From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jul 1 20:52:09 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 17:52:09 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor Progress - Exoskeleton In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Guys, worked on foam forms on the exoskeleton this weekend. Started to move them from the jig to dry fitting on the pressure hull. I knew that I was going to have to raise the landing platform on the trailer by 6" so that the wings would clear the fender wells. Looks like I will have to remove the fenders temporarily until i get my hoist up and assembled to lift the hull off the trailer. Starting look like the real thing now. Also mocked up the rear thrusters on the jig to work out the linkage configuration. Best Regards David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I knew that I was going to have to raise the landing platform on the trailer by 6" so that the wings would clear the fender wells. Looks like I will have to remove the fenders temporarily until i get my hoist up and assembled to lift the hull off the trailer. Starting look like the real thing now. > Also mocked up the rear thrusters on the jig to work out the linkage configuration. > > > Best Regards > David > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jul 2 13:33:39 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 10:33:39 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor Progress - Exoskeleton In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001c01d530fc$4a1f6140$de5e23c0$@telus.net> It looks great, David. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 5:52 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor Progress - Exoskeleton Hi Guys, worked on foam forms on the exoskeleton this weekend. Started to move them from the jig to dry fitting on the pressure hull. I knew that I was going to have to raise the landing platform on the trailer by 6" so that the wings would clear the fender wells. Looks like I will have to remove the fenders temporarily until i get my hoist up and assembled to lift the hull off the trailer. Starting look like the real thing now. Also mocked up the rear thrusters on the jig to work out the linkage configuration. Best Regards David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jul 2 14:29:13 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 11:29:13 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor Progress - Exoskeleton In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003701d53104$0d50b180$27f21480$@telus.net> Davidy, do you have a first dive date in mind? Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 5:52 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor Progress - Exoskeleton Hi Guys, worked on foam forms on the exoskeleton this weekend. Started to move them from the jig to dry fitting on the pressure hull. I knew that I was going to have to raise the landing platform on the trailer by 6" so that the wings would clear the fender wells. Looks like I will have to remove the fenders temporarily until i get my hoist up and assembled to lift the hull off the trailer. Starting look like the real thing now. Also mocked up the rear thrusters on the jig to work out the linkage configuration. Best Regards David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jul 2 17:10:11 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 14:10:11 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor Progress - Exoskeleton In-Reply-To: <003701d53104$0d50b180$27f21480$@telus.net> References: <003701d53104$0d50b180$27f21480$@telus.net> Message-ID: Hi Tim, Looks like the first not next year. Domes wont be done till late September. I cant cut the final SS hatch rings until I have the domes are delivered due to tolerence dimensions. So in the mean time I work on other parts to keep it moving forward. Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 11:30 AM T Novak via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Davidy, do you have a first dive date in mind? > > Tim > > > > *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: > personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *David Colombo via > Personal_Submersibles > *Sent:* Monday, July 1, 2019 5:52 PM > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor Progress - Exoskeleton > > > > Hi Guys, worked on foam forms on the exoskeleton this weekend. Started to > move them from the jig to dry fitting on the pressure hull. I knew that I > was going to have to raise the landing platform on the trailer by 6" so > that the wings would clear the fender wells. Looks like I will have to > remove the fenders temporarily until i get my hoist up and assembled to > lift the hull off the trailer. Starting look like the real thing now. > > Also mocked up the rear thrusters on the jig to work out the linkage > configuration. > > > > > > Best Regards > > David > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jul 2 17:24:43 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 15:24:43 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor Progress - Exoskeleton In-Reply-To: References: <003701d53104$0d50b180$27f21480$@telus.net> Message-ID: <223D326B-6CE6-492A-BFE3-9E73E26F13AF@yahoo.ca> Looking good David. Your going to be a real fibreglass pro when your done if not already Hank Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 2, 2019, at 3:10 PM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi Tim, Looks like the first not next year. Domes wont be done till late September. I cant cut the final SS hatch rings until I have the domes are delivered due to tolerence dimensions. So in the mean time I work on other parts to keep it moving forward. > > Best Regards, > David Colombo > > 804 College Ave > Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 > (707) 536-1424 > www.SeaQuestor.com > > > >> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 11:30 AM T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Davidy, do you have a first dive date in mind? >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles >> Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 5:52 PM >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor Progress - Exoskeleton >> >> >> >> Hi Guys, worked on foam forms on the exoskeleton this weekend. Started to move them from the jig to dry fitting on the pressure hull. I knew that I was going to have to raise the landing platform on the trailer by 6" so that the wings would clear the fender wells. Looks like I will have to remove the fenders temporarily until i get my hoist up and assembled to lift the hull off the trailer. Starting look like the real thing now. >> >> Also mocked up the rear thrusters on the jig to work out the linkage configuration. >> >> >> >> >> >> Best Regards >> >> David >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jul 2 17:26:18 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 14:26:18 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor Progress - Exoskeleton In-Reply-To: References: <003701d53104$0d50b180$27f21480$@telus.net> Message-ID: <000501d5311c$ca6723e0$5f356ba0$@telus.net> Good plan, David. You work and progress is amazing. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 2:10 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor Progress - Exoskeleton Hi Tim, Looks like the first not next year. Domes wont be done till late September. I cant cut the final SS hatch rings until I have the domes are delivered due to tolerence dimensions. So in the mean time I work on other parts to keep it moving forward. Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 11:30 AM T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Davidy, do you have a first dive date in mind? Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org ] On Behalf Of David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Monday, July 1, 2019 5:52 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor Progress - Exoskeleton Hi Guys, worked on foam forms on the exoskeleton this weekend. Started to move them from the jig to dry fitting on the pressure hull. I knew that I was going to have to raise the landing platform on the trailer by 6" so that the wings would clear the fender wells. Looks like I will have to remove the fenders temporarily until i get my hoist up and assembled to lift the hull off the trailer. Starting look like the real thing now. Also mocked up the rear thrusters on the jig to work out the linkage configuration. Best Regards David _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyway, I went ahead with the compensation just to see how everything would react together.? It went together well and if you saw my video on this LED fixture, the seal worked perfectly as I expected it would. Second, kudos to Alan, he was spot on regarding the wicking of oil through the wiring.? And it didn't take but minutes in this case.? I did not take the unit apart to the point of seeing how the wire enters the housing and I'm sure this can be modified, however I noticed within minutes there was oil escaping through the power connector pins.? See attached photos.? That shiny side inside the power connector is not nice new shiny plastic, it's Marvel Mystery Oil seeping through (I suspect) the outer wire insulation. I think my experimentation is done and I'm ready to endorse the Pronk LED modification to happy lighting under the sea.? You know, some of us have to learn the hard way. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Alec On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 5:44 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Decided to oil compensate my RoadShock LED from Harbor Freight today, with > a few surprises that ultimately caused me to abandon it for now. > > First, umm...well, did ya all know that Marvel Mystery Oil has a ruby red > color to it? :) :) I have to admit, I am well aware of the product but > have never used it. Since it was highly recommended for oil compensation I > purchased some and just assumed it was a clear liquid like mineral oil > packaged in a red transparent bottle. Nope. Imagine my surprise when I > poured it into the LED fixture and discovered the gorgeous ruby red color > of the oil. Mmmmm....pretty. Anyway, I went ahead with the compensation > just to see how everything would react together. It went together well and > if you saw my video on this LED fixture, the seal worked perfectly as I > expected it would. > > Second, kudos to Alan, he was spot on regarding the wicking of oil through > the wiring. And it didn't take but minutes in this case. I did not take > the unit apart to the point of seeing how the wire enters the housing and > I'm sure this can be modified, however I noticed within minutes there was > oil escaping through the power connector pins. See attached photos. That > shiny side inside the power connector is not nice new shiny plastic, it's > Marvel Mystery Oil seeping through (I suspect) the outer wire insulation. > > I think my experimentation is done and I'm ready to endorse the Pronk LED > modification to happy lighting under the sea. You know, some of us have to > learn the hard way. > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jul 2 19:53:03 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 19:53:03 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor Progress - Exoskeleton In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I really enjoy following your progress -- I get all the excitement without any of the work involved! Great job!!! Best, Alec On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 8:54 PM David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi Guys, worked on foam forms on the exoskeleton this weekend. Started to > move them from the jig to dry fitting on the pressure hull. I knew that I > was going to have to raise the landing platform on the trailer by 6" so > that the wings would clear the fender wells. Looks like I will have to > remove the fenders temporarily until i get my hoist up and assembled to > lift the hull off the trailer. Starting look like the real thing now. > Also mocked up the rear thrusters on the jig to work out the linkage > configuration. > > > Best Regards > David > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jul 2 20:30:55 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 12:30:55 +1200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Oil Comp Lessons - so far In-Reply-To: <713285816.2040504.1562103810920@mail.yahoo.com> References: <713285816.2040504.1562103810920.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <713285816.2040504.1562103810920@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jon, I have been using silicone oil to compensate my thrusters because everything else I tried was detrimental to plastic & rubber. The marvel mystery oil is probably a very low viscosity & that would contribute to the wicking. Other oil filled lights I have seen ( including Nuytco's ) have had clear plastic tubing around the wires that compresses under pressure, equalising the housing. I vaguely remember the Nuytco technician telling me they clamp a clip on the tubing to initiate it's collapse under pressure. Alan > On 3/07/2019, at 9:43 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Decided to oil compensate my RoadShock LED from Harbor Freight today, with a few surprises that ultimately caused me to abandon it for now. > > First, umm...well, did ya all know that Marvel Mystery Oil has a ruby red color to it? :) :) I have to admit, I am well aware of the product but have never used it. Since it was highly recommended for oil compensation I purchased some and just assumed it was a clear liquid like mineral oil packaged in a red transparent bottle. Nope. Imagine my surprise when I poured it into the LED fixture and discovered the gorgeous ruby red color of the oil. Mmmmm....pretty. Anyway, I went ahead with the compensation just to see how everything would react together. It went together well and if you saw my video on this LED fixture, the seal worked perfectly as I expected it would. > > Second, kudos to Alan, he was spot on regarding the wicking of oil through the wiring. And it didn't take but minutes in this case. I did not take the unit apart to the point of seeing how the wire enters the housing and I'm sure this can be modified, however I noticed within minutes there was oil escaping through the power connector pins. See attached photos. That shiny side inside the power connector is not nice new shiny plastic, it's Marvel Mystery Oil seeping through (I suspect) the outer wire insulation. > > I think my experimentation is done and I'm ready to endorse the Pronk LED modification to happy lighting under the sea. You know, some of us have to learn the hard way. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jul 2 21:04:12 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 01:04:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Oil Comp Lessons - so far In-Reply-To: References: <713285816.2040504.1562103810920.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <713285816.2040504.1562103810920@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1670505027.2129139.1562115852685@mail.yahoo.com> Good to know.? I was going to leave it and test the light to see what effect, if any, but when the cable started wicking I decided not to bother and emptied the oil. On Tuesday, July 2, 2019, 07:54:07 PM EDT, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Jon, The red is actually a plus! When you turn on the light you won't even notice it, the light will appear white. However, it'll help correct a little for the filtering out of red wavelengths underwater. If you recall, when we went up to Nuytco and saw their giant LED lights (and so many other things), they actually used a combination of white and red LEDs in an array, for the same reason you would use red oil.? Now as for the wicking... yep! Best, Alec On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 5:44 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Decided to oil compensate my RoadShock LED from Harbor Freight today, with a few surprises that ultimately caused me to abandon it for now. First, umm...well, did ya all know that Marvel Mystery Oil has a ruby red color to it?? :)? :)? I have to admit, I am well aware of the product but have never used it.? Since it was highly recommended for oil compensation I purchased some and just assumed it was a clear liquid like mineral oil packaged in a red transparent bottle.? Nope.? Imagine my surprise when I poured it into the LED fixture and discovered the gorgeous ruby red color of the oil.? Mmmmm....pretty.? Anyway, I went ahead with the compensation just to see how everything would react together.? It went together well and if you saw my video on this LED fixture, the seal worked perfectly as I expected it would. Second, kudos to Alan, he was spot on regarding the wicking of oil through the wiring.? And it didn't take but minutes in this case.? I did not take the unit apart to the point of seeing how the wire enters the housing and I'm sure this can be modified, however I noticed within minutes there was oil escaping through the power connector pins.? See attached photos.? That shiny side inside the power connector is not nice new shiny plastic, it's Marvel Mystery Oil seeping through (I suspect) the outer wire insulation. I think my experimentation is done and I'm ready to endorse the Pronk LED modification to happy lighting under the sea.? You know, some of us have to learn the hard way. _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jul 2 21:09:21 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 01:09:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Oil Comp Lessons - so far In-Reply-To: References: <713285816.2040504.1562103810920.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <713285816.2040504.1562103810920@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2035096520.2130627.1562116161363@mail.yahoo.com> I know that there was a big discussion on various oils in the past and somehow we concluded that MMO had no effect on wiring or gaskets.? You are correct, MMO is very low viscosity, almost like water.? I could have epoxied the wiring on the inside of the unit, but I'm not sure I can clean it sufficiently at this point to get a good bond.? I do recall Nyutco's oil comp of tubing for their electrical wires.? If I ever want to use this light I will need to take that route with it. Jon On Tuesday, July 2, 2019, 08:33:09 PM EDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Jon,I have been using silicone oil to compensate my thrusters because everythingelse I tried was detrimental to plastic & rubber.The marvel mystery oil is probably a very low viscosity & that would contributeto the wicking.?Other oil filled lights I have seen ( including Nuytco's ) have had clear plastic?tubing around the wires that compresses under pressure, equalising the housing.I vaguely remember the Nuytco technician telling me they clamp a clip on the?tubing to initiate it's collapse under pressure.Alan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jul 2 21:38:04 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 18:38:04 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Oil Comp Lessons - so far In-Reply-To: References: <713285816.2040504.1562103810920.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <713285816.2040504.1562103810920@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <006301d5313f$f5fcbe20$e1f63a60$@telus.net> Alan, Do you recall the type of oil Nuytco used in the tubing? Was it baby oil, or, as you suggest, silicon oil? Are either an environmental issue if leaked? Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 5:31 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Oil Comp Lessons - so far Jon, I have been using silicone oil to compensate my thrusters because everything else I tried was detrimental to plastic & rubber. The marvel mystery oil is probably a very low viscosity & that would contribute to the wicking. Other oil filled lights I have seen ( including Nuytco's ) have had clear plastic tubing around the wires that compresses under pressure, equalising the housing. I vaguely remember the Nuytco technician telling me they clamp a clip on the tubing to initiate it's collapse under pressure. Alan On 3/07/2019, at 9:43 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Decided to oil compensate my RoadShock LED from Harbor Freight today, with a few surprises that ultimately caused me to abandon it for now. First, umm...well, did ya all know that Marvel Mystery Oil has a ruby red color to it? :) :) I have to admit, I am well aware of the product but have never used it. Since it was highly recommended for oil compensation I purchased some and just assumed it was a clear liquid like mineral oil packaged in a red transparent bottle. Nope. Imagine my surprise when I poured it into the LED fixture and discovered the gorgeous ruby red color of the oil. Mmmmm....pretty. Anyway, I went ahead with the compensation just to see how everything would react together. It went together well and if you saw my video on this LED fixture, the seal worked perfectly as I expected it would. Second, kudos to Alan, he was spot on regarding the wicking of oil through the wiring. And it didn't take but minutes in this case. I did not take the unit apart to the point of seeing how the wire enters the housing and I'm sure this can be modified, however I noticed within minutes there was oil escaping through the power connector pins. See attached photos. That shiny side inside the power connector is not nice new shiny plastic, it's Marvel Mystery Oil seeping through (I suspect) the outer wire insulation. I think my experimentation is done and I'm ready to endorse the Pronk LED modification to happy lighting under the sea. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jul 3 04:12:01 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 20:12:01 +1200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Oil Comp Lessons - so far In-Reply-To: <006301d5313f$f5fcbe20$e1f63a60$@telus.net> References: <713285816.2040504.1562103810920.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <713285816.2040504.1562103810920@mail.yahoo.com> <006301d5313f$f5fcbe20$e1f63a60$@telus.net> Message-ID: <8039E20B-B4C8-4A6F-8784-4DF8EDC6FBA8@yahoo.com> Hi Tim, not sure what oil Nuytco was using. And can't comment on the environmental hazards other than saying that they do use baby oil on baby's bottoms so a lot of that would be going in to the environment. Alan > On 3/07/2019, at 1:38 PM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan, > Do you recall the type of oil Nuytco used in the tubing? Was it baby oil, or, as you suggest, silicon oil? Are either an environmental issue if leaked? > Tim > > From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan via Personal_Submersibles > Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 5:31 PM > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Oil Comp Lessons - so far > > Jon, > I have been using silicone oil to compensate my thrusters because everything > else I tried was detrimental to plastic & rubber. > The marvel mystery oil is probably a very low viscosity & that would contribute > to the wicking. > Other oil filled lights I have seen ( including Nuytco's ) have had clear plastic > tubing around the wires that compresses under pressure, equalising the housing. > I vaguely remember the Nuytco technician telling me they clamp a clip on the > tubing to initiate it's collapse under pressure. > Alan > > > On 3/07/2019, at 9:43 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Decided to oil compensate my RoadShock LED from Harbor Freight today, with a few surprises that ultimately caused me to abandon it for now. > > First, umm...well, did ya all know that Marvel Mystery Oil has a ruby red color to it? :) :) I have to admit, I am well aware of the product but have never used it. Since it was highly recommended for oil compensation I purchased some and just assumed it was a clear liquid like mineral oil packaged in a red transparent bottle. Nope. Imagine my surprise when I poured it into the LED fixture and discovered the gorgeous ruby red color of the oil. Mmmmm....pretty. Anyway, I went ahead with the compensation just to see how everything would react together. It went together well and if you saw my video on this LED fixture, the seal worked perfectly as I expected it would. > > Second, kudos to Alan, he was spot on regarding the wicking of oil through the wiring. And it didn't take but minutes in this case. I did not take the unit apart to the point of seeing how the wire enters the housing and I'm sure this can be modified, however I noticed within minutes there was oil escaping through the power connector pins. See attached photos. That shiny side inside the power connector is not nice new shiny plastic, it's Marvel Mystery Oil seeping through (I suspect) the outer wire insulation. > > I think my experimentation is done and I'm ready to endorse the Pronk LED modification to happy lighting under the sea. You know, some of us have to learn the hard way. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jul 3 04:16:33 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 02:16:33 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Oil Comp Lessons - so far In-Reply-To: <8039E20B-B4C8-4A6F-8784-4DF8EDC6FBA8@yahoo.com> References: <713285816.2040504.1562103810920.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <713285816.2040504.1562103810920@mail.yahoo.com> <006301d5313f$f5fcbe20$e1f63a60$@telus.net> <8039E20B-B4C8-4A6F-8784-4DF8EDC6FBA8@yahoo.com> Message-ID: I use vegetable oil that has a yellow color to it. It is safe for the environment and my wife has it on hand for a spring time top up Hank Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 3, 2019, at 2:12 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi Tim, > not sure what oil Nuytco was using. And can't comment on the > environmental hazards other than saying that they do use baby oil on baby's > bottoms so a lot of that would be going in to the environment. > Alan > > > >> On 3/07/2019, at 1:38 PM, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Alan, >> Do you recall the type of oil Nuytco used in the tubing? Was it baby oil, or, as you suggest, silicon oil? Are either an environmental issue if leaked? >> Tim >> >> From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alan via Personal_Submersibles >> Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 5:31 PM >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Oil Comp Lessons - so far >> >> Jon, >> I have been using silicone oil to compensate my thrusters because everything >> else I tried was detrimental to plastic & rubber. >> The marvel mystery oil is probably a very low viscosity & that would contribute >> to the wicking. >> Other oil filled lights I have seen ( including Nuytco's ) have had clear plastic >> tubing around the wires that compresses under pressure, equalising the housing. >> I vaguely remember the Nuytco technician telling me they clamp a clip on the >> tubing to initiate it's collapse under pressure. >> Alan >> >> >> On 3/07/2019, at 9:43 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Decided to oil compensate my RoadShock LED from Harbor Freight today, with a few surprises that ultimately caused me to abandon it for now. >> >> First, umm...well, did ya all know that Marvel Mystery Oil has a ruby red color to it? :) :) I have to admit, I am well aware of the product but have never used it. Since it was highly recommended for oil compensation I purchased some and just assumed it was a clear liquid like mineral oil packaged in a red transparent bottle. Nope. Imagine my surprise when I poured it into the LED fixture and discovered the gorgeous ruby red color of the oil. Mmmmm....pretty. Anyway, I went ahead with the compensation just to see how everything would react together. It went together well and if you saw my video on this LED fixture, the seal worked perfectly as I expected it would. >> >> Second, kudos to Alan, he was spot on regarding the wicking of oil through the wiring. And it didn't take but minutes in this case. I did not take the unit apart to the point of seeing how the wire enters the housing and I'm sure this can be modified, however I noticed within minutes there was oil escaping through the power connector pins. See attached photos. That shiny side inside the power connector is not nice new shiny plastic, it's Marvel Mystery Oil seeping through (I suspect) the outer wire insulation. >> >> I think my experimentation is done and I'm ready to endorse the Pronk LED modification to happy lighting under the sea. You know, some of us have to learn the hard way. