misbehaves in every way beyond that. Of course, it?s very > different for streamlined subs like the Nektons. > > > > On Oct 26, 2021, at 8:01 PM, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > ?The other option is the alongside tow, where as Hank pointed out the > intent is to actually create a composite unit, with the tow vessel secured > alongside but as far aft as possible againt the towed vessel, with lines > secured to points at the fore and aft extents on the towed vessel, plus > laterally to make the tow rigging effectively rigid. The tow vessel then > just acts as a propulsor of the composite. This works well when the tow > vessel is small compared to the towed, and has the added advantage of being > able to maneouver the composite as though it were a single large vessel, > with steerage and reversing, etc. > > Sean > > -------- Original Message -------- > On Oct. 26, 2021, 17:49, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Depends... How patient are you? ;-) > > Provided you have a long enough tow line that your discharge thrust isn't > working against you, it will move, but you're not going anywhere fast with > 9.9 hp. I have towed partially submerged sailboats with 90 hp in the past > and still not moved faster than I could swim. Consider the 9.9 an emergency > shepherding option. > > Sean > > -------- Original Message -------- > On Oct. 26, 2021, 17:25, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Have to admit I'm a bit out-of-the-loop regarding boats and towing, but > curiosity is getting the best of me, how capable is a lightweight > inflatable of towing a 3-5k pound sub through the water? > > Jon > > > On Tuesday, October 26, 2021, 04:53:01 PM EDT, Sean T. Stevenson via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Just a quick reminder that while total available power of an outboard is > an important consideration, for towing purposes one should also consider > the suitability of the installed propellor. Out of the crate, most small > outboards come equipped with a screw optimized for top speed (3 blade, > highly cupped, highly raked, aggressive pitch), where, for example, a > 5-bladed prop with lower pitch wouldn't have the same speed capability on > plane but would be much better suited to towing. Could potentially be an > easy change to make / procure. > > Sean > > > -------- Original Message -------- > On Oct. 26, 2021, 14:26, Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > This is unfortunate news, Doug. At least your 9.9 is available in the > meantime. > > Best of luck. > > Tim > > > > *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: > personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *Douglas Suhr via > Personal_Submersibles > *Sent:* Monday, October 25, 2021 8:10 PM > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender > > > > Well friends, it would seem that perhaps I spoke too soon when I > offered the services of the new Zodiac at next year's event in Michigan. > The boat itself is actually inbound this week via truck freight. It had no > delays at port because coming in from Europe, it entered the country on the > Atlantic side and avoided the major snafu currently plaguing our Pacific > coast ports. But I've run into a snag with the motor... Major ordering > backlogs with almost all new outboards! I had my sights set on a Yamaha > 25-hp short shaft, tiller-operated outboard due to the high-efficiency > motor and great power:weight ratio but it looks like if I order one right > now, it'll be a 6 to 9 month lead-time due to major supply chain > disruptions. I'll be meeting with my local Yamaha dealer tomorrow to > discuss options but at this point it looks like I have two viable routes: > order now and wait -or- look for a decent used engine for sale. I do have a > 9.9-hp outboard that I could use in the interim if I decide to order a new > motor and wait it out, but for the purpose of towing subs I think a 25-hp > is necessary. I'll keep you all apprised of progress with the new boat, but > wow I am disappointed that so many different things I used to take for > granted (that you could just go out and buy) are getting very difficult to > find. Not good. ~ Doug S. > > > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 8:52 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Definitely. I can put slides up on the website. I've got Steve's and > Cliff's. > > > > > > > > On Friday, October 22, 2021, 08:44:48 PM EDT, Rick Patton via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Jon, After reading posts from all the others over the years, I > think it adds a lot to see them on the screen. > > Maybe next year? > > > > Rick > > > > On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 1:55 PM Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Most of the Zoom meetings that I have attended and there are more than 10 > others on camera it causes a significant increase in bandwidth usage. This > causes the speaker's video to lag and become jerky. > > > > Agreed that it is a better meeting when everyone is on video, but muted in > order to avoid distracting background noises. > > > > This was a terrific session, very close to being there together. But > unfortunate that we could not all participate with lunch and dinner and off > line discussions. Unfortunately, I missed the first hour. I was able to > take screen photos of various slides for further study. > > > > Looking forward the next one, in person or online! > > > > Tim > > > > *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: > personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *Jon Wallace via > Personal_Submersibles > *Sent:* Friday, October 22, 2021 3:59 PM > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender > > > > Rick, totally up to each person if they want to be on video or not. A lot > of our members are still working for a living so difficult for them to hook > up on a weekday but unfortunately a weekday was all I could book for a > meeting room. > > > > I did not record any of the material. Steve suggested it to me but my > hands were full just trying to keep the audio going. That might be > possible in future if we can find a zoom-master to run the online meeting. > > > > Jon > > > > > > On Friday, October 22, 2021, 01:45:28 PM EDT, Rick Patton via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > > > > Hi Jon, I tuned in towards the end of