[PSUBS-MAILIST] Personal_Submersibles Digest, Vol 91, Issue 23

Wed Jan 6 20:50:45 EST 2021

I know that TowboatUS in miami has several crane-equipped barges and small
flat-decked tugs that are available for rent. They have an overview of
their fleet on their website. Someone should look into what a weekends
charter would cost, how many subs could be carried, and what the
approximate cost-per-dive would be. You could probably get 12 hours per day
of diving, barring bad weather.

Ideally, any operation in the keys would avoid the hot tropical weather of
high-summer and late-summer to winter hurricane season

River J Dolfi
Rdolfi7 at gmail.com

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021, 6:11 PM via Personal_Submersibles <
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> From: Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles
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> To: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles
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> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2021
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>  Jon, I would be willing to split the barge cost.? Say we had 10 members
> attend, that would cut this to $250 each.? My experience with R300 diving
> off Islamorada is the tow out is a killer and time consuming.? Also the
> best diving is off the wall which is on the order of 5 miles off the coast.
> Water visibility improved remarkably as you got near the drop off.? With
> Shackleton coming, this changes things a bit in that she can be towed out
> unmanned and swap out passengers over the dive site.? But for smaller
> boats, a barge would make life a lot better.? It would be great if you
> could get an update and cost and availability of this barge you are talking
> about.
> Diving on one or more of the wrecks you note sounds great.
> Everyone coming in for the convention will come through Miami which is
> near Sebastian.? Maybe we would arrange a tour of Triton on the first
> afternoon as people make their way to Islamorada.
> Cliff
>     On Wednesday, January 6, 2021, 02:14:40 PM CST, Jon Wallace via
> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
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>   Speigel Grove and Duane are the two larger ships forming artificial
> reefs in the Keys.? Both are about 6-7 miles East of Key Largo.? The
> biggest is the Vandenburg 7 miles southeast of Key West.? Key Largo is a 15
> minute drive from Islamorada, Key West is 2-hour drive from Islamorada.
> The estimate I got for a barge (with crane up to 5000 pound load) in the
> Keys was $2500/day.? He was out of Big Pine Key which an hour drive from
> Islamorada.? He thought he could fit three subs but I believe I saw the
> barge in Key Largo last year and it looked to me like it would fit two.?
> Maybe the one he was referencing was a larger barge.? I don't recall how
> much room there was left for observers/divers once the subs are loaded but
> can find out.? If you're really serious I can inquire again but it's not
> going to be cheap.
> I'm going through Sebastion on my way south so maybe I'll stop into Triton
> and talk with them if my schedule allows it, otherwise I'll call later and
> ask if they would be willing to host a tour there.? It's a good 4.5 hour
> drive to Sebastian from the Keys so might make sense to have an overnight
> there or just seek individual tours when you are arrive or leave the state.
> Jon
>
>
>     On Wednesday, January 6, 2021, 12:05:02 PM EST, Cliff Redus via
> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
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>   David, the wreck dive we discussed is the USS Oriskany.? It is about 20
> miles south of Pensacola Florida in about 200 ft of water so out for as a
> possible dive location for PC2021.? Wow, California to the Keys with a sub,
> I thought Texas to the Keys was long!? How are you planning to transport
> the sub?
> Jon, I like October for PC2021.? Last couple of summer Psub conventions
> have been very hot during on tows.? It also gives more time for getting the
> Covid 19 under control.? I like the idea of splitting the cost to rent a
> barge that we could load out a sub and tow to a dive site over a wreck. It
> would be great if the Suhr's could host again.? Doug's Boston Whaler was
> terrific as tender and their place was an absolutely perfect base.? (No
> pressure Doug)
> I would like to see us plan an excursion to Triton subs
> in?Sebastian,?Florida.
> Cliff
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> One cautionary note on the wrecks. We've researched that in the past, and
> you will find some videos in which the current has divers flapping in the
> wind, while in others at the same dive site all is calm. Apparently the
> current is just highly variable and just depends on the day.
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> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 3:54 PM Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>
> > Jon, I would be willing to split the barge cost.  Say we had 10 members
> > attend, that would cut this to $250 each.  My experience with R300 diving
> > off Islamorada is the tow out is a killer and time consuming.  Also the
> > best diving is off the wall which is on the order of 5 miles off the
> coast.
> > Water visibility improved remarkably as you got near the drop off.  With
> > Shackleton coming, this changes things a bit in that she can be towed out
> > unmanned and swap out passengers over the dive site.  But for smaller
> > boats, a barge would make life a lot better.  It would be great if you
> > could get an update and cost and availability of this barge you are
> talking
> > about.
> >
> > Diving on one or more of the wrecks you note sounds great.
> >
> > Everyone coming in for the convention will come through Miami which is
> > near Sebastian.  Maybe we would arrange a tour of Triton on the first
> > afternoon as people make their way to Islamorada.
> >
> > Cliff
> >
> > On Wednesday, January 6, 2021, 02:14:40 PM CST, Jon Wallace via
> > Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Speigel Grove and Duane are the two larger ships forming artificial reefs
> > in the Keys.  Both are about 6-7 miles East of Key Largo.  The biggest is
> > the Vandenburg 7 miles southeast of Key West.  Key Largo is a 15 minute
> > drive from Islamorada, Key West is 2-hour drive from Islamorada.
> >
> > The estimate I got for a barge (with crane up to 5000 pound load) in the
> > Keys was $2500/day.  He was out of Big Pine Key which an hour drive from
> > Islamorada.  He thought he could fit three subs but I believe I saw the
> > barge in Key Largo last year and it looked to me like it would fit two.
> > Maybe the one he was referencing was a larger barge.  I don't recall how
> > much room there was left for observers/divers once the subs are loaded
> but
> > can find out.  If you're really serious I can inquire again but it's not
> > going to be cheap.
> >
> > I'm going through Sebastion on my way south so maybe I'll stop into
> Triton
> > and talk with them if my schedule allows it, otherwise I'll call later
> and
> > ask if they would be willing to host a tour there.  It's a good 4.5 hour
> > drive to Sebastian from the Keys so might make sense to have an overnight
> > there or just seek individual tours when you are arrive or leave the
> state.
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, January 6, 2021, 12:05:02 PM EST, Cliff Redus via
> > Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > David, the wreck dive we discussed is the USS Oriskany.  It is about 20
> > miles south of Pensacola Florida in about 200 ft of water so out for as a
> > possible dive location for PC2021.  Wow, California to the Keys with a
> sub,
> > I thought Texas to the Keys was long!  How are you planning to transport
> > the sub?
> >
> > Jon, I like October for PC2021.  Last couple of summer Psub conventions
> > have been very hot during on tows.  It also gives more time for getting
> the
> > Covid 19 under control.  I like the idea of splitting the cost to rent a
> > barge that we could load out a sub and tow to a dive site over a wreck.
> It
> > would be great if the Suhr's could host again.  Doug's Boston Whaler was
> > terrific as tender and their place was an absolutely perfect base.  (No
> > pressure Doug)
> >
> > I would like to see us plan an excursion to Triton subs in Sebastian,
> > Florida.
> >
> > Cliff
> >
> >
> >
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