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jul 3 12:17:59 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 09:17:59 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Oil Comp Lessons - so far Message-ID: <20190703091759.43D58B46@m0117458.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jul 3 18:06:01 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 22:06:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 2019 Flathead Lake Expedtion In-Reply-To: <6FAD2D16-C204-4E1F-8D4B-AB6AEA9EF819@yahoo.com> References: <7355385D-2BD0-40E6-8B25-40FEBF1035FA@yahoo.com> <6FAD2D16-C204-4E1F-8D4B-AB6AEA9EF819@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <286085463.2673691.1562191561918@mail.yahoo.com> Just wanted to give Psub community an update on the 2019 Flathead Lake Expedition set for August 5-9 in Montana.? See attached for draft dive plan that calls out schedule, dive sites and current roster.? We had three boats participating but lost Brian Hughes and Harold due to his not being able to complete a serious round of modifications in time for him to do test dive before Expedition. Key events include a night dive by both subs on Thursday night, several wall dives and a big Open House at Flathead Lake Bio Station (FLBS) where an estimated 400 children and adults are expected. It is not to late to attend.? If anyone is thinking about attending, please let me know we have a few spaces left in the five faculty cabins FLBS has allocated?us.? Information about the cabins is attached. Best Regards Cliff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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This is probably because there is a limit as to how much heat can be dissipated in a small light that is air cooled. You may be able to use that light housing & put a more powerful led in it, but it would be for underwater use only with maybe a 10 minute out of water use. Just wire it to an led driver inside the sub. I saw a post recently of Brian's modification of a similar light by attaching a hose fitting to it. Alan > On 3/07/2019, at 9:43 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Decided to oil compensate my RoadShock LED from Harbor Freight today, with a few surprises that ultimately caused me to abandon it for now. > > First, umm...well, did ya all know that Marvel Mystery Oil has a ruby red color to it? :) :) I have to admit, I am well aware of the product but have never used it. Since it was highly recommended for oil compensation I purchased some and just assumed it was a clear liquid like mineral oil packaged in a red transparent bottle. Nope. Imagine my surprise when I poured it into the LED fixture and discovered the gorgeous ruby red color of the oil. Mmmmm....pretty. Anyway, I went ahead with the compensation just to see how everything would react together. It went together well and if you saw my video on this LED fixture, the seal worked perfectly as I expected it would. > > Second, kudos to Alan, he was spot on regarding the wicking of oil through the wiring. And it didn't take but minutes in this case. I did not take the unit apart to the point of seeing how the wire enters the housing and I'm sure this can be modified, however I noticed within minutes there was oil escaping through the power connector pins. See attached photos. That shiny side inside the power connector is not nice new shiny plastic, it's Marvel Mystery Oil seeping through (I suspect) the outer wire insulation. > > I think my experimentation is done and I'm ready to endorse the Pronk LED modification to happy lighting under the sea. You know, some of us have to learn the hard way. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jul 4 10:17:03 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 14:17:03 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Oil Comp Lessons - so far In-Reply-To: <64201A61-A409-4224-957D-D5359504AE03@yahoo.com> References: <713285816.2040504.1562103810920.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <713285816.2040504.1562103810920@mail.yahoo.com> <64201A61-A409-4224-957D-D5359504AE03@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1304500026.342139.1562249823955@mail.yahoo.com> Interesting idea.? I will look into this. On Thursday, July 4, 2019, 01:21:15 AM EDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Jon,I looked up your harbour freight light & it was saying 900 & somethinglumens.Cliff is getting 10 X as many lumens for a light about the same size.This is probably because there is a limit as to how much heat can be?dissipated in a small light that is air cooled.?You may be able to use that light housing & put a more powerful led in it,but it would be for underwater use only with maybe a 10 minute out ofwater use. Just wire it to an led driver inside the sub.?I saw a post recently of Brian's modification of a similar light by attachinga hose fitting to it.Alan On 3/07/2019, at 9:43 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Decided to oil compensate my RoadShock LED from Harbor Freight today, with a few surprises that ultimately caused me to abandon it for now. First, umm...well, did ya all know that Marvel Mystery Oil has a ruby red color to it?? :)? :)? I have to admit, I am well aware of the product but have never used it.? Since it was highly recommended for oil compensation I purchased some and just assumed it was a clear liquid like mineral oil packaged in a red transparent bottle.? Nope.? Imagine my surprise when I poured it into the LED fixture and discovered the gorgeous ruby red color of the oil.? Mmmmm....pretty.? Anyway, I went ahead with the compensation just to see how everything would react together.? It went together well and if you saw my video on this LED fixture, the seal worked perfectly as I expected it would. Second, kudos to Alan, he was spot on regarding the wicking of oil through the wiring.? And it didn't take but minutes in this case.? I did not take the unit apart to the point of seeing how the wire enters the housing and I'm sure this can be modified, however I noticed within minutes there was oil escaping through the power connector pins.? See attached photos.? That shiny side inside the power connector is not nice new shiny plastic, it's Marvel Mystery Oil seeping through (I suspect) the outer wire insulation. I think my experimentation is done and I'm ready to endorse the Pronk LED modification to happy lighting under the sea.? You know, some of us have to learn the hard way. _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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How did the test go?? Did you get your laser pointer system set up yet? Tim ? From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 10:26 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sampler ? Hi All, I tested my sampler today and here are pictures. Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jul 5 01:37:41 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 22:37:41 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] MBT mold In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rick, working with a hot wire rig can be tricky. I've learned a few as long the way. I aldo went thru (4) 4ft x 3ft x 8ft blocks of foam. David On Thu, Jul 4, 2019, 9:30 PM Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Download full resolution images > Available until Aug 3, 2019 > > > I finally came up with an idea on how I was going to shape my styrofoam > block to lay up the fiberglass on using a hot wire. It worked okay but was > hoping for a better end result. 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I transferred the lines onto another piece of plywood to make a female template so I can now rotate it to see where the high and low spots are. > Rick > > > > > > > > Click to Download > IMG_2044.MOV > 0 bytes > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jul 5 08:12:19 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 12:12:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] MBT mold In-Reply-To: <4DF34B5C-FCD9-4B09-89DF-B53EDBB4ED5C@yahoo.com> References: <4DF34B5C-FCD9-4B09-89DF-B53EDBB4ED5C@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <852611224.3266406.1562328739873@mail.yahoo.com> Rick,That is friggin ingenious ! ?Hank On Thursday, July 4, 2019, 11:39:22 PM MDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Rick,that's quite clever. It made sense when I watched the video.If the template edge was smooth enough you could possibly spread the bogwith it & get close to finished.Alan On 5/07/2019, at 4:29 PM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Download full resolution imagesAvailable until Aug 3, 2019 I finally came up with an idea on how I was going to shape my styrofoam block to lay up the fiberglass on using a hot wire. It worked okay but was hoping for a better end result. I transferred the lines onto another piece of plywood to make a female template so I can now rotate it to see where the high and low spots are.Rick? Click to DownloadIMG_2044.MOV0 bytes Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jul 5 11:09:49 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 08:09:49 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] MBT mold In-Reply-To: <852611224.3266406.1562328739873@mail.yahoo.com> References: <4DF34B5C-FCD9-4B09-89DF-B53EDBB4ED5C@yahoo.com> <852611224.3266406.1562328739873@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001a01d53343$b14ff390$13efdab0$@telus.net> Hank is right, this is brilliant. I could imagine that you could use this idea to fabricate a foam cutting "lathe" for axisymmetric cone and dome parts. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, July 5, 2019 5:12 AM To: Alan via Personal_Submersibles Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] MBT mold Rick, That is friggin ingenious ! Hank On Thursday, July 4, 2019, 11:39:22 PM MDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Rick, that's quite clever. It made sense when I watched the video. If the template edge was smooth enough you could possibly spread the bog with it & get close to finished. Alan On 5/07/2019, at 4:29 PM, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Download full resolution images Available until Aug 3, 2019 I finally came up with an idea on how I was going to shape my styrofoam block to lay up the fiberglass on using a hot wire. It worked okay but was hoping for a better end result. I transferred the lines onto another piece of plywood to make a female template so I can now rotate it to see where the high and low spots are. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jul 5 12:08:34 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 09:08:34 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sampler In-Reply-To: <524089483.3027760.1562264808431@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2098029522.3001021.1562261149884.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2098029522.3001021.1562261149884@mail.yahoo.com> <004b01d53292$5b7584a0$12608de0$@telus.net> <524089483.3027760.1562264808431@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002d01d5334b$e6ab7de0$b40279a0$@telus.net> I picked up a couple of submersible laser pointers while in Long Beach in May. I will bring them along to Flathead Lake. It would be great to make a frame to mount them so that they project 10cm parallel beams. Oh well. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 11:27 AM To: T Novak via Personal_Submersibles Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sampler Tim, the test was great, no laser pointer. Hank On Thursday, July 4, 2019, 12:00:44 PM MDT, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: It looks really good, Hank. How did the test go? Did you get your laser pointer system set up yet? Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 10:26 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sampler Hi All, I tested my sampler today and here are pictures. 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Tomorrow if I'm lucky, meaning my wife lets me play with my submarine, i hope to add the next 4 ft section on the front around the forward pilot sail. Its all shaped on the keel jig in the shop ready to be moved onto the trailer.?David_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jul 6 13:08:35 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2019 17:08:35 +0000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor progress - Exoskeleton In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David, can you elaborate on your fiberglass lay-up? Is this chop, biaxial weave, or triaxial weave? Vacuumed or just hand-pressed? How many layers and what finished thickness? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jul 6 13:37:12 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 07:37:12 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor progress - Exoskeleton In-Reply-To: <009601d533c3$ec71d4e0$c5557ea0$@telus.net> References: <009601d533c3$ec71d4e0$c5557ea0$@telus.net> Message-ID: Looks great David. I have it easy with my MBT mold compared to what you have done! Rick On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 8:28 PM T Novak via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Very cool, David. Looking good. > > Tim > > > > *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: > personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *David Colombo via > Personal_Submersibles > *Sent:* Friday, July 5, 2019 10:13 PM > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor progress - Exoskeleton > > > > Hi Guys, finished pictures by the end of the day. > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jul 8 01:47:04 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 22:47:04 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor progress - Exoskeleton In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Sean, the inner half of the mold is cast against a layer of waxed tin foil for a fairly smooth finish. The first layup is chopped strand. The next 4 layers will be chopped strand , and then 2 layers of biaxial with a float coat of resin. Due to the complex shape, this should be strong enough for the inner wall. The exoskeleton on the other hand could be as many 8 layers of chop strand. The final top coat layers, will be determined on smoothness of the chop strand. We expect that the final thickness could be 3/8". David On Sat, Jul 6, 2019, 10:09 AM Sean T. Stevenson via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > David, can you elaborate on your fiberglass lay-up? Is this chop, biaxial > weave, or triaxial weave? Vacuumed or just hand-pressed? How many layers > and what finished thickness? > > Sean > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > On Jul 5, 2019, 22:06, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Hi Guys, got to spend the day working on the exoskeleton. After putting > up an umbrella for shade, i removed the first inner ballast tank wall made > from fiberglass. I have at least 4 more to make. Next i stripped the > ballast tank form work off the hull and proceeded to fit up sections of the > wings and the tail cone sections. By the end of the day, 4 pieces were > glued together and i started to rough shape the joints and fairing out the > complex curves. Tomorrow if I'm lucky, meaning my wife lets me play with my > submarine, i hope to add the next 4 ft section on the front around the > forward pilot sail. Its all shaped on the keel jig in the shop ready to be > moved onto the trailer. > David > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jul 8 07:54:07 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 11:54:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 References: <775317860.4080538.1562586847724.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <775317860.4080538.1562586847724@mail.yahoo.com> It's been a while since we held a PSUBS convention.? After talking to a couple of people who have expressed interest in such event, I'm suggesting Islamorada (Florida Keys) in late March 2020 as a target location/date.? Exact date to be determined, but could be any time between January and May.? The only major holiday I am aware of is Easter which falls on April 12, 2020.? Our rationale is that we have good resources and services in this location, both air and water are warm, underwater visibility is typically good, and it's a vacation destination if you want to bring family or extend your stay to visit Key West, Everglades, Miami Beach, or other activities. This event would include diving and presentations such as updates on submarine fabrication and reports on activities such as the Lake Tahoe and Flathead Lake expeditions.? I've located at least one barge that can provide surface transport and support for 2-3 submarines and bring them to a 200-300 foot diving location. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jul 8 08:32:47 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 12:32:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 In-Reply-To: <775317860.4080538.1562586847724@mail.yahoo.com> References: <775317860.4080538.1562586847724.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <775317860.4080538.1562586847724@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <941745819.4215503.1562589167323@mail.yahoo.com> Jon,Does that barge have sub lifting capacity? ?what is the day rate for the barge? ?Hank On Monday, July 8, 2019, 5:54:26 AM MDT, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: It's been a while since we held a PSUBS convention.? After talking to a couple of people who have expressed interest in such event, I'm suggesting Islamorada (Florida Keys) in late March 2020 as a target location/date.? Exact date to be determined, but could be any time between January and May.? The only major holiday I am aware of is Easter which falls on April 12, 2020.? Our rationale is that we have good resources and services in this location, both air and water are warm, underwater visibility is typically good, and it's a vacation destination if you want to bring family or extend your stay to visit Key West, Everglades, Miami Beach, or other activities. This event would include diving and presentations such as updates on submarine fabrication and reports on activities such as the Lake Tahoe and Flathead Lake expeditions.? I've located at least one barge that can provide surface transport and support for 2-3 submarines and bring them to a 200-300 foot diving location. We can consider other location alternatives, however the requirements for such suggestions are resources, services, and support including hotels, restaurants, dive shops, water ingress, and your ability to act as coordinator for that alternative location. Discussion? Jon _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jul 8 09:03:07 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 13:03:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 In-Reply-To: <941745819.4215503.1562589167323@mail.yahoo.com> References: <775317860.4080538.1562586847724.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <775317860.4080538.1562586847724@mail.yahoo.com> <941745819.4215503.1562589167323@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <972331210.4107502.1562590987691@mail.yahoo.com> It does, up to 5000 pounds.? I was quoted $2500 for 12 hours. On Monday, July 8, 2019, 08:35:08 AM EDT, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Jon,Does that barge have sub lifting capacity? ?what is the day rate for the barge? ?Hank On Monday, July 8, 2019, 5:54:26 AM MDT, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: It's been a while since we held a PSUBS convention.? After talking to a couple of people who have expressed interest in such event, I'm suggesting Islamorada (Florida Keys) in late March 2020 as a target location/date.? Exact date to be determined, but could be any time between January and May.? The only major holiday I am aware of is Easter which falls on April 12, 2020.? Our rationale is that we have good resources and services in this location, both air and water are warm, underwater visibility is typically good, and it's a vacation destination if you want to bring family or extend your stay to visit Key West, Everglades, Miami Beach, or other activities. This event would include diving and presentations such as updates on submarine fabrication and reports on activities such as the Lake Tahoe and Flathead Lake expeditions.? I've located at least one barge that can provide surface transport and support for 2-3 submarines and bring them to a 200-300 foot diving location. We can consider other location alternatives, however the requirements for such suggestions are resources, services, and support including hotels, restaurants, dive shops, water ingress, and your ability to act as coordinator for that alternative location. Discussion? Jon _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jul 8 09:13:19 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 13:13:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 In-Reply-To: <775317860.4080538.1562586847724@mail.yahoo.com> References: <775317860.4080538.1562586847724.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <775317860.4080538.1562586847724@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <968394517.4235862.1562591599657@mail.yahoo.com> Excellent!? It is time for the next Psub convention and having been to the previous Psub conventions in Islamorada, I can say the venue is magnificent.? I am in.? I agree we need some kind of barge to cut the tow time to deep water.? Jon we might be able to reduce the cost for day rental on barge with a crane if we find one that is not self powered but would be towed by Doug Suhr's Boston Whaler if he would agree.? I like the idea also of having presentations.? I always got a lot out of these Psub convention presentations.? Also we have a lot boat that are nearing completion that might be enticed to participate : yours, Steve McQueen's, Alec Symth's.? Also Brian Hughes should have Harold back together by then and of course, it would not be a proper Islamorada convention with out Doug Suhr's Snoopy. Lets make this happen. Cliff On Monday, July 8, 2019, 06:55:03 AM CDT, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: It's been a while since we held a PSUBS convention.? After talking to a couple of people who have expressed interest in such event, I'm suggesting Islamorada (Florida Keys) in late March 2020 as a target location/date.? Exact date to be determined, but could be any time between January and May.? The only major holiday I am aware of is Easter which falls on April 12, 2020.? Our rationale is that we have good resources and services in this location, both air and water are warm, underwater visibility is typically good, and it's a vacation destination if you want to bring family or extend your stay to visit Key West, Everglades, Miami Beach, or other activities. This event would include diving and presentations such as updates on submarine fabrication and reports on activities such as the Lake Tahoe and Flathead Lake expeditions.? I've located at least one barge that can provide surface transport and support for 2-3 submarines and bring them to a 200-300 foot diving location. We can consider other location alternatives, however the requirements for such suggestions are resources, services, and support including hotels, restaurants, dive shops, water ingress, and your ability to act as coordinator for that alternative location. Discussion? Jon _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jul 8 09:23:13 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 13:23:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 In-Reply-To: <775317860.4080538.1562586847724@mail.yahoo.com> References: <775317860.4080538.1562586847724.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <775317860.4080538.1562586847724@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <421671879.2751400.1562592193493@mail.yahoo.com> If I'm not at sea, then I could do some sort of presentation on Pisces VI. We're headed out for harbor trials and certification this fall, with projects already on the books for next year. Including the Antarctica trip. But there is (or should be) time in between for me to get home and catch up on the laundry. And who doesn't love Islamorada?Vance -----Original Message----- From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 7:54 am Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 It's been a while since we held a PSUBS convention.? After talking to a couple of people who have expressed interest in such event, I'm suggesting Islamorada (Florida Keys) in late March 2020 as a target location/date.? Exact date to be determined, but could be any time between January and May.? The only major holiday I am aware of is Easter which falls on April 12, 2020.? Our rationale is that we have good resources and services in this location, both air and water are warm, underwater visibility is typically good, and it's a vacation destination if you want to bring family or extend your stay to visit Key West, Everglades, Miami Beach, or other activities. This event would include diving and presentations such as updates on submarine fabrication and reports on activities such as the Lake Tahoe and Flathead Lake expeditions.? I've located at least one barge that can provide surface transport and support for 2-3 submarines and bring them to a 200-300 foot diving location. We can consider other location alternatives, however the requirements for such suggestions are resources, services, and support including hotels, restaurants, dive shops, water ingress, and your ability to act as coordinator for that alternative location. Discussion? Jon _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jul 8 09:28:15 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 13:28:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 In-Reply-To: <421671879.2751400.1562592193493@mail.yahoo.com> References: <775317860.4080538.1562586847724.