the event as I am 6 hours away but > it was great to be able to use the zoom format for the first time due to > those who would like to be there but couldnt' for some reason. > > Do you have a list of who was able to show up via Zoom? I didn't see some > of the regulars like Hank, Sean, Vance as well as some of the others. I > hope that we can start doing that every year. When I was on, there were > about 6 others that were on as well but no one had their cameras turned on > so I didn't either. Was there a reason as it would be nice to see everyone > as well. > > Rick > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Oct 27 08:54:09 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2021 12:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender In-Reply-To: References: <2039772363.785718.1634943557900@mail.yahoo.com> <007701d7c7a0$259f7160$70de5420$@telus.net> <1702589145.808536.1634950308312@mail.yahoo.com> <00d201d7caa7$b6b2cf80$24186e80$@telus.net> <976713337.2007019.1635290729926@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <377079463.986536.1635339249509@mail.yahoo.com> Sean,This would be the hip tow. As I said, George Kittredge used to hip tow his subs all around with a small inflatable and a 5 hp motor. You tube has a few examples of suggested rigging and whatnot.Vance -----Original Message----- From: Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sent: Tue, Oct 26, 2021 8:00 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender The other option is the alongside tow, where as Hank pointed out the intent is to actually create a composite unit, with the tow vessel secured alongside but as far aft as possible againt the towed vessel, with lines secured to points at the fore and aft extents on the towed vessel, plus laterally to make the tow rigging effectively rigid. The tow vessel then just acts as a propulsor of the composite. This works well when the tow vessel is small compared to the towed, and has the added advantage of being able to maneouver the composite as though it were a single large vessel, with steerage and reversing, etc. Sean -------- Original Message -------- On Oct. 26, 2021, 17:49, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: Depends... How patient are you? ;-) Provided you have a long enough tow line that your discharge thrust isn't working against you, it will move, but you're not going anywhere fast with 9.9 hp. I have towed partially submerged sailboats with 90 hp in the past and still not moved faster than I could swim. Consider the 9.9 an emergency shepherding option. Sean -------- Original Message -------- On Oct. 26, 2021, 17:25, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: Have to admit I'm a bit out-of-the-loop regarding boats and towing, but curiosity is getting the best of me, how capable is a lightweight inflatable of towing a 3-5k pound sub through the water? Jon On Tuesday, October 26, 2021, 04:53:01 PM EDT, Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Just a quick reminder that while total available power of an outboard is an important consideration, for towing purposes one should also consider the suitability of the installed propellor. Out of the crate, most small outboards come equipped with a screw optimized for top speed (3 blade, highly cupped, highly raked, aggressive pitch), where, for example, a 5-bladed prop with lower pitch wouldn't have the same speed capability on plane but would be much better suited to towing. Could potentially be an easy change to make / procure. Sean -------- Original Message -------- On Oct. 26, 2021, 14:26, Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: This is unfortunate news, Doug. At least your 9.9 is available in the meantime.Best of luck.Tim ?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 8:10 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender ?Well friends, it would seem that perhaps I spoke too soon when I offered?the services of the?new Zodiac at next year's event in Michigan. The boat itself?is actually inbound this week via truck freight. It had no delays at port because coming in from Europe, it entered the country on the Atlantic side and avoided the major snafu currently plaguing our Pacific coast ports. But I've run into a snag with the motor... Major ordering backlogs with almost all new outboards! I had my sights set on a Yamaha 25-hp short shaft, tiller-operated outboard due to the high-efficiency motor and great power:weight ratio but it looks like if I order one right now, it'll be a 6 to 9 month lead-time due to major supply chain disruptions. I'll be meeting with my local Yamaha dealer tomorrow to discuss options but at this point it looks like I have two viable?routes: order now and wait -or- look for a decent used engine for sale. I do have a 9.9-hp outboard that I could use in the interim?if I decide to order a new motor and wait it out, but for the purpose of towing subs I think a 25-hp is necessary. I'll keep you all apprised of progress with the new boat, but wow I am disappointed that so many different things I used to take for granted (that you could just go out and buy) are getting very difficult to find. Not good. ~ Doug S.? ?On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 8:52 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Definitely.? I can put slides up on the website.? I've got Steve's and Cliff's. ? ? ?On Friday, October 22, 2021, 08:44:48 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? ?Thanks Jon, After reading posts from all the others over the years, I think it adds a lot to see them on the screen.Maybe next year? ?Rick ?On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 1:55 PM Tim Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Most of the Zoom meetings that I have attended and there are more than 10 others on camera it causes a significant increase in bandwidth usage.? This causes the speaker's video to lag and become jerky. ?Agreed that it is a better meeting when everyone is on video, but muted in order to avoid distracting background noises.?This was a terrific session, very close to being there together.? But unfortunate that we could not all participate with lunch and dinner and off line discussions.? Unfortunately, I missed the first hour.? I was able to take screen photos of various slides for further study.?Looking forward the next one, in person or online!?Tim?From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 