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <775317860.4080538.1562586847724@mail.yahoo.com> <421671879.2751400.1562592193493@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <250648369.4152954.1562592495588@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Vance, was planning on getting you or Scott to give us an update on Pisces.? Hoping we can coordinate the date with you. On Monday, July 8, 2019, 09:25:34 AM EDT, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: If I'm not at sea, then I could do some sort of presentation on Pisces VI. We're headed out for harbor trials and certification this fall, with projects already on the books for next year. Including the Antarctica trip. But there is (or should be) time in between for me to get home and catch up on the laundry. And who doesn't love Islamorada?Vance -----Original Message----- From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 7:54 am Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 It's been a while since we held a PSUBS convention.? After talking to a couple of people who have expressed interest in such event, I'm suggesting Islamorada (Florida Keys) in late March 2020 as a target location/date.? Exact date to be determined, but could be any time between January and May.? The only major holiday I am aware of is Easter which falls on April 12, 2020.? Our rationale is that we have good resources and services in this location, both air and water are warm, underwater visibility is typically good, and it's a vacation destination if you want to bring family or extend your stay to visit Key West, Everglades, Miami Beach, or other activities. This event would include diving and presentations such as updates on submarine fabrication and reports on activities such as the Lake Tahoe and Flathead Lake expeditions.? I've located at least one barge that can provide surface transport and support for 2-3 submarines and bring them to a 200-300 foot diving location. We can consider other location alternatives, however the requirements for such suggestions are resources, services, and support including hotels, restaurants, dive shops, water ingress, and your ability to act as coordinator for that alternative location. Discussion? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jul 8 09:42:00 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 13:42:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 In-Reply-To: <968394517.4235862.1562591599657@mail.yahoo.com> References: <775317860.4080538.1562586847724.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <775317860.4080538.1562586847724@mail.yahoo.com> <968394517.4235862.1562591599657@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <648874087.4141311.1562593320174@mail.yahoo.com> I talked to Doug Suhr yesterday and if we can coordinate with dates he plans to be in the south, he's offered his place as the staging point again.? I will keep my eye out for other barge alternatives and it will be easier to scope this out once I get down there again in September.? I may be able to find a couple more boats for towing purposes if the Barge doesn't work out so that we don't have to dive only one sub at a time. Jon On Monday, July 8, 2019, 09:15:36 AM EDT, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Excellent!? It is time for the next Psub convention and having been to the previous Psub conventions in Islamorada, I can say the venue is magnificent.? I am in.? I agree we need some kind of barge to cut the tow time to deep water.? Jon we might be able to reduce the cost for day rental on barge with a crane if we find one that is not self powered but would be towed by Doug Suhr's Boston Whaler if he would agree.? I like the idea also of having presentations.? I always got a lot out of these Psub convention presentations.? Also we have a lot boat that are nearing completion that might be enticed to participate : yours, Steve McQueen's, Alec Symth's.? Also Brian Hughes should have Harold back together by then and of course, it would not be a proper Islamorada convention with out Doug Suhr's Snoopy. Lets make this happen. Cliff On Monday, July 8, 2019, 06:55:03 AM CDT, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: It's been a while since we held a PSUBS convention.? After talking to a couple of people who have expressed interest in such event, I'm suggesting Islamorada (Florida Keys) in late March 2020 as a target location/date.? Exact date to be determined, but could be any time between January and May.? The only major holiday I am aware of is Easter which falls on April 12, 2020.? Our rationale is that we have good resources and services in this location, both air and water are warm, underwater visibility is typically good, and it's a vacation destination if you want to bring family or extend your stay to visit Key West, Everglades, Miami Beach, or other activities. This event would include diving and presentations such as updates on submarine fabrication and reports on activities such as the Lake Tahoe and Flathead Lake expeditions.? I've located at least one barge that can provide surface transport and support for 2-3 submarines and bring them to a 200-300 foot diving location. We can consider other location alternatives, however the requirements for such suggestions are resources, services, and support including hotels, restaurants, dive shops, water ingress, and your ability to act as coordinator for that alternative location. Discussion? Jon _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jul 8 10:10:00 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 07:10:00 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 In-Reply-To: <648874087.4141311.1562593320174@mail.yahoo.com> References: <775317860.4080538.1562586847724.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <775317860.4080538.1562586847724@mail.yahoo.com> <968394517.4235862.1562591599657@mail.yahoo.com> <648874087.4141311.1562593320174@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jon, count Wyvonne and myself in. The SeaQuestor will be in tow as well. David On Mon, Jul 8, 2019, 6:42 AM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > I talked to Doug Suhr yesterday and if we can coordinate with dates he > plans to be in the south, he's offered his place as the staging point > again. I will keep my eye out for other barge alternatives and it will be > easier to scope this out once I get down there again in September. I may > be able to find a couple more boats for towing purposes if the Barge > doesn't work out so that we don't have to dive only one sub at a time. > > Jon > > On Monday, July 8, 2019, 09:15:36 AM EDT, Cliff Redus via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Excellent! It is time for the next Psub convention and having been to the > previous Psub conventions in Islamorada, I can say the venue is > magnificent. I am in. I agree we need some kind of barge to cut the tow > time to deep water. Jon we might be able to reduce the cost for day rental > on barge with a crane if we find one that is not self powered but would be > towed by Doug Suhr's Boston Whaler if he would agree. I like the idea also > of having presentations. I always got a lot out of these Psub convention > presentations. Also we have a lot boat that are nearing completion that > might be enticed to participate : yours, Steve McQueen's, Alec Symth's. > Also Brian Hughes should have Harold back together by then and of course, > it would not be a proper Islamorada convention with out Doug Suhr's Snoopy. > > Lets make this happen. > > Cliff > > > > On Monday, July 8, 2019, 06:55:03 AM CDT, Jon Wallace via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > It's been a while since we held a PSUBS convention. After talking to a > couple of people who have expressed interest in such event, I'm suggesting > Islamorada (Florida Keys) in late March 2020 as a target location/date. > Exact date to be determined, but could be any time between January and > May. The only major holiday I am aware of is Easter which falls on April > 12, 2020. Our rationale is that we have good resources and services in > this location, both air and water are warm, underwater visibility is > typically good, and it's a vacation destination if you want to bring family > or extend your stay to visit Key West, Everglades, Miami Beach, or other > activities. > > This event would include diving and presentations such as updates on > submarine fabrication and reports on activities such as the Lake Tahoe and > Flathead Lake expeditions. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jul 8 17:03:22 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 09:03:22 +1200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 In-Reply-To: <421671879.2751400.1562592193493@mail.yahoo.com> References: <775317860.4080538.1562586847724.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <775317860.4080538.1562586847724@mail.yahoo.com> <421671879.2751400.1562592193493@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Vance, any details on the Antarctica trip; ship, route, crew, mission etc. Wondering if you are coming via Auckland N.Z. That's a big undertaking. Alan > On 9/07/2019, at 1:23 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > If I'm not at sea, then I could do some sort of presentation on Pisces VI. We're headed out for harbor trials and certification this fall, with projects already on the books for next year. Including the Antarctica trip. But there is (or should be) time in between for me to get home and catch up on the laundry. And who doesn't love Islamorada? > Vance > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 7:54 am > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 > > It's been a while since we held a PSUBS convention. After talking to a couple of people who have expressed interest in such event, I'm suggesting Islamorada (Florida Keys) in late March 2020 as a target location/date. Exact date to be determined, but could be any time between January and May. The only major holiday I am aware of is Easter which falls on April 12, 2020. Our rationale is that we have good resources and services in this location, both air and water are warm, underwater visibility is typically good, and it's a vacation destination if you want to bring family or extend your stay to visit Key West, Everglades, Miami Beach, or other activities. > > This event would include diving and presentations such as updates on submarine fabrication and reports on activities such as the Lake Tahoe and Flathead Lake expeditions. I've located at least one barge that can provide surface transport and support for 2-3 submarines and bring them to a 200-300 foot diving location. > > We can consider other location alternatives, however the requirements for such suggestions are resources, services, and support including hotels, restaurants, dive shops, water ingress, and your ability to act as coordinator for that alternative location. > > Discussion? > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jul 8 17:30:42 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 21:30:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 In-Reply-To: References: <775317860.4080538.1562586847724.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <775317860.4080538.1562586847724@mail.yahoo.com> <421671879.2751400.1562592193493@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <235852344.2919564.1562621442150@mail.yahoo.com> Coming out of Peru, and headed for the science station, as I understand it. There is a schedule somewhere in my files. Damned if I know where. Don't remember a stop an ?NZ stop right off hand, sorry to say.Vance -----Original Message----- From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 5:03 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 Vance,any details on the Antarctica trip; ship, route, crew, mission etc.Wondering if you are coming via Auckland N.Z.That's a big undertaking.Alan On 9/07/2019, at 1:23 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: If I'm not at sea, then I could do some sort of presentation on Pisces VI. We're headed out for harbor trials and certification this fall, with projects already on the books for next year. Including the Antarctica trip. But there is (or should be) time in between for me to get home and catch up on the laundry. And who doesn't love Islamorada?Vance -----Original Message----- From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 7:54 am Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 It's been a while since we held a PSUBS convention.? After talking to a couple of people who have expressed interest in such event, I'm suggesting Islamorada (Florida Keys) in late March 2020 as a target location/date.? Exact date to be determined, but could be any time between January and May.? The only major holiday I am aware of is Easter which falls on April 12, 2020.? Our rationale is that we have good resources and services in this location, both air and water are warm, underwater visibility is typically good, and it's a vacation destination if you want to bring family or extend your stay to visit Key West, Everglades, Miami Beach, or other activities. This event would include diving and presentations such as updates on submarine fabrication and reports on activities such as the Lake Tahoe and Flathead Lake expeditions.? I've located at least one barge that can provide surface transport and support for 2-3 submarines and bring them to a 200-300 foot diving location. We can consider other location alternatives, however the requirements for such suggestions are resources, services, and support including hotels, restaurants, dive shops, water ingress, and your ability to act as coordinator for that alternative location. Discussion? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jul 8 18:09:56 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 10:09:56 +1200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 In-Reply-To: <235852344.2919564.1562621442150@mail.yahoo.com> References: <775317860.4080538.1562586847724.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <775317860.4080538.1562586847724@mail.yahoo.com> <421671879.2751400.1562592193493@mail.yahoo.com> <235852344.2919564.1562621442150@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: So sounds like you will be crossing 1000km of the worst waters in the World. Don't forget your sea sick pills! I mentioned Auckland because that was the route the Tritan team took on Alucia. Alan > On 9/07/2019, at 9:30 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Coming out of Peru, and headed for the science station, as I understand it. There is a schedule somewhere in my files. Damned if I know where. Don't remember a stop an NZ stop right off hand, sorry to say. > Vance > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 5:03 pm > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 > > Vance, > any details on the Antarctica trip; ship, route, crew, mission etc. > Wondering if you are coming via Auckland N.Z. > That's a big undertaking. > Alan > >> On 9/07/2019, at 1:23 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> If I'm not at sea, then I could do some sort of presentation on Pisces VI. We're headed out for harbor trials and certification this fall, with projects already on the books for next year. Including the Antarctica trip. But there is (or should be) time in between for me to get home and catch up on the laundry. And who doesn't love Islamorada? >> Vance >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 7:54 am >> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 >> >> It's been a while since we held a PSUBS convention. After talking to a couple of people who have expressed interest in such event, I'm suggesting Islamorada (Florida Keys) in late March 2020 as a target location/date. Exact date to be determined, but could be any time between January and May. The only major holiday I am aware of is Easter which falls on April 12, 2020. Our rationale is that we have good resources and services in this location, both air and water are warm, underwater visibility is typically good, and it's a vacation destination if you want to bring family or extend your stay to visit Key West, Everglades, Miami Beach, or other activities. >> >> This event would include diving and presentations such as updates on submarine fabrication and reports on activities such as the Lake Tahoe and Flathead Lake expeditions. I've located at least one barge that can provide surface transport and support for 2-3 submarines and bring them to a 200-300 foot diving location. >> >> We can consider other location alternatives, however the requirements for such suggestions are resources, services, and support including hotels, restaurants, dive shops, water ingress, and your ability to act as coordinator for that alternative location. >> >> Discussion? >> >> Jon >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jul 8 21:13:39 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 01:13:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 In-Reply-To: References: <775317860.4080538.1562586847724.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <775317860.4080538.1562586847724@mail.yahoo.com> <421671879.2751400.1562592193493@mail.yahoo.com> <235852344.2919564.1562621442150@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <443533152.3004718.1562634819439@mail.yahoo.com> Our ship is like 70 feet longer than Alucia, so maybe that will dampen some of that of such fun southern ocean stuff. And everyone runs for cover at one time or another. Maybe we'll sneak in for a beer while if we run into WOW conditions. Waiting On Weather.Vance -----Original Message----- From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 6:10 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 So sounds like you will be crossing 1000km of the worst waters in the World.Don't forget your sea sick pills!I mentioned Auckland because that was the route the Tritan team took onAlucia.?Alan On 9/07/2019, at 9:30 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Coming out of Peru, and headed for the science station, as I understand it. There is a schedule somewhere in my files. Damned if I know where. Don't remember a stop an ?NZ stop right off hand, sorry to say.Vance -----Original Message----- From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 5:03 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 Vance,any details on the Antarctica trip; ship, route, crew, mission etc.Wondering if you are coming via Auckland N.Z.That's a big undertaking.Alan On 9/07/2019, at 1:23 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: If I'm not at sea, then I could do some sort of presentation on Pisces VI. We're headed out for harbor trials and certification this fall, with projects already on the books for next year. Including the Antarctica trip. But there is (or should be) time in between for me to get home and catch up on the laundry. And who doesn't love Islamorada?Vance -----Original Message----- From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 7:54 am Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 It's been a while since we held a PSUBS convention.? After talking to a couple of people who have expressed interest in such event, I'm suggesting Islamorada (Florida Keys) in late March 2020 as a target location/date.? Exact date to be determined, but could be any time between January and May.? The only major holiday I am aware of is Easter which falls on April 12, 2020.? Our rationale is that we have good resources and services in this location, both air and water are warm, underwater visibility is typically good, and it's a vacation destination if you want to bring family or extend your stay to visit Key West, Everglades, Miami Beach, or other activities. This event would include diving and presentations such as updates on submarine fabrication and reports on activities such as the Lake Tahoe and Flathead Lake expeditions.? I've located at least one barge that can provide surface transport and support for 2-3 submarines and bring them to a 200-300 foot diving location. We can consider other location alternatives, however the requirements for such suggestions are resources, services, and support including hotels, restaurants, dive shops, water ingress, and your ability to act as coordinator for that alternative location. Discussion? 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Cliff Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 8, 2019, at 8:43 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Bad news, the test piece that I dropped down to 900' , it didn't crush , but it absorbed water. So it lost a lot of its buoyancy. > > Brian > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation > Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 16:15:09 -0700 > > Alan, I've done one small test piece so far and it did give off some heat. I'm planning on doing a larger piece that I'm going to drop in the ocean, it will be interesting to see how that goes. I'm more inclined to pour larger amounts for a couple of reasons, first I think you get a better and more accurate mix of the A and B, and also where I'm pouring into my cavities I don't want to inadvertently seal off areas that I will not be able to get to to complete the pour. So I'd rather error on over pouring a bit so I have foam pushing out the vent holes. > > Brian > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation > Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 09:18:40 +1200 > > All, > as we are talking about testing this for General Psubs use I'll elaborate > on something I mentioned earlier. > In the product specifications below it mentions that in the setting of this product > the temperature is critical, & that temperatures below 75 degrees F will make a > denser product. One would assume that temperatures above 75 F would make > a less dense & hence weaker product. > With 2 part chemical reactions there is generally a heat produced & this is > exponentially greater the thicker the pour. I used to use casting resins for art > & they would get very hot on thick casts. > If this were the case then filling any large voids in one pour may cause the > centre of the material to be a lot weaker than the outside. > To check this we could ask the rep about thick pours, do a thick pour & cut it > in cross section to see if it is less dense in the middle or stick a heat probe in > the middle of the pour to check for an increased temperature. > All expansion rates and times given are temperature critical. Temperatures below 75 degrees F will lower the expansion rate therefore requiring more foam. Ideal working temperature is 75 to 80 degrees F or above. > Accurate measuring of these products is extremely critical. > Alan > > All expansion rates and times given are temperature critical. Temperatures below 75 degrees F will lower the expansion rate therefore requiring more foam. Ideal working temperature is 75 to 80 degrees F or above. > Accurate measuring of these products is extremely critical. > On 28/06/2019, at 11:04 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Not my forte, but given the hardness of this product when cured is there really an expectation that it is going to deform in a visually measurable way and spring back into shape from a depth test? Seems like it's more likely to either structurally fail or not with obvious non-elastic results such as cracks, cavities, etc, hence the weight test to see if it absorbs water. I'm thinking the dunk test from the sailboat is a good first start. > > The cost of this product seems to be on par with trawler floats from a pound to pound buoyancy perspective but it has the advantage of allowing custom shaping. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jul 9 00:46:42 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 16:46:42 +1200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 In-Reply-To: <443533152.3004718.1562634819439@mail.yahoo.com> References: <775317860.4080538.1562586847724.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <775317860.4080538.1562586847724@mail.yahoo.com> <421671879.2751400.1562592193493@mail.yahoo.com> <235852344.2919564.1562621442150@mail.yahoo.com> <443533152.3004718.1562634819439@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8E56D783-9ED0-49B4-B6D1-188155079CA7@yahoo.com> Will look forward to the reports from that trip! Alan > On 9/07/2019, at 1:13 PM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Our ship is like 70 feet longer than Alucia, so maybe that will dampen some of that of such fun southern ocean stuff. And everyone runs for cover at one time or another. Maybe we'll sneak in for a beer while if we run into WOW conditions. Waiting On Weather. > Vance > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 6:10 pm > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 > > So sounds like you will be crossing 1000km of the worst waters in the World. > Don't forget your sea sick pills! > I mentioned Auckland because that was the route the Tritan team took on > Alucia. > Alan > >> On 9/07/2019, at 9:30 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Coming out of Peru, and headed for the science station, as I understand it. There is a schedule somewhere in my files. Damned if I know where. Don't remember a stop an NZ stop right off hand, sorry to say. >> Vance >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >> Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 5:03 pm >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 >> >> Vance, >> any details on the Antarctica trip; ship, route, crew, mission etc. >> Wondering if you are coming via Auckland N.Z. >> That's a big undertaking. >> Alan >> >>> On 9/07/2019, at 1:23 AM, via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> If I'm not at sea, then I could do some sort of presentation on Pisces VI. We're headed out for harbor trials and certification this fall, with projects already on the books for next year. Including the Antarctica trip. But there is (or should be) time in between for me to get home and catch up on the laundry. And who doesn't love Islamorada? >>> Vance >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles >>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion >>> Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 7:54 am >>> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 >>> >>> It's been a while since we held a PSUBS convention. After talking to a couple of people who have expressed interest in such event, I'm suggesting Islamorada (Florida Keys) in late March 2020 as a target location/date. Exact date to be determined, but could be any time between January and May. The only major holiday I am aware of is Easter which falls on April 12, 2020. Our rationale is that we have good resources and services in this location, both air and water are warm, underwater visibility is typically good, and it's a vacation destination if you want to bring family or extend your stay to visit Key West, Everglades, Miami Beach, or other activities. >>> >>> This event would include diving and presentations such as updates on submarine fabrication and reports on activities such as the Lake Tahoe and Flathead Lake expeditions. I've located at least one barge that can provide surface transport and support for 2-3 submarines and bring them to a 200-300 foot diving location. >>> >>> We can consider other location alternatives, however the requirements for such suggestions are resources, services, and support including hotels, restaurants, dive shops, water ingress, and your ability to act as coordinator for that alternative location. >>> >>> Discussion? >>> >>> Jon >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jul 9 00:51:15 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 18:51:15 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 In-Reply-To: <8E56D783-9ED0-49B4-B6D1-188155079CA7@yahoo.com> References: <775317860.4080538.1562586847724.