3:59 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New Asset - Zodiac Cadet 390 Tender?Rick, totally up to each person if they want to be on video or not.? A lot of our members are still working for a living so difficult for them to hook up on a weekday but unfortunately a weekday was all I could book for a meeting room.?I did not record any of the material.? Steve suggested it to me but my hands were full just trying to keep the audio going.? That might be possible in future if we can find a zoom-master to run the online meeting.?Jon??On Friday, October 22, 2021, 01:45:28 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ??Hi Jon, I tuned in towards?the end of the event as I am 6 hours away but it was great to be able to use the zoom format for the first time due to those who would like to be there but couldnt' for some reason.Do you have a list of who was able to show up via Zoom? I didn't see some of the?regulars like Hank, Sean, Vance as well as some of the others. I hope that we can start doing that every year. When I was on, there were about 6 others that were on as well but no one had their cameras turned on so I didn't either. 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Jon On Thursday, October 28, 2021, 07:41:02 PM EDT, Michael Holt via Personal_Submersibles wrote: In the? current issue of MAKE magazine, there's an article called "Fresh Air."? Instructions for making several different monitor start on page 24.? One of them is small enough to fit into a large finger ring.? I've not done anything like that for 40 years, so I'm not going to think about evaluating it. The article is "ROBO-BOAT."? That's about an autonomous boat. $14.99, so it's a bit expensive for a magazine. _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Oct 29 10:45:46 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 09:45:46 -0500 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] DIY CO2 monitors In-Reply-To: <1989562032.2983053.1635514969624@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1989562032.2983053.1635514969624@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Actually this sensor looks pretty good. Gets humidly and temperature as well. 3% accuracy is a bit weak. Worth considering. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 29, 2021, at 8:44 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > ? > Thanks for the tip. The Sensirion SCD30 costs about $60 compared to the GSS Cozir I have been using at $109. Specifications from datasheet look similar although the SCD30 shows a lifetime of 15 years compared to COZIR which shows 5 years. Big advantage if true, but we better get one going soon because a lot of us aren't going to be around, or will be in our own la-la land, by 2036 when it comes time to see if it's still working accurately. Great selling point for us senior members..."the last CO2 sensor you'll ever need!" :) :) > > Jon > > > On Thursday, October 28, 2021, 07:41:02 PM EDT, Michael Holt via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > In the current issue of MAKE magazine, there's an article called "Fresh Air." Instructions for making several different monitor start on page 24. One of them is small enough to fit into a large finger ring. I've not done anything like that for 40 years, so I'm not going to think about evaluating it. > > The article is "ROBO-BOAT." 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Oct 29 11:30:37 2021 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 15:30:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] DIY CO2 monitors In-Reply-To: References: <1989562032.2983053.1635514969624@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1905515641.3031127.1635521437450@mail.yahoo.com> For what it's worth, I have been monitoring CO2 in my house with my SEM analyzer and I'm averaging 2000ppm throughout the day.? This is in Florida so the windows and doors are always closed relying on AC. Also worth noting is Steve McQueen's results in his K-250 without life support.? He reached 5000ppm at 14 minutes duration, 10000ppm at 30 minutes duration.? Note that these results were "at rest". On Friday, October 29, 2021, 10:47:45 AM EDT, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Actually this sensor looks pretty good. Gets humidly and temperature ?as well. 3% accuracy is a bit weak. ?Worth considering.? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2021, at 8:44 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? Thanks for the tip.? The Sensirion SCD30 costs about $60 compared to the GSS Cozir I have been using at $109.? Specifications from datasheet look similar although the SCD30 shows a lifetime of 15 years compared to COZIR which shows 5 years.? Big advantage if true, but we better get one going soon because a lot of us aren't going to be around, or will be in our own la-la land, by 2036 when it comes time to see if it's still working accurately.? Great selling point for us senior members..."the last CO2 sensor you'll ever need!"? ?:)? ?:)?? Jon On Thursday, October 28, 2021, 07:41:02 PM EDT, Michael Holt via Personal_Submersibles wrote: In the? current issue of MAKE magazine, there's an article called "Fresh Air."? Instructions for making several different monitor start on page 24.? One of them is small enough to fit into a large finger ring.? I've not done anything like that for 40 years, so I'm not going to think about evaluating it. The article is "ROBO-BOAT."? That's about an autonomous boat. $14.99, so it's a bit expensive for a magazine. _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I miss them, Ken From: Personal_Submersibles On Behalf Of Michael Holt via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2021 6:03 PM To: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] DIY CO2 monitors For me, a very interesting thing is that Forrest Mims designed one of the monitors, and he refers to a Radio Shack part. I thought Radio Shack was long gone (like Fawcett Publications, Herbach and Rademan, J. J. Meshna, and others). It exists: https://www.radioshack.com/ I also thought Mims was a lot older than he turned out to be: http://www.forrestmims.org/biography.html That issue of Make also has an article on a shark tracker. That might suggest some other underwater projects. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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