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <775317860.4080538.1562586847724@mail.yahoo.com> <421671879.2751400.1562592193493@mail.yahoo.com> <235852344.2919564.1562621442150@mail.yahoo.com> <443533152.3004718.1562634819439@mail.yahoo.com> <8E56D783-9ED0-49B4-B6D1-188155079CA7@yahoo.com> Message-ID: What part of the Key's is Islamorada? Rick On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 6:47 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Will look forward to the reports from that trip! > Alan > > On 9/07/2019, at 1:13 PM, via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Our ship is like 70 feet longer than Alucia, so maybe that will dampen > some of that of such fun southern ocean stuff. And everyone runs for cover > at one time or another. Maybe we'll sneak in for a beer while if we run > into WOW conditions. Waiting On Weather. > Vance > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 6:10 pm > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 > > So sounds like you will be crossing 1000km of the worst waters in the > World. > Don't forget your sea sick pills! > I mentioned Auckland because that was the route the Tritan team took on > Alucia. > Alan > > On 9/07/2019, at 9:30 AM, via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Coming out of Peru, and headed for the science station, as I understand > it. There is a schedule somewhere in my files. Damned if I know where. > Don't remember a stop an NZ stop right off hand, sorry to say. > Vance > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 5:03 pm > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 > > Vance, > any details on the Antarctica trip; ship, route, crew, mission etc. > Wondering if you are coming via Auckland N.Z. > That's a big undertaking. > Alan > > On 9/07/2019, at 1:23 AM, via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > If I'm not at sea, then I could do some sort of presentation on Pisces VI. > We're headed out for harbor trials and certification this fall, with > projects already on the books for next year. Including the Antarctica trip. > But there is (or should be) time in between for me to get home and catch up > on the laundry. And who doesn't love Islamorada? > Vance > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 7:54 am > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 > > It's been a while since we held a PSUBS convention. After talking to a > couple of people who have expressed interest in such event, I'm suggesting > Islamorada (Florida Keys) in late March 2020 as a target location/date. > Exact date to be determined, but could be any time between January and > May. The only major holiday I am aware of is Easter which falls on April > 12, 2020. Our rationale is that we have good resources and services in > this location, both air and water are warm, underwater visibility is > typically good, and it's a vacation destination if you want to bring family > or extend your stay to visit Key West, Everglades, Miami Beach, or other > activities. > > This event would include diving and presentations such as updates on > submarine fabrication and reports on activities such as the Lake Tahoe and > Flathead Lake expeditions. I've located at least one barge that can > provide surface transport and support for 2-3 submarines and bring them to > a 200-300 foot diving location. > > We can consider other location alternatives, however the requirements for > such suggestions are resources, services, and support including hotels, > restaurants, dive shops, water ingress, and your ability to act as > coordinator for that alternative location. > > Discussion? > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jul 9 00:57:52 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 16:57:52 +1200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation In-Reply-To: <20190708184322.43D4798F@m0117458.ppops.net> References: <20190708184322.43D4798F@m0117458.ppops.net> Message-ID: <59A360FD-191F-4ECD-AE1A-930B8BCF4791@yahoo.com> Brian, I am wondering how it absorbed water, seeing it's a marine product. Do you think there may have been a break down on a microscopic level through the water being forced in under pressure. Anyway, good that you got a result. Imagine if it had absorbed water more slowly so that it wasn't detectable in the short time that you tested it. Alan > On 9/07/2019, at 1:43 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Bad news, the test piece that I dropped down to 900' , it didn't crush , but it absorbed water. So it lost a lot of its buoyancy. > > Brian > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation > Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 16:15:09 -0700 > > Alan, I've done one small test piece so far and it did give off some heat. I'm planning on doing a larger piece that I'm going to drop in the ocean, it will be interesting to see how that goes. I'm more inclined to pour larger amounts for a couple of reasons, first I think you get a better and more accurate mix of the A and B, and also where I'm pouring into my cavities I don't want to inadvertently seal off areas that I will not be able to get to to complete the pour. So I'd rather error on over pouring a bit so I have foam pushing out the vent holes. > > Brian > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation > Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 09:18:40 +1200 > > All, > as we are talking about testing this for General Psubs use I'll elaborate > on something I mentioned earlier. > In the product specifications below it mentions that in the setting of this product > the temperature is critical, & that temperatures below 75 degrees F will make a > denser product. One would assume that temperatures above 75 F would make > a less dense & hence weaker product. > With 2 part chemical reactions there is generally a heat produced & this is > exponentially greater the thicker the pour. I used to use casting resins for art > & they would get very hot on thick casts. > If this were the case then filling any large voids in one pour may cause the > centre of the material to be a lot weaker than the outside. > To check this we could ask the rep about thick pours, do a thick pour & cut it > in cross section to see if it is less dense in the middle or stick a heat probe in > the middle of the pour to check for an increased temperature. > All expansion rates and times given are temperature critical. Temperatures below 75 degrees F will lower the expansion rate therefore requiring more foam. Ideal working temperature is 75 to 80 degrees F or above. > Accurate measuring of these products is extremely critical. > Alan > > All expansion rates and times given are temperature critical. Temperatures below 75 degrees F will lower the expansion rate therefore requiring more foam. Ideal working temperature is 75 to 80 degrees F or above. > Accurate measuring of these products is extremely critical. > On 28/06/2019, at 11:04 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Not my forte, but given the hardness of this product when cured is there really an expectation that it is going to deform in a visually measurable way and spring back into shape from a depth test? Seems like it's more likely to either structurally fail or not with obvious non-elastic results such as cracks, cavities, etc, hence the weight test to see if it absorbs water. I'm thinking the dunk test from the sailboat is a good first start. > > The cost of this product seems to be on par with trawler floats from a pound to pound buoyancy perspective but it has the advantage of allowing custom shaping. 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From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jul 9 02:16:55 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 23:16:55 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 In-Reply-To: References: <775317860.4080538.1562586847724.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <775317860.4080538.1562586847724@mail.yahoo.com> <421671879.2751400.1562592193493@mail.yahoo.com> <235852344.2919564.1562621442150@mail.yahoo.com> <443533152.3004718.1562634819439@mail.yahoo.com> <8E56D783-9ED0-49B4-B6D1-188155079CA7@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007001d5361d$e8ffd710$baff8530$@telus.net> It's in the Upper Keys, south west of Key Largo, north east of Marathon. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Monday, July 8, 2019 9:51 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 What part of the Key's is Islamorada? Rick On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 6:47 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Will look forward to the reports from that trip! Alan On 9/07/2019, at 1:13 PM, via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Our ship is like 70 feet longer than Alucia, so maybe that will dampen some of that of such fun southern ocean stuff. And everyone runs for cover at one time or another. Maybe we'll sneak in for a beer while if we run into WOW conditions. Waiting On Weather. Vance -----Original Message----- From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 6:10 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 So sounds like you will be crossing 1000km of the worst waters in the World. Don't forget your sea sick pills! I mentioned Auckland because that was the route the Tritan team took on Alucia. Alan On 9/07/2019, at 9:30 AM, via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Coming out of Peru, and headed for the science station, as I understand it. There is a schedule somewhere in my files. Damned if I know where. Don't remember a stop an NZ stop right off hand, sorry to say. Vance -----Original Message----- From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 5:03 pm Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 Vance, any details on the Antarctica trip; ship, route, crew, mission etc. Wondering if you are coming via Auckland N.Z. That's a big undertaking. Alan On 9/07/2019, at 1:23 AM, via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: If I'm not at sea, then I could do some sort of presentation on Pisces VI. We're headed out for harbor trials and certification this fall, with projects already on the books for next year. Including the Antarctica trip. But there is (or should be) time in between for me to get home and catch up on the laundry. And who doesn't love Islamorada? Vance -----Original Message----- From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 7:54 am Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 It's been a while since we held a PSUBS convention. After talking to a couple of people who have expressed interest in such event, I'm suggesting Islamorada (Florida Keys) in late March 2020 as a target location/date. Exact date to be determined, but could be any time between January and May. The only major holiday I am aware of is Easter which falls on April 12, 2020. Our rationale is that we have good resources and services in this location, both air and water are warm, underwater visibility is typically good, and it's a vacation destination if you want to bring family or extend your stay to visit Key West, Everglades, Miami Beach, or other activities. This event would include diving and presentations such as updates on submarine fabrication and reports on activities such as the Lake Tahoe and Flathead Lake expeditions. I've located at least one barge that can provide surface transport and support for 2-3 submarines and bring them to a 200-300 foot diving location. We can consider other location alternatives, however the requirements for such suggestions are resources, services, and support including hotels, restaurants, dive shops, water ingress, and your ability to act as coordinator for that alternative location. Discussion? 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It could be that the small bubbles of foam that make up the matrix of the foam itself are simply not strong enough to handle the water pressure. But it's interesting that it can take a rated pressure ( parallel applied pressure) and not be crushed but then on the other hand will absorb water. From the look of it you would never think that water would penetrate it, the outside of the foam seems nonporous. Might be instructive looking at it under a microscope. > > Brian > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation > Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 16:57:52 +1200 > > Brian, > I am wondering how it absorbed water, seeing it's a marine product. > Do you think there may have been a break down on a microscopic level through > the water being forced in under pressure. > Anyway, good that you got a result. Imagine if it had absorbed water more slowly > so that it wasn't detectable in the short time that you tested it. > Alan > > On 9/07/2019, at 1:43 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Bad news, the test piece that I dropped down to 900' , it didn't crush , but it absorbed water. So it lost a lot of its buoyancy. > > Brian > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation > Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 16:15:09 -0700 > > Alan, I've done one small test piece so far and it did give off some heat. I'm planning on doing a larger piece that I'm going to drop in the ocean, it will be interesting to see how that goes. I'm more inclined to pour larger amounts for a couple of reasons, first I think you get a better and more accurate mix of the A and B, and also where I'm pouring into my cavities I don't want to inadvertently seal off areas that I will not be able to get to to complete the pour. So I'd rather error on over pouring a bit so I have foam pushing out the vent holes. > > Brian > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation > Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 09:18:40 +1200 > > All, > as we are talking about testing this for General Psubs use I'll elaborate > on something I mentioned earlier. > In the product specifications below it mentions that in the setting of this product > the temperature is critical, & that temperatures below 75 degrees F will make a > denser product. One would assume that temperatures above 75 F would make > a less dense & hence weaker product. > With 2 part chemical reactions there is generally a heat produced & this is > exponentially greater the thicker the pour. I used to use casting resins for art > & they would get very hot on thick casts. > If this were the case then filling any large voids in one pour may cause the > centre of the material to be a lot weaker than the outside. > To check this we could ask the rep about thick pours, do a thick pour & cut it > in cross section to see if it is less dense in the middle or stick a heat probe in > the middle of the pour to check for an increased temperature. > All expansion rates and times given are temperature critical. Temperatures below 75 degrees F will lower the expansion rate therefore requiring more foam. Ideal working temperature is 75 to 80 degrees F or above. > Accurate measuring of these products is extremely critical. > Alan > > All expansion rates and times given are temperature critical. Temperatures below 75 degrees F will lower the expansion rate therefore requiring more foam. Ideal working temperature is 75 to 80 degrees F or above. > Accurate measuring of these products is extremely critical. > On 28/06/2019, at 11:04 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Not my forte, but given the hardness of this product when cured is there really an expectation that it is going to deform in a visually measurable way and spring back into shape from a depth test? Seems like it's more likely to either structurally fail or not with obvious non-elastic results such as cracks, cavities, etc, hence the weight test to see if it absorbs water. I'm thinking the dunk test from the sailboat is a good first start. > > The cost of this product seems to be on par with trawler floats from a pound to pound buoyancy perspective but it has the advantage of allowing custom shaping. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jul 9 13:29:17 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 07:29:17 -1000 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 In-Reply-To: <007001d5361d$e8ffd710$baff8530$@telus.net> References: <775317860.4080538.1562586847724.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <775317860.4080538.1562586847724@mail.yahoo.com> <421671879.2751400.1562592193493@mail.yahoo.com> <235852344.2919564.1562621442150@mail.yahoo.com> <443533152.3004718.1562634819439@mail.yahoo.com> <8E56D783-9ED0-49B4-B6D1-188155079CA7@yahoo.com> <007001d5361d$e8ffd710$baff8530$@telus.net> Message-ID: Thanks Tim On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 8:18 PM T Novak via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > It's in the Upper Keys, south west of Key Largo, north east of Marathon. > > Tim > > > > *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: > personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Patton via > Personal_Submersibles > *Sent:* Monday, July 8, 2019 9:51 PM > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 > > > > What part of the Key's is Islamorada? > > Rick > > > > On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 6:47 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Will look forward to the reports from that trip! > > Alan > > > On 9/07/2019, at 1:13 PM, via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Our ship is like 70 feet longer than Alucia, so maybe that will dampen > some of that of such fun southern ocean stuff. And everyone runs for cover > at one time or another. Maybe we'll sneak in for a beer while if we run > into WOW conditions. Waiting On Weather. > > Vance > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 6:10 pm > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 > > So sounds like you will be crossing 1000km of the worst waters in the > World. > > Don't forget your sea sick pills! > > I mentioned Auckland because that was the route the Tritan team took on > > Alucia. > > Alan > > > On 9/07/2019, at 9:30 AM, via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Coming out of Peru, and headed for the science station, as I understand > it. There is a schedule somewhere in my files. Damned if I know where. > Don't remember a stop an NZ stop right off hand, sorry to say. > > Vance > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 5:03 pm > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 > > Vance, > > any details on the Antarctica trip; ship, route, crew, mission etc. > > Wondering if you are coming via Auckland N.Z. > > That's a big undertaking. > > Alan > > > On 9/07/2019, at 1:23 AM, via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > If I'm not at sea, then I could do some sort of presentation on Pisces VI. > We're headed out for harbor trials and certification this fall, with > projects already on the books for next year. Including the Antarctica trip. > But there is (or should be) time in between for me to get home and catch up > on the laundry. And who doesn't love Islamorada? > > Vance > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 7:54 am > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 > > It's been a while since we held a PSUBS convention. After talking to a > couple of people who have expressed interest in such event, I'm suggesting > Islamorada (Florida Keys) in late March 2020 as a target location/date. > Exact date to be determined, but could be any time between January and > May. The only major holiday I am aware of is Easter which falls on April > 12, 2020. Our rationale is that we have good resources and services in > this location, both air and water are warm, underwater visibility is > typically good, and it's a vacation destination if you want to bring family > or extend your stay to visit Key West, Everglades, Miami Beach, or other > activities. > > > > This event would include diving and presentations such as updates on > submarine fabrication and reports on activities such as the Lake Tahoe and > Flathead Lake expeditions. I've located at least one barge that can > provide surface transport and support for 2-3 submarines and bring them to > a 200-300 foot diving location. > > > > We can consider other location alternatives, however the requirements for > such suggestions are resources, services, and support including hotels, > restaurants, dive shops, water ingress, and your ability to act as > coordinator for that alternative location. > > > > Discussion? > > > > Jon > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rick On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 6:41 AM Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > I think I paid about $90 after the PSUBS discount. > > Best, > Alec > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 9, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Those of you that have purchased Sherwin Williams paint, I was quoted > $142.49 for a 1-Gallon kit of Macropoxy 646 Fast Cure (1 gallon part A, 1 > gallon part B). Does that sound about right? > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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See?PSUBS.ORG | | | | PSUBS.ORG | | | On Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 01:45:31 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Does that Macropoxy fast cure only come is one color and then you can add to it to get the color you want?Rick On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 6:41 AM Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I think I paid about $90 after the PSUBS discount. Best,Alec Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Those of you that have purchased Sherwin Williams paint, I was quoted $142.49 for a 1-Gallon kit of Macropoxy 646 Fast Cure (1 gallon part A, 1 gallon part B).? Does that sound about right? 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Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 3:30 PM Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Check out my new lifting arm ! > > Brian > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rick On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 10:34 AM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > No Rick, my understanding is that Macropoxy 646 is a primer (white only) > and you can top-coat it with Sher-loxane 800 that comes in about 5 colors. > See PSUBS.ORG > > PSUBS.ORG > > > > > > On Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 01:45:31 PM EDT, Rick Patton via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Does that Macropoxy fast cure only come is one color and then you can add > to it to get the color you want? > Rick > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 6:41 AM Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > I think I paid about $90 after the PSUBS discount. > > Best, > Alec > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 9, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Those of you that have purchased Sherwin Williams paint, I was quoted > $142.49 for a 1-Gallon kit of Macropoxy 646 Fast Cure (1 gallon part A, 1 > gallon part B). 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jul 9 21:11:24 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 01:11:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull Painting In-Reply-To: References: <975032349.1154881.1561400713093.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <975032349.1154881.1561400713093@mail.yahoo.com> <1496606677.1232868.1561412866959@mail.yahoo.com> <1854370825.1329207.1561421620450@mail.yahoo.com> <1876912506.510094.1562688888802@mail.yahoo.com> <2194A8FC-8123-45ED-A6D6-A8A93BBCDBEC@gmail.com> <597726873.439790.1562704318360@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2006943497.559121.1562721084042@mail.yahoo.com> Rick, I'm not sure I'd call it "only" a primer.? SW calls it that, but it's probably going to be my finish coat as well. 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Rick On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 3:12 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Rick, I'm not sure I'd call it "only" a primer. SW calls it that, but > it's probably going to be my finish coat as well. > > On Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 07:06:48 PM EDT, Rick Patton via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Ok gotcha > the Macropoxy is only a primer and the Sher-Loxane 800 is the finish coat? > Rick > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jon On Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 09:28:52 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: JonThat was why I responded the way I did for clarification. Are you saying that the Macropoxy and Sher-Lozane have the same propertys and that I would want to use the Sher-Lozane if i wanted a color other than White?Rick On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 3:12 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Rick, I'm not sure I'd call it "only" a primer.? SW calls it that, but it's probably going to be my finish coat as well. On Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 07:06:48 PM EDT, Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Ok gotcha?the Macropoxy is only a primer and the Sher-Loxane 800 is the finish coat?Rick _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jul 10 01:14:10 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 17:14:10 +1200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sea trials for Noctiluca (s-101) in monterey july 9-11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Shanee, love to hear a report on how you get on! Alan > On 9/07/2019, at 5:33 PM, Shanee Stopnitzky via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Just wanted to let you all know we?re finally doing sea trials with Noctiluca over the next few days in Monterey, CA. Ping me if you want to join! > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jul 10 07:49:36 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 11:49:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sea trials for Noctiluca (s-101) in monterey july 9-11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <187395090.183239.1562759376617@mail.yahoo.com> Shanee, what kind of sea trials? ?surface? diving? to what depth?Hank On Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 11:14:30 PM MDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Shanee, love to hear a report on how you get on! Alan > On 9/07/2019, at 5:33 PM, Shanee Stopnitzky via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Just wanted to let you all know we?re finally doing sea trials with Noctiluca over the next few days in Monterey, CA. Ping me if you want to join! > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We should have fun photos and video later today. > On Jul 10, 2019, at 4:49 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Shanee, what kind of sea trials? surface? diving? to what depth? > Hank > > On Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 11:14:30 PM MDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Shanee, > love to hear a report on how you get on! > Alan > > > On 9/07/2019, at 5:33 PM, Shanee Stopnitzky via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > > Just wanted to let you all know we?re finally doing sea trials with Noctiluca over the next few days in Monterey, CA. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jul 10 11:40:27 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 08:40:27 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sea trials for Noctiluca (s-101) in monterey july 9-11 In-Reply-To: References: <187395090.183239.1562759376617@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Shanee, Good Luck on your Sea Trials. Could you include some data like GPS coordinates and visibility at depth also. Sometimes the visibility in the area can be great. Monterey will be one of SeaQuestors main go to locations in the future. Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 8:32 AM Shanee Stopnitzky via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > Surface, and diving to ~60? if all systems check okay. So far so good! > She?s in the water and everything we?ve tested is functioning. We should > have fun photos and video later today. > > > On Jul 10, 2019, at 4:49 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Shanee, what kind of sea trials? surface? diving? to what depth? > Hank > > On Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 11:14:30 PM MDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Shanee, > love to hear a report on how you get on! > Alan > > > On 9/07/2019, at 5:33 PM, Shanee Stopnitzky via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > Just wanted to let you all know we?re finally doing sea trials with > Noctiluca over the next few days in Monterey, CA. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jul 12 08:57:13 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 12:57:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation In-Reply-To: <20190711174347.43D753F9@m0117457.ppops.net> References: <20190711174347.43D753F9@m0117457.ppops.net> Message-ID: <860652249.866790.1562936233792@mail.yahoo.com> Brian, thats' a good plan. ?The cheapest way to gain buoyancy is to remove weight if possible.Hank On Thursday, July 11, 2019, 6:44:00 PM MDT, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi all,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?I think I'm going to do another test with that foam.? This time I will encapsulate it with epoxy?and fiberglass and drop it down. ? My sub is going on a serious diet.? I'm cutting out a significant section of the upper ferro-cement area and replacing it with epoxy?fiberglass which will be bonded to the ferro-cement.? It will be a bit different shape, but the whole area is underneath the fiberglass shell so it won,t really look any different with the shell on.? ?I always though I could compensate for that weight by having flotation cylinders there but I just didn't control the thickness of the ferro-cement and it probably should have been fiberglass all along anyway.? The bottom of the ferro ballast hull will still be the the existing hull .? It will be a lot of weight that I'll be losing.? Maybe 1,500 lbs, if the section I cut out is any indication.?? Brian ???? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 23:17:21 -0700 Alan,? ? ? ? ? ? ?Yes it's puzzling the mechanism?at work allowing it to take on water.? It could be that the small bubbles of foam that make up the matrix?of the foam itself are simply not strong enough to handle the water pressure.? But it's interesting that it can take a rated pressure ( parallel applied pressure) and not be crushed but then on the other hand will absorb water.? From the look of it you would never think that water would penetrate it, the outside of the foam seems nonporous.? Might be instructive looking at it under a microscope.?? Brian ? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 16:57:52 +1200 Brian,I am wondering how it absorbed water, seeing it's a marine product.Do you think there may have been a break down on a microscopic level throughthe water being forced in under pressure.Anyway, good that you got a result. Imagine if it had absorbed water more slowlyso that it wasn't detectable in the short time that you tested it.Alan On 9/07/2019, at 1:43 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Bad news,? the test piece that I dropped down to 900'? , it didn't crush , but it absorbed water.? So it lost a lot of its buoyancy.? ? Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 16:15:09 -0700 Alan,? ? ? ? ? ? ? I've done one small test piece so far and it did give off some heat.? I'm planning on doing a larger piece that I'm going to drop in the ocean, it will be interesting to see how that goes.? I'm more inclined to pour larger amounts for a couple of reasons, first I think you get a better and more accurate mix of the A and B, and also where I'm pouring into my cavities I don't want to inadvertently seal off areas that I will not be able to get to to complete the pour.? So I'd rather error on over pouring a bit so I have foam pushing out the vent holes.?? Brian ? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 09:18:40 +1200 All,as we are talking about testing this for General Psubs use I'll elaborateon something I mentioned earlier.In the product specifications below it mentions that in the setting of this productthe temperature is critical, & that temperatures below 75 degrees F will make adenser product. One would assume that temperatures above 75 F would makea less dense & hence weaker product.?With 2 part chemical reactions there is generally a heat produced & this is?exponentially greater the thicker the pour. I used to use casting resins for art& they would get very hot on thick casts.If this were the case then filling any large voids in one pour may cause thecentre of the material to be a lot weaker than the outside.To check this we could ask the rep about thick pours, do a thick pour & cut itin cross section to see if it is less dense in the middle or stick a heat probe inthe middle of the pour to check for an increased temperature. - All expansion rates and times given are temperature critical. Temperatures below 75 degrees F will lower the expansion rate therefore requiring more foam. Ideal working temperature is 75 to 80 degrees F or above. - Accurate measuring of these products is extremely critical. Alan - All expansion rates and times given are temperature critical. Temperatures below 75 degrees F will lower the expansion rate therefore requiring more foam. Ideal working temperature is 75 to 80 degrees F or above. - Accurate measuring of these products is extremely critical. On 28/06/2019, at 11:04 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Not my forte, but given the hardness of this product when cured is there really an expectation that it is going to deform in a visually measurable way and spring back into shape from a depth test?? Seems like it's more likely to either structurally fail or not with obvious non-elastic results such as cracks, cavities, etc, hence the weight test to see if it absorbs water.? I'm thinking the dunk test from the sailboat is a good first start. The cost of this product seems to be on par with trawler floats from a pound to pound buoyancy perspective but it has the advantage of allowing custom shaping.? I'm interested in the results. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jul 12 20:37:00 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 17:37:00 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Minn Kota C2 vs Riptide Message-ID: <001f01d53913$1664e310$432ea930$@telus.net> It is time to re-motor the SportSub. Currently it has 42lb thrust Minn Kota motors, one corroded and unusable, the other working well. Locally I can pick up the Endura C2 40lb for $250, or the Riptide 45lb for $400. The Riptide is marketed for salt water use. Has anyone any advice as to whether or not the Riptide is worth the extra $150? The extra 5 pounds of thrust is not relevant since the hull is far from hydrodynamic efficiency and I would just us more battery power to go no faster. The thrusters must have the same thrust rating, so I need to get two new. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 5:57 AM To: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Brian, thats' a good plan. The cheapest way to gain buoyancy is to remove weight if possible. Hank On Thursday, July 11, 2019, 6:44:00 PM MDT, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Hi all, I think I'm going to do another test with that foam. This time I will encapsulate it with epoxy and fiberglass and drop it down. My sub is going on a serious diet. I'm cutting out a significant section of the upper ferro-cement area and replacing it with epoxy fiberglass which will be bonded to the ferro-cement. It will be a bit different shape, but the whole area is underneath the fiberglass shell so it won,t really look any different with the shell on. I always though I could compensate for that weight by having flotation cylinders there but I just didn't control the thickness of the ferro-cement and it probably should have been fiberglass all along anyway. The bottom of the ferro ballast hull will still be the the existing hull . It will be a lot of weight that I'll be losing. Maybe 1,500 lbs, if the section I cut out is any indication. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 23:17:21 -0700 Alan, Yes it's puzzling the mechanism at work allowing it to take on water. It could be that the small bubbles of foam that make up the matrix of the foam itself are simply not strong enough to handle the water pressure. But it's interesting that it can take a rated pressure ( parallel applied pressure) and not be crushed but then on the other hand will absorb water. From the look of it you would never think that water would penetrate it, the outside of the foam seems nonporous. Might be instructive looking at it under a microscope. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 16:57:52 +1200 Brian, I am wondering how it absorbed water, seeing it's a marine product. Do you think there may have been a break down on a microscopic level through the water being forced in under pressure. Anyway, good that you got a result. Imagine if it had absorbed water more slowly so that it wasn't detectable in the short time that you tested it. Alan On 9/07/2019, at 1:43 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Bad news, the test piece that I dropped down to 900' , it didn't crush , but it absorbed water. So it lost a lot of its buoyancy. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 16:15:09 -0700 Alan, I've done one small test piece so far and it did give off some heat. I'm planning on doing a larger piece that I'm going to drop in the ocean, it will be interesting to see how that goes. I'm more inclined to pour larger amounts for a couple of reasons, first I think you get a better and more accurate mix of the A and B, and also where I'm pouring into my cavities I don't want to inadvertently seal off areas that I will not be able to get to to complete the pour. So I'd rather error on over pouring a bit so I have foam pushing out the vent holes. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 09:18:40 +1200 All, as we are talking about testing this for General Psubs use I'll elaborate on something I mentioned earlier. In the product specifications below it mentions that in the setting of this product the temperature is critical, & that temperatures below 75 degrees F will make a denser product. One would assume that temperatures above 75 F would make a less dense & hence weaker product. With 2 part chemical reactions there is generally a heat produced & this is exponentially greater the thicker the pour. I used to use casting resins for art & they would get very hot on thick casts. If this were the case then filling any large voids in one pour may cause the centre of the material to be a lot weaker than the outside. To check this we could ask the rep about thick pours, do a thick pour & cut it in cross section to see if it is less dense in the middle or stick a heat probe in the middle of the pour to check for an increased temperature. * All expansion rates and times given are temperature critical. Temperatures below 75 degrees F will lower the expansion rate therefore requiring more foam. Ideal working temperature is 75 to 80 degrees F or above. * Accurate measuring of these products is extremely critical. Alan * All expansion rates and times given are temperature critical. Temperatures below 75 degrees F will lower the expansion rate therefore requiring more foam. Ideal working temperature is 75 to 80 degrees F or above. * Accurate measuring of these products is extremely critical. On 28/06/2019, at 11:04 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Not my forte, but given the hardness of this product when cured is there really an expectation that it is going to deform in a visually measurable way and spring back into shape from a depth test? Seems like it's more likely to either structurally fail or not with obvious non-elastic results such as cracks, cavities, etc, hence the weight test to see if it absorbs water. I'm thinking the dunk test from the sailboat is a good first start. The cost of this product seems to be on par with trawler floats from a pound to pound buoyancy perspective but it has the advantage of allowing custom shaping. I'm interested in the results. Should we invest in a small amount of this product and put it to some more rigorous pressure testing? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jul 12 20:43:38 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 17:43:38 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Minn Kota C2 vs Riptide In-Reply-To: <001f01d53913$1664e310$432ea930$@telus.net> References: <001f01d53913$1664e310$432ea930$@telus.net> Message-ID: Hi Tim, I am using (6) Minn Kota 101 (4) for horizontal thrust and (2) vertical, I paid about $ 556 each including the PWM. My supplier is in Sacramento. Best Regards, David Colombo 804 College Ave Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 (707) 536-1424 www.SeaQuestor.com On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 5:38 PM T Novak via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > It is time to re-motor the SportSub. Currently it has 42lb thrust Minn > Kota motors, one corroded and unusable, the other working well. Locally I > can pick up the Endura C2 40lb for $250, or the Riptide 45lb for $400. The > Riptide is marketed for salt water use. Has anyone any advice as to > whether or not the Riptide is worth the extra $150? The extra 5 pounds of > thrust is not relevant since the hull is far from hydrodynamic efficiency > and I would just us more battery power to go no faster. The thrusters must > have the same thrust rating, so I need to get two new. > > > > Tim > > > > *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: > personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *hank pronk via > Personal_Submersibles > *Sent:* Friday, July 12, 2019 5:57 AM > *To:* Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation > > > > Brian, thats' a good plan. The cheapest way to gain buoyancy is to remove > weight if possible. > > Hank > > > > On Thursday, July 11, 2019, 6:44:00 PM MDT, Brian Cox via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > I think I'm going to do another test with that foam. > This time I will encapsulate it with epoxy and fiberglass and drop it down. > > > > My sub is going on a serious diet. I'm cutting out a significant > section of the upper ferro-cement area and replacing it with > epoxy fiberglass which will be bonded to the ferro-cement. It will be a > bit different shape, but the whole area is underneath the fiberglass shell > so it won,t really look any different with the shell on. I always though > I could compensate for that weight by having flotation cylinders there but > I just didn't control the thickness of the ferro-cement and it probably > should have been fiberglass all along anyway. The bottom of the ferro > ballast hull will still be the the existing hull . It will be a lot of > weight that I'll be losing. Maybe 1,500 lbs, if the section I cut out is > any indication. > > > > Brian > > > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation > Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 23:17:21 -0700 > > Alan, > > Yes it's puzzling the mechanism at work allowing it to take > on water. It could be that the small bubbles of foam that make up the > matrix of the foam itself are simply not strong enough to handle the water > pressure. But it's interesting that it can take a rated pressure ( > parallel applied pressure) and not be crushed but then on the other hand > will absorb water. From the look of it you would never think that water > would penetrate it, the outside of the foam seems nonporous. Might be > instructive looking at it under a microscope. > > > > Brian > > > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation > Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 16:57:52 +1200 > > Brian, > > I am wondering how it absorbed water, seeing it's a marine product. > > Do you think there may have been a break down on a microscopic level > through > > the water being forced in under pressure. > > Anyway, good that you got a result. Imagine if it had absorbed water more > slowly > > so that it wasn't detectable in the short time that you tested it. > > Alan > > > On 9/07/2019, at 1:43 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Bad news, the test piece that I dropped down to 900' , it didn't crush , > but it absorbed water. So it lost a lot of its buoyancy. > > > > Brian > > > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation > Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 16:15:09 -0700 > > Alan, I've done one small test piece so far and it did give > off some heat. I'm planning on doing a larger piece that I'm going to drop > in the ocean, it will be interesting to see how that goes. I'm more > inclined to pour larger amounts for a couple of reasons, first I think you > get a better and more accurate mix of the A and B, and also where I'm > pouring into my cavities I don't want to inadvertently seal off areas that > I will not be able to get to to complete the pour. So I'd rather error on > over pouring a bit so I have foam pushing out the vent holes. > > > > Brian > > > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation > Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 09:18:40 +1200 > > All, > > as we are talking about testing this for General Psubs use I'll elaborate > > on something I mentioned earlier. > > In the product specifications below it mentions that in the setting of > this product > > the temperature is critical, & that temperatures below 75 degrees F will > make a > > denser product. One would assume that temperatures above 75 F would make > > a less dense & hence weaker product. > > With 2 part chemical reactions there is generally a heat produced & this > is > > exponentially greater the thicker the pour. I used to use casting resins > for art > > & they would get very hot on thick casts. > > If this were the case then filling any large voids in one pour may cause > the > > centre of the material to be a lot weaker than the outside. > > To check this we could ask the rep about thick pours, do a thick pour & > cut it > > in cross section to see if it is less dense in the middle or stick a heat > probe in > > the middle of the pour to check for an increased temperature. > > - All expansion rates and times given are temperature critical. > Temperatures below 75 degrees F will lower the expansion rate therefore > requiring more foam. Ideal working temperature is 75 to 80 degrees F or > above. > - Accurate measuring of these products is extremely critical. > > Alan > > > > - All expansion rates and times given are temperature critical. > Temperatures below 75 degrees F will lower the expansion rate therefore > requiring more foam. Ideal working temperature is 75 to 80 degrees F or > above. > - Accurate measuring of these products is extremely critical. > > On 28/06/2019, at 11:04 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Not my forte, but given the hardness of this product when cured is there > really an expectation that it is going to deform in a visually measurable > way and spring back into shape from a depth test? Seems like it's more > likely to either structurally fail or not with obvious non-elastic results > such as cracks, cavities, etc, hence the weight test to see if it absorbs > water. I'm thinking the dunk test from the sailboat is a good first start. > > > > The cost of this product seems to be on par with trawler floats from a > pound to pound buoyancy perspective but it has the advantage of allowing > custom shaping. 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WE ARE AN AUTHORIZED MINN KOTA DEALER AND WARRANTY CENTER AND WILL BE HAPPY TO HELP WITH ANYTHING YOU MAY HAVE. ... | | | On Friday, July 12, 2019, 07:38:01 PM CDT, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: It is time to re-motor the SportSub.? Currently it has 42lb thrust Minn Kota motors, one corroded and unusable, the other working well.? Locally I can pick up the Endura C2 40lb for $250, or the Riptide 45lb for $400. The Riptide is marketed for salt water use.? Has anyone any advice as to whether or not the Riptide is worth the extra $150? The extra 5 pounds of thrust is not relevant since the hull is far from hydrodynamic efficiency and I would just us more battery power to go no faster. The thrusters must have the same thrust rating, so I need to get two new. ? Tim ? From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 5:57 AM To: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation ? Brian, thats' a good plan. ?The cheapest way to gain buoyancy is to remove weight if possible. Hank ? On Thursday, July 11, 2019, 6:44:00 PM MDT, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? ? Hi all, ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?I think I'm going to do another test with that foam.? This time I will encapsulate it with epoxy?and fiberglass and drop it down. ? ? My sub is going on a serious diet.? I'm cutting out a significant section of the upper ferro-cement area and replacing it with epoxy?fiberglass which will be bonded to the ferro-cement.? It will be a bit different shape, but the whole area is underneath the fiberglass shell so it won,t really look any different with the shell on.? ?I always though I could compensate for that weight by having flotation cylinders there but I just didn't control the thickness of the ferro-cement and it probably should have been fiberglass all along anyway.? The bottom of the ferro ballast hull will still be the the existing hull .? It will be a lot of weight that I'll be losing.? Maybe 1,500 lbs, if the section I cut out is any indication.?? ? Brian ? ???? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 23:17:21 -0700 Alan, ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Yes it's puzzling the mechanism?at work allowing it to take on water.? It could be that the small bubbles of foam that make up the matrix?of the foam itself are simply not strong enough to handle the water pressure.? But it's interesting that it can take a rated pressure ( parallel applied pressure) and not be crushed but then on the other hand will absorb water.? From the look of it you would never think that water would penetrate it, the outside of the foam seems nonporous.? Might be instructive looking at it under a microscope.?? ? Brian ? ? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 16:57:52 +1200 Brian, I am wondering how it absorbed water, seeing it's a marine product. Do you think there may have been a break down on a microscopic level through the water being forced in under pressure. Anyway, good that you got a result. Imagine if it had absorbed water more slowly so that it wasn't detectable in the short time that you tested it. Alan On 9/07/2019, at 1:43 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Bad news,? the test piece that I dropped down to 900'? , it didn't crush , but it absorbed water.? So it lost a lot of its buoyancy.? ? ? Brian ? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 16:15:09 -0700 Alan,? ? ? ? ? ? ? I've done one small test piece so far and it did give off some heat.? I'm planning on doing a larger piece that I'm going to drop in the ocean, it will be interesting to see how that goes.? I'm more inclined to pour larger amounts for a couple of reasons, first I think you get a better and more accurate mix of the A and B, and also where I'm pouring into my cavities I don't want to inadvertently seal off areas that I will not be able to get to to complete the pour.? So I'd rather error on over pouring a bit so I have foam pushing out the vent holes.?? ? Brian ? ? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 09:18:40 +1200 All, as we are talking about testing this for General Psubs use I'll elaborate on something I mentioned earlier. In the product specifications below it mentions that in the setting of this product the temperature is critical, & that temperatures below 75 degrees F will make a denser product. One would assume that temperatures above 75 F would make a less dense & hence weaker product.? With 2 part chemical reactions there is generally a heat produced & this is? exponentially greater the thicker the pour. I used to use casting resins for art & they would get very hot on thick casts. If this were the case then filling any large voids in one pour may cause the centre of the material to be a lot weaker than the outside. To check this we could ask the rep about thick pours, do a thick pour & cut it in cross section to see if it is less dense in the middle or stick a heat probe in the middle of the pour to check for an increased temperature. - All expansion rates and times given are temperature critical. Temperatures below 75 degrees F will lower the expansion rate therefore requiring more foam. Ideal working temperature is 75 to 80 degrees F or above. - Accurate measuring of these products is extremely critical. Alan ? - All expansion rates and times given are temperature critical. Temperatures below 75 degrees F will lower the expansion rate therefore requiring more foam. Ideal working temperature is 75 to 80 degrees F or above. - Accurate measuring of these products is extremely critical. On 28/06/2019, at 11:04 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Not my forte, but given the hardness of this product when cured is there really an expectation that it is going to deform in a visually measurable way and spring back into shape from a depth test?? Seems like it's more likely to either structurally fail or not with obvious non-elastic results such as cracks, cavities, etc, hence the weight test to see if it absorbs water.? I'm thinking the dunk test from the sailboat is a good first start. ? The cost of this product seems to be on par with trawler floats from a pound to pound buoyancy perspective but it has the advantage of allowing custom shaping.? I'm interested in the results. ? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jul 12 22:48:21 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 02:48:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Minn Kota C2 vs Riptide In-Reply-To: <348026089.1259373.1562982347916@mail.yahoo.com> References: <001f01d53913$1664e310$432ea930$@telus.net> <348026089.1259373.1562982347916@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <485928612.630419.1562986101259@mail.yahoo.com> Supposedly the saltwater version has a longer lasting anode, better paint, and uses stainless steel hardware.? We did a group purchase a few years ago with Northland Marine (I think) and pretty sure I paid $250/each for four saltwater 36vdc RipTide 101 lower units.? This included propeller but not the motor controller or anything else. We could put together another group purchase if there's enough demand. Jon On Friday, July 12, 2019, 09:48:00 PM EDT, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I have had good luck with the Minn Kota 101 lower units?MINN KOTA MAXXUM 101 POUND TROLLING MOTOR LOWER UNIT ASSEMBLY PN# 2886289 | eBay? ?$265.? I don't think there is any real difference with the Rip Tide version other than marketing. Cliff | | | | $265.00 | | | | | | | MINN KOTA MAXXUM 101 POUND TROLLING MOTOR LOWER UNIT ASSEMBLY PN# 288628... WE ARE AN AUTHORIZED MINN KOTA DEALER AND WARRANTY CENTER AND WILL BE HAPPY TO HELP WITH ANYTHING YOU MAY HAVE. ... | | | -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cliff MINN KOTA MAXXUM 101 POUND TROLLING MOTOR LOWER UNIT ASSEMBLY PN# 288628... WE ARE AN AUTHORIZED MINN KOTA DEALER AND WARRANTY CENTER AND WILL BE HAPPY TO HELP WITH ANYTHING YOU MAY HAVE. ... On Friday, July 12, 2019, 07:38:01 PM CDT, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: It is time to re-motor the SportSub. Currently it has 42lb thrust Minn Kota motors, one corroded and unusable, the other working well. Locally I can pick up the Endura C2 40lb for $250, or the Riptide 45lb for $400. The Riptide is marketed for salt water use. Has anyone any advice as to whether or not the Riptide is worth the extra $150? The extra 5 pounds of thrust is not relevant since the hull is far from hydrodynamic efficiency and I would just us more battery power to go no faster. The thrusters must have the same thrust rating, so I need to get two new. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 5:57 AM To: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Brian, thats' a good plan. The cheapest way to gain buoyancy is to remove weight if possible. Hank On Thursday, July 11, 2019, 6:44:00 PM MDT, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Hi all, I think I'm going to do another test with that foam. This time I will encapsulate it with epoxy and fiberglass and drop it down. My sub is going on a serious diet. I'm cutting out a significant section of the upper ferro-cement area and replacing it with epoxy fiberglass which will be bonded to the ferro-cement. It will be a bit different shape, but the whole area is underneath the fiberglass shell so it won,t really look any different with the shell on. I always though I could compensate for that weight by having flotation cylinders there but I just didn't control the thickness of the ferro-cement and it probably should have been fiberglass all along anyway. The bottom of the ferro ballast hull will still be the the existing hull . It will be a lot of weight that I'll be losing. Maybe 1,500 lbs, if the section I cut out is any indication. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 23:17:21 -0700 Alan, Yes it's puzzling the mechanism at work allowing it to take on water. It could be that the small bubbles of foam that make up the matrix of the foam itself are simply not strong enough to handle the water pressure. But it's interesting that it can take a rated pressure ( parallel applied pressure) and not be crushed but then on the other hand will absorb water. From the look of it you would never think that water would penetrate it, the outside of the foam seems nonporous. Might be instructive looking at it under a microscope. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 16:57:52 +1200 Brian, I am wondering how it absorbed water, seeing it's a marine product. Do you think there may have been a break down on a microscopic level through the water being forced in under pressure. Anyway, good that you got a result. Imagine if it had absorbed water more slowly so that it wasn't detectable in the short time that you tested it. Alan On 9/07/2019, at 1:43 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Bad news, the test piece that I dropped down to 900' , it didn't crush , but it absorbed water. So it lost a lot of its buoyancy. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 16:15:09 -0700 Alan, I've done one small test piece so far and it did give off some heat. I'm planning on doing a larger piece that I'm going to drop in the ocean, it will be interesting to see how that goes. I'm more inclined to pour larger amounts for a couple of reasons, first I think you get a better and more accurate mix of the A and B, and also where I'm pouring into my cavities I don't want to inadvertently seal off areas that I will not be able to get to to complete the pour. So I'd rather error on over pouring a bit so I have foam pushing out the vent holes. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 09:18:40 +1200 All, as we are talking about testing this for General Psubs use I'll elaborate on something I mentioned earlier. In the product specifications below it mentions that in the setting of this product the temperature is critical, & that temperatures below 75 degrees F will make a denser product. One would assume that temperatures above 75 F would make a less dense & hence weaker product. With 2 part chemical reactions there is generally a heat produced & this is exponentially greater the thicker the pour. I used to use casting resins for art & they would get very hot on thick casts. If this were the case then filling any large voids in one pour may cause the centre of the material to be a lot weaker than the outside. To check this we could ask the rep about thick pours, do a thick pour & cut it in cross section to see if it is less dense in the middle or stick a heat probe in the middle of the pour to check for an increased temperature. * All expansion rates and times given are temperature critical. Temperatures below 75 degrees F will lower the expansion rate therefore requiring more foam. Ideal working temperature is 75 to 80 degrees F or above. * Accurate measuring of these products is extremely critical. Alan * All expansion rates and times given are temperature critical. Temperatures below 75 degrees F will lower the expansion rate therefore requiring more foam. Ideal working temperature is 75 to 80 degrees F or above. * Accurate measuring of these products is extremely critical. On 28/06/2019, at 11:04 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Not my forte, but given the hardness of this product when cured is there really an expectation that it is going to deform in a visually measurable way and spring back into shape from a depth test? Seems like it's more likely to either structurally fail or not with obvious non-elastic results such as cracks, cavities, etc, hence the weight test to see if it absorbs water. I'm thinking the dunk test from the sailboat is a good first start. The cost of this product seems to be on par with trawler floats from a pound to pound buoyancy perspective but it has the advantage of allowing custom shaping. I'm interested in the results. 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This is good information regarding the salt water vision. I will be in fresh water for the near future, but may want to go tidal at some time. A group purchase sounds good. At this time I am limited to 40 - 45 pound thrust motors. My local price is for the full on trolling motor that I will part and use only the lower thruster heads as the existing controller still functions. Cabela's and Bass Pro appear to be the same company now. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 7:48 PM To: T Novak via Personal_Submersibles Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Minn Kota C2 vs Riptide Supposedly the saltwater version has a longer lasting anode, better paint, and uses stainless steel hardware. We did a group purchase a few years ago with Northland Marine (I think) and pretty sure I paid $250/each for four saltwater 36vdc RipTide 101 lower units. This included propeller but not the motor controller or anything else. We could put together another group purchase if there's enough demand. Jon On Friday, July 12, 2019, 09:48:00 PM EDT, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: I have had good luck with the Minn Kota 101 lower units MINN KOTA MAXXUM 101 POUND TROLLING MOTOR LOWER UNIT ASSEMBLY PN# 2886289 | eBay $265. I don't think there is any real difference with the Rip Tide version other than marketing. Cliff $265.00 MINN KOTA MAXXUM 101 POUND TROLLING MOTOR LOWER UNIT ASSEMBLY PN# 288628... WE ARE AN AUTHORIZED MINN KOTA DEALER AND WARRANTY CENTER AND WILL BE HAPPY TO HELP WITH ANYTHING YOU MAY HAVE. ... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 350 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jul 13 05:44:46 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 09:44:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Minn Kota C2 vs Riptide In-Reply-To: <004a01d53929$49b1a940$dd14fbc0$@telus.net> References: <001f01d53913$1664e310$432ea930$@telus.net> <348026089.1259373.1562982347916@mail.yahoo.com> <485928612.630419.1562986101259@mail.yahoo.com> <004a01d53929$49b1a940$dd14fbc0$@telus.net> Message-ID: <1131373765.1299180.1563011086092@mail.yahoo.com> Tim,?I picked up a brand new trolling motor for my inflatable on Kijiji for 85 dollars. ?Check it out if your not in a big rush, you might get lucky.Hank On Friday, July 12, 2019, 9:16:13 PM MDT, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: #yiv1636595038 #yiv1636595038 -- _filtered #yiv1636595038 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv1636595038 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv1636595038 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv1636595038 {panose-1:2 11 5 2 4 2 4 2 2 3;}#yiv1636595038 #yiv1636595038 p.yiv1636595038MsoNormal, #yiv1636595038 li.yiv1636595038MsoNormal, #yiv1636595038 div.yiv1636595038MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New serif;}#yiv1636595038 h2 {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:18.0pt;font-family:New serif;}#yiv1636595038 a:link, #yiv1636595038 span.yiv1636595038MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1636595038 a:visited, #yiv1636595038 span.yiv1636595038MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1636595038 span.yiv1636595038Heading2Char {font-family:sans-serif;color:#2E74B5;}#yiv1636595038 p.yiv1636595038ydpdac23afeyiv9268188354ydp3bd1a60bcard-description, #yiv1636595038 li.yiv1636595038ydpdac23afeyiv9268188354ydp3bd1a60bcard-description, #yiv1636595038 div.yiv1636595038ydpdac23afeyiv9268188354ydp3bd1a60bcard-description {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New serif;}#yiv1636595038 span.yiv1636595038EmailStyle19 {font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;}#yiv1636595038 .yiv1636595038MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv1636595038 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv1636595038 div.yiv1636595038WordSection1 {}#yiv1636595038 Thanks, Jon. ? This is good information regarding the salt water vision.? I will be in fresh water for the near future, but may want to go tidal at some time.? ? A group purchase sounds good. At this time I am limited to 40 - 45 pound thrust motors. ? My local price is for the full on trolling motor that I will part and use only the lower thruster heads as the existing controller still functions. Cabela's and Bass Pro appear to be the same company now. ? Tim ? From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 7:48 PM To: T Novak via Personal_Submersibles Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Minn Kota C2 vs Riptide ? Supposedly the saltwater version has a longer lasting anode, better paint, and uses stainless steel hardware.? We did a group purchase a few years ago with Northland Marine (I think) and pretty sure I paid $250/each for four saltwater 36vdc RipTide 101 lower units.? This included propeller but not the motor controller or anything else. ? We could put together another group purchase if there's enough demand. ? Jon ? ? ? ? On Friday, July 12, 2019, 09:48:00 PM EDT, Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? ? I have had good luck with the Minn Kota 101 lower units?MINN KOTA MAXXUM 101 POUND TROLLING MOTOR LOWER UNIT ASSEMBLY PN# 2886289 | eBay? ?$265.? I don't think there is any real difference with the Rip Tide version other than marketing. ? Cliff ? | | | | $265.00 | | | | | | | MINN KOTA MAXXUM 101 POUND TROLLING MOTOR LOWER UNIT ASSEMBLY PN# 288628... WE ARE AN AUTHORIZED MINN KOTA DEALER AND WARRANTY CENTER AND WILL BE HAPPY TO HELP WITH ANYTHING YOU MAY HAVE. ... | | | ? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Currently it has 42lb thrust Minn > Kota motors, one corroded and unusable, the other working well. Locally I > can pick up the Endura C2 40lb for $250, or the Riptide 45lb for $400. The > Riptide is marketed for salt water use. Has anyone any advice as to > whether or not the Riptide is worth the extra $150? The extra 5 pounds of > thrust is not relevant since the hull is far from hydrodynamic efficiency > and I would just us more battery power to go no faster. The thrusters must > have the same thrust rating, so I need to get two new. > > > > Tim > > > > *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: > personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *hank pronk via > Personal_Submersibles > *Sent:* Friday, July 12, 2019 5:57 AM > *To:* Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation > > > > Brian, thats' a good plan. The cheapest way to gain buoyancy is to remove > weight if possible. > > Hank > > > > On Thursday, July 11, 2019, 6:44:00 PM MDT, Brian Cox via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > > > > Hi all, > > I think I'm going to do another test with that foam. > This time I will encapsulate it with epoxy and fiberglass and drop it down. > > > > My sub is going on a serious diet. I'm cutting out a significant > section of the upper ferro-cement area and replacing it with > epoxy fiberglass which will be bonded to the ferro-cement. It will be a > bit different shape, but the whole area is underneath the fiberglass shell > so it won,t really look any different with the shell on. I always though > I could compensate for that weight by having flotation cylinders there but > I just didn't control the thickness of the ferro-cement and it probably > should have been fiberglass all along anyway. The bottom of the ferro > ballast hull will still be the the existing hull . It will be a lot of > weight that I'll be losing. Maybe 1,500 lbs, if the section I cut out is > any indication. > > > > Brian > > > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation > Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 23:17:21 -0700 > > Alan, > > Yes it's puzzling the mechanism at work allowing it to take > on water. It could be that the small bubbles of foam that make up the > matrix of the foam itself are simply not strong enough to handle the water > pressure. But it's interesting that it can take a rated pressure ( > parallel applied pressure) and not be crushed but then on the other hand > will absorb water. From the look of it you would never think that water > would penetrate it, the outside of the foam seems nonporous. Might be > instructive looking at it under a microscope. > > > > Brian > > > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation > Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 16:57:52 +1200 > > Brian, > > I am wondering how it absorbed water, seeing it's a marine product. > > Do you think there may have been a break down on a microscopic level > through > > the water being forced in under pressure. > > Anyway, good that you got a result. Imagine if it had absorbed water more > slowly > > so that it wasn't detectable in the short time that you tested it. > > Alan > > > On 9/07/2019, at 1:43 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Bad news, the test piece that I dropped down to 900' , it didn't crush , > but it absorbed water. So it lost a lot of its buoyancy. > > > > Brian > > > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation > Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 16:15:09 -0700 > > Alan, I've done one small test piece so far and it did give > off some heat. I'm planning on doing a larger piece that I'm going to drop > in the ocean, it will be interesting to see how that goes. I'm more > inclined to pour larger amounts for a couple of reasons, first I think you > get a better and more accurate mix of the A and B, and also where I'm > pouring into my cavities I don't want to inadvertently seal off areas that > I will not be able to get to to complete the pour. So I'd rather error on > over pouring a bit so I have foam pushing out the vent holes. > > > > Brian > > > > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation > Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 09:18:40 +1200 > > All, > > as we are talking about testing this for General Psubs use I'll elaborate > > on something I mentioned earlier. > > In the product specifications below it mentions that in the setting of > this product > > the temperature is critical, & that temperatures below 75 degrees F will > make a > > denser product. One would assume that temperatures above 75 F would make > > a less dense & hence weaker product. > > With 2 part chemical reactions there is generally a heat produced & this > is > > exponentially greater the thicker the pour. I used to use casting resins > for art > > & they would get very hot on thick casts. > > If this were the case then filling any large voids in one pour may cause > the > > centre of the material to be a lot weaker than the outside. > > To check this we could ask the rep about thick pours, do a thick pour & > cut it > > in cross section to see if it is less dense in the middle or stick a heat > probe in > > the middle of the pour to check for an increased temperature. > > - All expansion rates and times given are temperature critical. > Temperatures below 75 degrees F will lower the expansion rate therefore > requiring more foam. Ideal working temperature is 75 to 80 degrees F or > above. > - Accurate measuring of these products is extremely critical. > > Alan > > > > - All expansion rates and times given are temperature critical. > Temperatures below 75 degrees F will lower the expansion rate therefore > requiring more foam. Ideal working temperature is 75 to 80 degrees F or > above. > - Accurate measuring of these products is extremely critical. > > On 28/06/2019, at 11:04 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Not my forte, but given the hardness of this product when cured is there > really an expectation that it is going to deform in a visually measurable > way and spring back into shape from a depth test? Seems like it's more > likely to either structurally fail or not with obvious non-elastic results > such as cracks, cavities, etc, hence the weight test to see if it absorbs > water. I'm thinking the dunk test from the sailboat is a good first start. > > > > The cost of this product seems to be on par with trawler floats from a > pound to pound buoyancy perspective but it has the advantage of allowing > custom shaping. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jul 13 09:14:13 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 13:14:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Minn Kota C2 vs Riptide In-Reply-To: References: <001f01d53913$1664e310$432ea930$@telus.net> Message-ID: <973192266.1363895.1563023653896@mail.yahoo.com> Tim,I can tell you from experience that having the same motors on both sides does not mean the sub will defiantly travel in a strait line. ?I would not spent the money to match the exact thrust. ?I would replace the guts of the dead motor first, if it travels wierd then replace the other to match. ?Or buy Alec's motorsHank On Saturday, July 13, 2019, 6:21:20 AM MDT, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi Tim, I have two never-installed Minnkota 74lb lower ends, which I bought years ago but never installed because I changed the design to 101s. They can run on either 24 or 36 volts, and were the salt water version. Let me know if you could use these, I can surely sell them for less than you were quoted. Best,Alec On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 8:38 PM T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: It is time to re-motor the SportSub.? Currently it has 42lb thrust Minn Kota motors, one corroded and unusable, the other working well.? Locally I can pick up the Endura C2 40lb for $250, or the Riptide 45lb for $400. The Riptide is marketed for salt water use.? Has anyone any advice as to whether or not the Riptide is worth the extra $150? The extra 5 pounds of thrust is not relevant since the hull is far from hydrodynamic efficiency and I would just us more battery power to go no faster. The thrusters must have the same thrust rating, so I need to get two new. ? Tim ? From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 5:57 AM To: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation ? Brian, thats' a good plan.? The cheapest way to gain buoyancy is to remove weight if possible. Hank ? On Thursday, July 11, 2019, 6:44:00 PM MDT, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? ? Hi all, ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?I think I'm going to do another test with that foam.? This time I will encapsulate it with epoxy?and fiberglass and drop it down. ? ? My sub is going on a serious diet.? I'm cutting out a significant section of the upper ferro-cement area and replacing it with epoxy?fiberglass which will be bonded to the ferro-cement.? It will be a bit different shape, but the whole area is underneath the fiberglass shell so it won,t really look any different with the shell on.? ?I always though I could compensate for that weight by having flotation cylinders there but I just didn't control the thickness of the ferro-cement and it probably should have been fiberglass all along anyway.? The bottom of the ferro ballast hull will still be the the existing hull .? It will be a lot of weight that I'll be losing.? Maybe 1,500 lbs, if the section I cut out is any indication.?? ? Brian ? ???? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 23:17:21 -0700 Alan, ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Yes it's puzzling the mechanism?at work allowing it to take on water.? It could be that the small bubbles of foam that make up the matrix?of the foam itself are simply not strong enough to handle the water pressure.? But it's interesting that it can take a rated pressure ( parallel applied pressure) and not be crushed but then on the other hand will absorb water.? From the look of it you would never think that water would penetrate it, the outside of the foam seems nonporous.? Might be instructive looking at it under a microscope.?? ? Brian ? ? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 16:57:52 +1200 Brian, I am wondering how it absorbed water, seeing it's a marine product. Do you think there may have been a break down on a microscopic level through the water being forced in under pressure. Anyway, good that you got a result. Imagine if it had absorbed water more slowly so that it wasn't detectable in the short time that you tested it. Alan On 9/07/2019, at 1:43 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Bad news,? the test piece that I dropped down to 900'? , it didn't crush , but it absorbed water.? So it lost a lot of its buoyancy.? ? ? Brian ? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 16:15:09 -0700 Alan,? ? ? ? ? ? ? I've done one small test piece so far and it did give off some heat.? I'm planning on doing a larger piece that I'm going to drop in the ocean, it will be interesting to see how that goes.? I'm more inclined to pour larger amounts for a couple of reasons, first I think you get a better and more accurate mix of the A and B, and also where I'm pouring into my cavities I don't want to inadvertently seal off areas that I will not be able to get to to complete the pour.? So I'd rather error on over pouring a bit so I have foam pushing out the vent holes.?? ? Brian ? ? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 09:18:40 +1200 All, as we are talking about testing this for General Psubs use I'll elaborate on something I mentioned earlier. In the product specifications below it mentions that in the setting of this product the temperature is critical, & that temperatures below 75 degrees F will make a denser product. One would assume that temperatures above 75 F would make a less dense & hence weaker product.? With 2 part chemical reactions there is generally a heat produced & this is? exponentially greater the thicker the pour. I used to use casting resins for art & they would get very hot on thick casts. If this were the case then filling any large voids in one pour may cause the centre of the material to be a lot weaker than the outside. To check this we could ask the rep about thick pours, do a thick pour & cut it in cross section to see if it is less dense in the middle or stick a heat probe in the middle of the pour to check for an increased temperature. - All expansion rates and times given are temperature critical. Temperatures below 75 degrees F will lower the expansion rate therefore requiring more foam. Ideal working temperature is 75 to 80 degrees F or above. - Accurate measuring of these products is extremely critical. Alan ? - All expansion rates and times given are temperature critical. Temperatures below 75 degrees F will lower the expansion rate therefore requiring more foam. Ideal working temperature is 75 to 80 degrees F or above. - Accurate measuring of these products is extremely critical. On 28/06/2019, at 11:04 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Not my forte, but given the hardness of this product when cured is there really an expectation that it is going to deform in a visually measurable way and spring back into shape from a depth test?? Seems like it's more likely to either structurally fail or not with obvious non-elastic results such as cracks, cavities, etc, hence the weight test to see if it absorbs water.? I'm thinking the dunk test from the sailboat is a good first start. ? The cost of this product seems to be on par with trawler floats from a pound to pound buoyancy perspective but it has the advantage of allowing custom shaping.? I'm interested in the results. ? 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jul 13 13:12:21 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 10:12:21 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Minn Kota C2 vs Riptide In-Reply-To: References: <001f01d53913$1664e310$432ea930$@telus.net> Message-ID: <000001d5399e$22dfdc90$689f95b0$@telus.net> Thanks, Alec. This sounds really good but my sub is only 12 volts. I do plan on building a pure wet sub (once I get permission) and will need more powerful motors at that time. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2019 5:21 AM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Minn Kota C2 vs Riptide Hi Tim, I have two never-installed Minnkota 74lb lower ends, which I bought years ago but never installed because I changed the design to 101s. They can run on either 24 or 36 volts, and were the salt water version. Let me know if you could use these, I can surely sell them for less than you were quoted. Best, Alec On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 8:38 PM T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: It is time to re-motor the SportSub. Currently it has 42lb thrust Minn Kota motors, one corroded and unusable, the other working well. Locally I can pick up the Endura C2 40lb for $250, or the Riptide 45lb for $400. The Riptide is marketed for salt water use. Has anyone any advice as to whether or not the Riptide is worth the extra $150? The extra 5 pounds of thrust is not relevant since the hull is far from hydrodynamic efficiency and I would just us more battery power to go no faster. The thrusters must have the same thrust rating, so I need to get two new. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org ] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 5:57 AM To: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Brian, thats' a good plan. The cheapest way to gain buoyancy is to remove weight if possible. Hank On Thursday, July 11, 2019, 6:44:00 PM MDT, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Hi all, I think I'm going to do another test with that foam. This time I will encapsulate it with epoxy and fiberglass and drop it down. My sub is going on a serious diet. I'm cutting out a significant section of the upper ferro-cement area and replacing it with epoxy fiberglass which will be bonded to the ferro-cement. It will be a bit different shape, but the whole area is underneath the fiberglass shell so it won,t really look any different with the shell on. I always though I could compensate for that weight by having flotation cylinders there but I just didn't control the thickness of the ferro-cement and it probably should have been fiberglass all along anyway. The bottom of the ferro ballast hull will still be the the existing hull . It will be a lot of weight that I'll be losing. Maybe 1,500 lbs, if the section I cut out is any indication. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 23:17:21 -0700 Alan, Yes it's puzzling the mechanism at work allowing it to take on water. It could be that the small bubbles of foam that make up the matrix of the foam itself are simply not strong enough to handle the water pressure. But it's interesting that it can take a rated pressure ( parallel applied pressure) and not be crushed but then on the other hand will absorb water. From the look of it you would never think that water would penetrate it, the outside of the foam seems nonporous. Might be instructive looking at it under a microscope. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 16:57:52 +1200 Brian, I am wondering how it absorbed water, seeing it's a marine product. Do you think there may have been a break down on a microscopic level through the water being forced in under pressure. Anyway, good that you got a result. Imagine if it had absorbed water more slowly so that it wasn't detectable in the short time that you tested it. Alan On 9/07/2019, at 1:43 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Bad news, the test piece that I dropped down to 900' , it didn't crush , but it absorbed water. So it lost a lot of its buoyancy. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 16:15:09 -0700 Alan, I've done one small test piece so far and it did give off some heat. I'm planning on doing a larger piece that I'm going to drop in the ocean, it will be interesting to see how that goes. I'm more inclined to pour larger amounts for a couple of reasons, first I think you get a better and more accurate mix of the A and B, and also where I'm pouring into my cavities I don't want to inadvertently seal off areas that I will not be able to get to to complete the pour. So I'd rather error on over pouring a bit so I have foam pushing out the vent holes. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 09:18:40 +1200 All, as we are talking about testing this for General Psubs use I'll elaborate on something I mentioned earlier. In the product specifications below it mentions that in the setting of this product the temperature is critical, & that temperatures below 75 degrees F will make a denser product. One would assume that temperatures above 75 F would make a less dense & hence weaker product. With 2 part chemical reactions there is generally a heat produced & this is exponentially greater the thicker the pour. I used to use casting resins for art & they would get very hot on thick casts. If this were the case then filling any large voids in one pour may cause the centre of the material to be a lot weaker than the outside. To check this we could ask the rep about thick pours, do a thick pour & cut it in cross section to see if it is less dense in the middle or stick a heat probe in the middle of the pour to check for an increased temperature. * All expansion rates and times given are temperature critical. Temperatures below 75 degrees F will lower the expansion rate therefore requiring more foam. Ideal working temperature is 75 to 80 degrees F or above. * Accurate measuring of these products is extremely critical. Alan * All expansion rates and times given are temperature critical. Temperatures below 75 degrees F will lower the expansion rate therefore requiring more foam. Ideal working temperature is 75 to 80 degrees F or above. * Accurate measuring of these products is extremely critical. On 28/06/2019, at 11:04 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Not my forte, but given the hardness of this product when cured is there really an expectation that it is going to deform in a visually measurable way and spring back into shape from a depth test? Seems like it's more likely to either structurally fail or not with obvious non-elastic results such as cracks, cavities, etc, hence the weight test to see if it absorbs water. I'm thinking the dunk test from the sailboat is a good first start. The cost of this product seems to be on par with trawler floats from a pound to pound buoyancy perspective but it has the advantage of allowing custom shaping. I'm interested in the results. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jul 13 13:23:08 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 10:23:08 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Minn Kota C2 vs Riptide In-Reply-To: <973192266.1363895.1563023653896@mail.yahoo.com> References: <001f01d53913$1664e310$432ea930$@telus.net> <973192266.1363895.1563023653896@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000501d5399f$a48b3ef0$eda1bcd0$@telus.net> Good thoughts, Hank. The sub surged in a straight quite well with both 42's. However, the sub really should have a steerable rudder for this reason or if one thruster fails during operation. The dead motor Is hard-imbedded into the dive plane with no access to the forward end. The brushes and stator were corroded. It was easy enough to get replacement parts, but virtually impossible to install the brushes. I want get this boat back in the water with the least amount of changes at this time. The sub is ambient so it cannot be a glider, meaning the dive planes are mostly for looks. I will build simple dive planes for the new motors that are easily removed. And it would be nice to have a few spares. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2019 6:14 AM To: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Minn Kota C2 vs Riptide Tim, I can tell you from experience that having the same motors on both sides does not mean the sub will defiantly travel in a strait line. I would not spent the money to match the exact thrust. I would replace the guts of the dead motor first, if it travels wierd then replace the other to match. Or buy Alec's motors Hank On Saturday, July 13, 2019, 6:21:20 AM MDT, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Hi Tim, I have two never-installed Minnkota 74lb lower ends, which I bought years ago but never installed because I changed the design to 101s. They can run on either 24 or 36 volts, and were the salt water version. Let me know if you could use these, I can surely sell them for less than you were quoted. Best, Alec On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 8:38 PM T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: It is time to re-motor the SportSub. Currently it has 42lb thrust Minn Kota motors, one corroded and unusable, the other working well. Locally I can pick up the Endura C2 40lb for $250, or the Riptide 45lb for $400. The Riptide is marketed for salt water use. Has anyone any advice as to whether or not the Riptide is worth the extra $150? The extra 5 pounds of thrust is not relevant since the hull is far from hydrodynamic efficiency and I would just us more battery power to go no faster. The thrusters must have the same thrust rating, so I need to get two new. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org ] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 5:57 AM To: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Brian, thats' a good plan. The cheapest way to gain buoyancy is to remove weight if possible. Hank On Thursday, July 11, 2019, 6:44:00 PM MDT, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Hi all, I think I'm going to do another test with that foam. This time I will encapsulate it with epoxy and fiberglass and drop it down. My sub is going on a serious diet. I'm cutting out a significant section of the upper ferro-cement area and replacing it with epoxy fiberglass which will be bonded to the ferro-cement. It will be a bit different shape, but the whole area is underneath the fiberglass shell so it won,t really look any different with the shell on. I always though I could compensate for that weight by having flotation cylinders there but I just didn't control the thickness of the ferro-cement and it probably should have been fiberglass all along anyway. The bottom of the ferro ballast hull will still be the the existing hull . It will be a lot of weight that I'll be losing. Maybe 1,500 lbs, if the section I cut out is any indication. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 23:17:21 -0700 Alan, Yes it's puzzling the mechanism at work allowing it to take on water. It could be that the small bubbles of foam that make up the matrix of the foam itself are simply not strong enough to handle the water pressure. But it's interesting that it can take a rated pressure ( parallel applied pressure) and not be crushed but then on the other hand will absorb water. From the look of it you would never think that water would penetrate it, the outside of the foam seems nonporous. Might be instructive looking at it under a microscope. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 16:57:52 +1200 Brian, I am wondering how it absorbed water, seeing it's a marine product. Do you think there may have been a break down on a microscopic level through the water being forced in under pressure. Anyway, good that you got a result. Imagine if it had absorbed water more slowly so that it wasn't detectable in the short time that you tested it. Alan On 9/07/2019, at 1:43 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Bad news, the test piece that I dropped down to 900' , it didn't crush , but it absorbed water. So it lost a lot of its buoyancy. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 16:15:09 -0700 Alan, I've done one small test piece so far and it did give off some heat. I'm planning on doing a larger piece that I'm going to drop in the ocean, it will be interesting to see how that goes. I'm more inclined to pour larger amounts for a couple of reasons, first I think you get a better and more accurate mix of the A and B, and also where I'm pouring into my cavities I don't want to inadvertently seal off areas that I will not be able to get to to complete the pour. So I'd rather error on over pouring a bit so I have foam pushing out the vent holes. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 09:18:40 +1200 All, as we are talking about testing this for General Psubs use I'll elaborate on something I mentioned earlier. In the product specifications below it mentions that in the setting of this product the temperature is critical, & that temperatures below 75 degrees F will make a denser product. One would assume that temperatures above 75 F would make a less dense & hence weaker product. With 2 part chemical reactions there is generally a heat produced & this is exponentially greater the thicker the pour. I used to use casting resins for art & they would get very hot on thick casts. If this were the case then filling any large voids in one pour may cause the centre of the material to be a lot weaker than the outside. To check this we could ask the rep about thick pours, do a thick pour & cut it in cross section to see if it is less dense in the middle or stick a heat probe in the middle of the pour to check for an increased temperature. * All expansion rates and times given are temperature critical. Temperatures below 75 degrees F will lower the expansion rate therefore requiring more foam. Ideal working temperature is 75 to 80 degrees F or above. * Accurate measuring of these products is extremely critical. Alan * All expansion rates and times given are temperature critical. Temperatures below 75 degrees F will lower the expansion rate therefore requiring more foam. Ideal working temperature is 75 to 80 degrees F or above. * Accurate measuring of these products is extremely critical. On 28/06/2019, at 11:04 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Not my forte, but given the hardness of this product when cured is there really an expectation that it is going to deform in a visually measurable way and spring back into shape from a depth test? Seems like it's more likely to either structurally fail or not with obvious non-elastic results such as cracks, cavities, etc, hence the weight test to see if it absorbs water. I'm thinking the dunk test from the sailboat is a good first start. The cost of this product seems to be on par with trawler floats from a pound to pound buoyancy perspective but it has the advantage of allowing custom shaping. I'm interested in the results. Should we invest in a small amount of this product and put it to some more rigorous pressure testing? _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jul 13 14:24:19 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 18:24:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Minn Kota C2 vs Riptide In-Reply-To: <000501d5399f$a48b3ef0$eda1bcd0$@telus.net> References: <001f01d53913$1664e310$432ea930$@telus.net> <973192266.1363895.1563023653896@mail.yahoo.com> <000501d5399f$a48b3ef0$eda1bcd0$@telus.net> Message-ID: <472133560.1439408.1563042259168@mail.yahoo.com> Tim,Bring the parts to Mt and we will put it back together for you. ?Tailgate repair in the field, that's what makes a Psubber Hank On Saturday, July 13, 2019, 11:23:29 AM MDT, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: #yiv7921399679 #yiv7921399679 -- _filtered #yiv7921399679 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv7921399679 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv7921399679 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}#yiv7921399679 #yiv7921399679 p.yiv7921399679MsoNormal, #yiv7921399679 li.yiv7921399679MsoNormal, #yiv7921399679 div.yiv7921399679MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New serif;}#yiv7921399679 a:link, #yiv7921399679 span.yiv7921399679MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv7921399679 a:visited, #yiv7921399679 span.yiv7921399679MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv7921399679 p.yiv7921399679msonormal, #yiv7921399679 li.yiv7921399679msonormal, #yiv7921399679 div.yiv7921399679msonormal {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:New serif;}#yiv7921399679 span.yiv7921399679EmailStyle18 {font-family:sans-serif;color:#1F497D;}#yiv7921399679 .yiv7921399679MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv7921399679 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv7921399679 div.yiv7921399679WordSection1 {}#yiv7921399679 _filtered #yiv7921399679 {} _filtered #yiv7921399679 {font-family:Symbol;} _filtered #yiv7921399679 {font-family:Symbol;} _filtered #yiv7921399679 {font-family:Symbol;} _filtered #yiv7921399679 {font-family:Symbol;} _filtered #yiv7921399679 {font-family:Symbol;} _filtered #yiv7921399679 {font-family:Symbol;} _filtered #yiv7921399679 {font-family:Symbol;} _filtered #yiv7921399679 {font-family:Symbol;} _filtered #yiv7921399679 {font-family:Symbol;} _filtered #yiv7921399679 {} _filtered #yiv7921399679 {font-family:Symbol;} _filtered #yiv7921399679 {font-family:Symbol;} _filtered #yiv7921399679 {font-family:Symbol;} _filtered #yiv7921399679 {font-family:Symbol;} _filtered #yiv7921399679 {font-family:Symbol;} _filtered #yiv7921399679 {font-family:Symbol;} _filtered #yiv7921399679 {font-family:Symbol;} _filtered #yiv7921399679 {font-family:Symbol;} _filtered #yiv7921399679 {font-family:Symbol;}#yiv7921399679 ol {margin-bottom:0in;}#yiv7921399679 ul {margin-bottom:0in;}#yiv7921399679 Good thoughts, Hank. ? The sub surged in a straight quite well with both 42's. However, the sub really should have a steerable rudder for this reason or if one thruster fails during operation. ? The dead motor Is hard-imbedded into the dive plane with no access to the forward end.? The brushes and stator were corroded.? It was easy enough to get replacement parts, but virtually impossible to install the brushes.? I want get this boat back in the water with the least amount of changes at this time. The sub is ambient so it cannot be a glider, meaning the dive planes are mostly for looks. I will build simple dive planes for the new motors that are easily removed. And it would be nice to have a few spares. ? Tim ? From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2019 6:14 AM To: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Minn Kota C2 vs Riptide ? Tim, I can tell you from experience that having the same motors on both sides does not mean the sub will defiantly travel in a strait line. ?I would not spent the money to match the exact thrust. ?I would replace the guts of the dead motor first, if it travels wierd then replace the other to match. ?Or buy Alec's motors Hank ? On Saturday, July 13, 2019, 6:21:20 AM MDT, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? ? Hi Tim, ? I have two never-installed Minnkota 74lb lower ends, which I bought years ago but never installed because I changed the design to 101s. They can run on either 24 or 36 volts, and were the salt water version. Let me know if you could use these, I can surely sell them for less than you were quoted. ? Best, Alec ? On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 8:38 PM T Novak via Personal_Submersibles wrote: It is time to re-motor the SportSub.? Currently it has 42lb thrust Minn Kota motors, one corroded and unusable, the other working well.? Locally I can pick up the Endura C2 40lb for $250, or the Riptide 45lb for $400. The Riptide is marketed for salt water use.? Has anyone any advice as to whether or not the Riptide is worth the extra $150? The extra 5 pounds of thrust is not relevant since the hull is far from hydrodynamic efficiency and I would just us more battery power to go no faster. The thrusters must have the same thrust rating, so I need to get two new. ? Tim ? From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 5:57 AM To: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation ? Brian, thats' a good plan.? The cheapest way to gain buoyancy is to remove weight if possible. Hank ? On Thursday, July 11, 2019, 6:44:00 PM MDT, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: ? ? Hi all, ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?I think I'm going to do another test with that foam.? This time I will encapsulate it with epoxy?and fiberglass and drop it down. ? ? My sub is going on a serious diet.? I'm cutting out a significant section of the upper ferro-cement area and replacing it with epoxy?fiberglass which will be bonded to the ferro-cement.? It will be a bit different shape, but the whole area is underneath the fiberglass shell so it won,t really look any different with the shell on.? ?I always though I could compensate for that weight by having flotation cylinders there but I just didn't control the thickness of the ferro-cement and it probably should have been fiberglass all along anyway.? The bottom of the ferro ballast hull will still be the the existing hull .? It will be a lot of weight that I'll be losing.? Maybe 1,500 lbs, if the section I cut out is any indication.?? ? Brian ? ???? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 23:17:21 -0700 Alan, ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Yes it's puzzling the mechanism?at work allowing it to take on water.? It could be that the small bubbles of foam that make up the matrix?of the foam itself are simply not strong enough to handle the water pressure.? But it's interesting that it can take a rated pressure ( parallel applied pressure) and not be crushed but then on the other hand will absorb water.? From the look of it you would never think that water would penetrate it, the outside of the foam seems nonporous.? Might be instructive looking at it under a microscope.?? ? Brian ? ? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 16:57:52 +1200 Brian, I am wondering how it absorbed water, seeing it's a marine product. Do you think there may have been a break down on a microscopic level through the water being forced in under pressure. Anyway, good that you got a result. Imagine if it had absorbed water more slowly so that it wasn't detectable in the short time that you tested it. Alan On 9/07/2019, at 1:43 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Bad news,? the test piece that I dropped down to 900'? , it didn't crush , but it absorbed water.? So it lost a lot of its buoyancy.? ? ? Brian ? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 16:15:09 -0700 Alan,? ? ? ? ? ? ? I've done one small test piece so far and it did give off some heat.? I'm planning on doing a larger piece that I'm going to drop in the ocean, it will be interesting to see how that goes.? I'm more inclined to pour larger amounts for a couple of reasons, first I think you get a better and more accurate mix of the A and B, and also where I'm pouring into my cavities I don't want to inadvertently seal off areas that I will not be able to get to to complete the pour.? So I'd rather error on over pouring a bit so I have foam pushing out the vent holes.?? ? Brian ? ? --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 09:18:40 +1200 All, as we are talking about testing this for General Psubs use I'll elaborate on something I mentioned earlier. In the product specifications below it mentions that in the setting of this product the temperature is critical, & that temperatures below 75 degrees F will make a denser product. One would assume that temperatures above 75 F would make a less dense & hence weaker product.? With 2 part chemical reactions there is generally a heat produced & this is? exponentially greater the thicker the pour. I used to use casting resins for art & they would get very hot on thick casts. If this were the case then filling any large voids in one pour may cause the centre of the material to be a lot weaker than the outside. To check this we could ask the rep about thick pours, do a thick pour & cut it in cross section to see if it is less dense in the middle or stick a heat probe in the middle of the pour to check for an increased temperature. - All expansion rates and times given are temperature critical. Temperatures below 75 degrees F will lower the expansion rate therefore requiring more foam. Ideal working temperature is 75 to 80 degrees F or above. - Accurate measuring of these products is extremely critical. Alan ? - All expansion rates and times given are temperature critical. Temperatures below 75 degrees F will lower the expansion rate therefore requiring more foam. Ideal working temperature is 75 to 80 degrees F or above. - Accurate measuring of these products is extremely critical. On 28/06/2019, at 11:04 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Not my forte, but given the hardness of this product when cured is there really an expectation that it is going to deform in a visually measurable way and spring back into shape from a depth test?? Seems like it's more likely to either structurally fail or not with obvious non-elastic results such as cracks, cavities, etc, hence the weight test to see if it absorbs water.? I'm thinking the dunk test from the sailboat is a good first start. ? The cost of this product seems to be on par with trawler floats from a pound to pound buoyancy perspective but it has the advantage of allowing custom shaping.? I'm interested in the results. ? 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Tailgate repair in the field, that's what makes a Psubber Hank On Saturday, July 13, 2019, 11:23:29 AM MDT, T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Good thoughts, Hank. The sub surged in a straight quite well with both 42's. However, the sub really should have a steerable rudder for this reason or if one thruster fails during operation. The dead motor Is hard-imbedded into the dive plane with no access to the forward end. The brushes and stator were corroded. It was easy enough to get replacement parts, but virtually impossible to install the brushes. I want get this boat back in the water with the least amount of changes at this time. The sub is ambient so it cannot be a glider, meaning the dive planes are mostly for looks. I will build simple dive planes for the new motors that are easily removed. And it would be nice to have a few spares. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2019 6:14 AM To: Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Minn Kota C2 vs Riptide Tim, I can tell you from experience that having the same motors on both sides does not mean the sub will defiantly travel in a strait line. I would not spent the money to match the exact thrust. I would replace the guts of the dead motor first, if it travels wierd then replace the other to match. Or buy Alec's motors Hank On Saturday, July 13, 2019, 6:21:20 AM MDT, Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Hi Tim, I have two never-installed Minnkota 74lb lower ends, which I bought years ago but never installed because I changed the design to 101s. They can run on either 24 or 36 volts, and were the salt water version. Let me know if you could use these, I can surely sell them for less than you were quoted. Best, Alec On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 8:38 PM T Novak via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: It is time to re-motor the SportSub. Currently it has 42lb thrust Minn Kota motors, one corroded and unusable, the other working well. Locally I can pick up the Endura C2 40lb for $250, or the Riptide 45lb for $400. The Riptide is marketed for salt water use. Has anyone any advice as to whether or not the Riptide is worth the extra $150? The extra 5 pounds of thrust is not relevant since the hull is far from hydrodynamic efficiency and I would just us more battery power to go no faster. The thrusters must have the same thrust rating, so I need to get two new. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org ] On Behalf Of hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 5:57 AM To: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Brian, thats' a good plan. The cheapest way to gain buoyancy is to remove weight if possible. Hank On Thursday, July 11, 2019, 6:44:00 PM MDT, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Hi all, I think I'm going to do another test with that foam. This time I will encapsulate it with epoxy and fiberglass and drop it down. My sub is going on a serious diet. I'm cutting out a significant section of the upper ferro-cement area and replacing it with epoxy fiberglass which will be bonded to the ferro-cement. It will be a bit different shape, but the whole area is underneath the fiberglass shell so it won,t really look any different with the shell on. I always though I could compensate for that weight by having flotation cylinders there but I just didn't control the thickness of the ferro-cement and it probably should have been fiberglass all along anyway. The bottom of the ferro ballast hull will still be the the existing hull . It will be a lot of weight that I'll be losing. Maybe 1,500 lbs, if the section I cut out is any indication. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 23:17:21 -0700 Alan, Yes it's puzzling the mechanism at work allowing it to take on water. It could be that the small bubbles of foam that make up the matrix of the foam itself are simply not strong enough to handle the water pressure. But it's interesting that it can take a rated pressure ( parallel applied pressure) and not be crushed but then on the other hand will absorb water. From the look of it you would never think that water would penetrate it, the outside of the foam seems nonporous. Might be instructive looking at it under a microscope. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 16:57:52 +1200 Brian, I am wondering how it absorbed water, seeing it's a marine product. Do you think there may have been a break down on a microscopic level through the water being forced in under pressure. Anyway, good that you got a result. Imagine if it had absorbed water more slowly so that it wasn't detectable in the short time that you tested it. Alan On 9/07/2019, at 1:43 PM, Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Bad news, the test piece that I dropped down to 900' , it didn't crush , but it absorbed water. So it lost a lot of its buoyancy. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles > To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 16:15:09 -0700 Alan, I've done one small test piece so far and it did give off some heat. I'm planning on doing a larger piece that I'm going to drop in the ocean, it will be interesting to see how that goes. I'm more inclined to pour larger amounts for a couple of reasons, first I think you get a better and more accurate mix of the A and B, and also where I'm pouring into my cavities I don't want to inadvertently seal off areas that I will not be able to get to to complete the pour. So I'd rather error on over pouring a bit so I have foam pushing out the vent holes. Brian --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Foam preperation Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 09:18:40 +1200 All, as we are talking about testing this for General Psubs use I'll elaborate on something I mentioned earlier. In the product specifications below it mentions that in the setting of this product the temperature is critical, & that temperatures below 75 degrees F will make a denser product. One would assume that temperatures above 75 F would make a less dense & hence weaker product. With 2 part chemical reactions there is generally a heat produced & this is exponentially greater the thicker the pour. I used to use casting resins for art & they would get very hot on thick casts. If this were the case then filling any large voids in one pour may cause the centre of the material to be a lot weaker than the outside. To check this we could ask the rep about thick pours, do a thick pour & cut it in cross section to see if it is less dense in the middle or stick a heat probe in the middle of the pour to check for an increased temperature. * All expansion rates and times given are temperature critical. Temperatures below 75 degrees F will lower the expansion rate therefore requiring more foam. Ideal working temperature is 75 to 80 degrees F or above. * Accurate measuring of these products is extremely critical. Alan * All expansion rates and times given are temperature critical. Temperatures below 75 degrees F will lower the expansion rate therefore requiring more foam. Ideal working temperature is 75 to 80 degrees F or above. * Accurate measuring of these products is extremely critical. On 28/06/2019, at 11:04 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Not my forte, but given the hardness of this product when cured is there really an expectation that it is going to deform in a visually measurable way and spring back into shape from a depth test? Seems like it's more likely to either structurally fail or not with obvious non-elastic results such as cracks, cavities, etc, hence the weight test to see if it absorbs water. I'm thinking the dunk test from the sailboat is a good first start. The cost of this product seems to be on par with trawler floats from a pound to pound buoyancy perspective but it has the advantage of allowing custom shaping. I'm interested in the results. 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I formed my ballast tanks against my hull, but surprise surprise it wasn't a perfect fit due to shrinkage of the fibreglass etc & had to spend a lot of time fairing up. Alan > On 14/07/2019, at 7:11 PM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi guys, worked the last couple of days fitting the foam work on the pressure hull for the exoskeleton. When it's 91 degrees outside what better project to work on than your submarine. I have a few issues with the foam clearing the ribs but nothing a hot knife cant take care of. After the final fit up, then final fairing and sanding before covering with tin foil. > David > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jul 14 07:16:37 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 11:16:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor exoskeleton progress In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1159862123.1616333.1563102997123@mail.yahoo.com> David,Looks greatHank On Sunday, July 14, 2019, 1:12:07 AM MDT, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi guys, worked the last couple of days fitting the foam work on the pressure hull for the exoskeleton.? When it's 91 degrees outside what better project to work on than your submarine. 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There is a fine line to having it too runny or to thick so a lot more sanding than I would of hoped. Oh well, if building a sub was easy, everyone would be doing it. Rick On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 6:27 AM T Novak via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Looking great, David. > > Your ongoing progress updates really help me learn how to go about this > type of project. > > Tim > > > > *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: > personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *David Colombo via > Personal_Submersibles > *Sent:* Sunday, July 14, 2019 12:11 AM > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor exoskeleton progress > > > > Hi guys, worked the last couple of days fitting the foam work on the > pressure hull for the exoskeleton. When it's 91 degrees outside what > better project to work on than your submarine. I have a few issues with the > foam clearing the ribs but nothing a hot knife cant take care of. After > the final fit up, then final fairing and sanding before covering with tin > foil. > > David > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jul 14 17:27:15 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 17:27:15 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma for sale In-Reply-To: <1122598092.1368704.1563025107528@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1122598092.1368704.1563025107528.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1122598092.1368704.1563025107528@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: For those of us here in the United States, that converts to $57,534.75 as of 7/14/2019. Not a small chunk of change, but well worth such a fine boat! ~ Doug S. On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 9:39 AM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi All, > I want to sell Gamma to help fund my next project. E3000 is almost done > and will be my operating sub until my next project is complete. I dropped > the price to 75,000 Canadian and that includes the telescopic trailer. > The sub is dive ready and available August 10th. > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jul 14 17:31:48 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 17:31:48 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 In-Reply-To: References: <775317860.4080538.1562586847724.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <775317860.4080538.1562586847724@mail.yahoo.com> <421671879.2751400.1562592193493@mail.yahoo.com> <235852344.2919564.1562621442150@mail.yahoo.com> <443533152.3004718.1562634819439@mail.yahoo.com> <8E56D783-9ED0-49B4-B6D1-188155079CA7@yahoo.com> <007001d5361d$e8ffd710$baff8530$@telus.net> Message-ID: I'm always fearful of the group here thinking that I've dropped out of PSUBS. Not so, but just like the rest of you folks, I lead a busy life packed with more than I can handle. Snoopy is currently torn down and in the middle of an overhaul. The process is taking longer than originally planned (due to some mods that are happening prior to re-assembly) and frankly, I don't think she'll be ready to head down to fL by next spring? but that's still what I'm going to shoot for. Meantime though, I'm happy to help host again in Islamorada. As Jon has mentioned, perhaps March of next year would be a good time for a convention. And I'm happy to chip in financially if we want to try the barge experiment. The 25 foot whaler is also available as a support / tow vessel. ~ Doug On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 1:30 PM Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Thanks Tim > > On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 8:18 PM T Novak via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> It's in the Upper Keys, south west of Key Largo, north east of Marathon. >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: >> personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Patton via >> Personal_Submersibles >> *Sent:* Monday, July 8, 2019 9:51 PM >> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 >> >> >> >> What part of the Key's is Islamorada? >> >> Rick >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 6:47 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Will look forward to the reports from that trip! >> >> Alan >> >> >> On 9/07/2019, at 1:13 PM, via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Our ship is like 70 feet longer than Alucia, so maybe that will dampen >> some of that of such fun southern ocean stuff. And everyone runs for cover >> at one time or another. Maybe we'll sneak in for a beer while if we run >> into WOW conditions. Waiting On Weather. >> >> Vance >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 6:10 pm >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 >> >> So sounds like you will be crossing 1000km of the worst waters in the >> World. >> >> Don't forget your sea sick pills! >> >> I mentioned Auckland because that was the route the Tritan team took on >> >> Alucia. >> >> Alan >> >> >> On 9/07/2019, at 9:30 AM, via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Coming out of Peru, and headed for the science station, as I understand >> it. There is a schedule somewhere in my files. Damned if I know where. >> Don't remember a stop an NZ stop right off hand, sorry to say. >> >> Vance >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 5:03 pm >> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 >> >> Vance, >> >> any details on the Antarctica trip; ship, route, crew, mission etc. >> >> Wondering if you are coming via Auckland N.Z. >> >> That's a big undertaking. >> >> Alan >> >> >> On 9/07/2019, at 1:23 AM, via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> If I'm not at sea, then I could do some sort of presentation on Pisces >> VI. We're headed out for harbor trials and certification this fall, with >> projects already on the books for next year. Including the Antarctica trip. >> But there is (or should be) time in between for me to get home and catch up >> on the laundry. And who doesn't love Islamorada? >> >> Vance >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 7:54 am >> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 >> >> It's been a while since we held a PSUBS convention. After talking to a >> couple of people who have expressed interest in such event, I'm suggesting >> Islamorada (Florida Keys) in late March 2020 as a target location/date. >> Exact date to be determined, but could be any time between January and >> May. The only major holiday I am aware of is Easter which falls on April >> 12, 2020. Our rationale is that we have good resources and services in >> this location, both air and water are warm, underwater visibility is >> typically good, and it's a vacation destination if you want to bring family >> or extend your stay to visit Key West, Everglades, Miami Beach, or other >> activities. >> >> >> >> This event would include diving and presentations such as updates on >> submarine fabrication and reports on activities such as the Lake Tahoe and >> Flathead Lake expeditions. I've located at least one barge that can >> provide surface transport and support for 2-3 submarines and bring them to >> a 200-300 foot diving location. >> >> >> >> We can consider other location alternatives, however the requirements for >> such suggestions are resources, services, and support including hotels, >> restaurants, dive shops, water ingress, and your ability to act as >> coordinator for that alternative location. >> >> >> >> Discussion? >> >> >> >> Jon >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jul 14 17:32:49 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 17:32:49 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor exoskeleton progress In-Reply-To: References: <001301d53a60$e3b74d50$ab25e7f0$@telus.net> Message-ID: Looking great Dave! ~ Doug S. On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 3:41 PM Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hey David > > thanks for posting the pictures. Can't wait to see the end result, it's > really gonna look space age. My MBT Styrofoam mold is about done after > working on my third bag of plaster of pairs!?. My neat looking plywood > articulating template didn't give me the results that I was hoping for > unfortunately. There is a fine line to having it too runny or to thick so a > lot more sanding than I would of hoped. Oh well, if building a sub was > easy, everyone would be doing it. > Rick > > On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 6:27 AM T Novak via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Looking great, David. >> >> Your ongoing progress updates really help me learn how to go about this >> type of project. >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: >> personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *David Colombo >> via Personal_Submersibles >> *Sent:* Sunday, July 14, 2019 12:11 AM >> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor exoskeleton progress >> >> >> >> Hi guys, worked the last couple of days fitting the foam work on the >> pressure hull for the exoskeleton. When it's 91 degrees outside what >> better project to work on than your submarine. I have a few issues with the >> foam clearing the ribs but nothing a hot knife cant take care of. After >> the final fit up, then final fairing and sanding before covering with tin >> foil. >> >> David >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jul 14 18:57:53 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 15:57:53 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor exoskeleton progress In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alan, that's one of the joys of working with fiberglass. Im sure you'll here me cussing a bit as I work on the complex shape. David On Sun, Jul 14, 2019, 1:26 AM Alan via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Thanks David, > Really enjoying seeing this start to take shape. Especially as I am not > seeing a lot materialise here myself. > I formed my ballast tanks against my hull, but surprise surprise it wasn't > a > perfect fit due to shrinkage of the fibreglass etc & had to spend a lot of > time fairing up. > Alan > > > On 14/07/2019, at 7:11 PM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > > Hi guys, worked the last couple of days fitting the foam work on the > pressure hull for the exoskeleton. When it's 91 degrees outside what > better project to work on than your submarine. I have a few issues with the > foam clearing the ribs but nothing a hot knife cant take care of. After > the final fit up, then final fairing and sanding before covering with tin > foil. > > David > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jul 14 19:04:52 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 16:04:52 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor exoskeleton progress In-Reply-To: References: <001301d53a60$e3b74d50$ab25e7f0$@telus.net> Message-ID: Hey Rick, I use drywall mud. I find its always consistent, premixed and dries fairly quickly. Also with a metal edged tool, you can get a smooth finish. That's what I will be doing as I fair out the surfaces, before I lay up the surface with tin foil. I look forward to seeing your finished tank. David On Sun, Jul 14, 2019, 12:41 PM Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hey David > > thanks for posting the pictures. Can't wait to see the end result, it's > really gonna look space age. My MBT Styrofoam mold is about done after > working on my third bag of plaster of pairs!?. My neat looking plywood > articulating template didn't give me the results that I was hoping for > unfortunately. There is a fine line to having it too runny or to thick so a > lot more sanding than I would of hoped. Oh well, if building a sub was > easy, everyone would be doing it. > Rick > > On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 6:27 AM T Novak via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Looking great, David. >> >> Your ongoing progress updates really help me learn how to go about this >> type of project. >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: >> personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *David Colombo >> via Personal_Submersibles >> *Sent:* Sunday, July 14, 2019 12:11 AM >> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> *Subject:* [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor exoskeleton progress >> >> >> >> Hi guys, worked the last couple of days fitting the foam work on the >> pressure hull for the exoskeleton. When it's 91 degrees outside what >> better project to work on than your submarine. I have a few issues with the >> foam clearing the ribs but nothing a hot knife cant take care of. After >> the final fit up, then final fairing and sanding before covering with tin >> foil. >> >> David >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jul 14 19:44:49 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 16:44:49 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor exoskeleton progress Message-ID: <20190714164449.43D7BD1F@m0117457.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jul 14 20:28:56 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 00:28:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma for sale In-Reply-To: References: <1122598092.1368704.1563025107528.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1122598092.1368704.1563025107528@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <71311591.1785064.1563150536116@mail.yahoo.com> Doug,thank you, I have to agree it is a big chunk of change. ?It seems it is ideal for a few people to go in together that live close to each other.Hank On Sunday, July 14, 2019, 3:27:41 PM MDT, Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles wrote: For those of us here in the United States, that converts to $57,534.75 as of 7/14/2019. Not a small chunk of change, but well worth such a fine boat! ~ Doug S.? On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 9:39 AM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi All,I want to sell Gamma to help fund my next project.? E3000 is almost done and will be my operating sub until my next project is complete.? I dropped the price to ?75,000 Canadian and that includes the telescopic trailer.? The sub is dive ready and available August 10th.Hank_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jul 14 20:51:52 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 17:51:52 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor exoskeleton progress In-Reply-To: <20190714164449.43D7BD1F@m0117457.ppops.net> References: <20190714164449.43D7BD1F@m0117457.ppops.net> Message-ID: Funny you say that Brian, i had originally planned on a pair of magnatometers under the wing, till I realized that they looked like torpedos. I can just hear it now, Sir can you explain the torpedoes under your wing. Lol David On Sun, Jul 14, 2019, 4:45 PM Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Looks great David ! Just need the photon torpedoes now ! > > Brian > > > --- personal_submersibles at psubs.org wrote: > > From: David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SeaQuestor exoskeleton progress > Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 00:11:27 -0700 > > Hi guys, worked the last couple of days fitting the foam work on the > pressure hull for the exoskeleton. When it's 91 degrees outside what > better project to work on than your submarine. I have a few issues with the > foam clearing the ribs but nothing a hot knife cant take care of. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jul 14 21:16:54 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 18:16:54 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 In-Reply-To: References: <775317860.4080538.1562586847724.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <775317860.4080538.1562586847724@mail.yahoo.com> <421671879.2751400.1562592193493@mail.yahoo.com> <235852344.2919564.1562621442150@mail.yahoo.com> <443533152.3004718.1562634819439@mail.yahoo.com> <8E56D783-9ED0-49B4-B6D1-188155079CA7@yahoo.com> <007001d5361d$e8ffd710$baff8530$@telus.net> Message-ID: Hey Douglas, building a one off vessel, I understand there is sometimes a frustration with how long it can take, or your going nowhere fast. A year ago i had visions of completing the SeaQuestor for this year's event. So i set the goal, More experienced members, ie: Cliff, and Hank set me to reality. So now i set more achievable goals, and try to keep to keep the overall project moving forward in small steps. I figure if i do one thing each day, it feels more like I'm moving forward. That being said, I plan to be at the next event in March. I look forward to seeing you then, and Wyvonne plans to be ready to dive there again. David On Sun, Jul 14, 2019, 2:32 PM Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > I'm always fearful of the group here thinking that I've dropped out of > PSUBS. Not so, but just like the rest of you folks, I lead a busy life > packed with more than I can handle. Snoopy is currently torn down and in > the middle of an overhaul. The process is taking longer than originally > planned (due to some mods that are happening prior to re-assembly) and > frankly, I don't think she'll be ready to head down to fL by next spring? > but that's still what I'm going to shoot for. > > Meantime though, I'm happy to help host again in Islamorada. As Jon has > mentioned, perhaps March of next year would be a good time for a > convention. And I'm happy to chip in financially if we want to try the > barge experiment. The 25 foot whaler is also available as a support / tow > vessel. ~ Doug > > On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 1:30 PM Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Thanks Tim >> >> On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 8:18 PM T Novak via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> It's in the Upper Keys, south west of Key Largo, north east of Marathon. >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: >>> personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Patton via >>> Personal_Submersibles >>> *Sent:* Monday, July 8, 2019 9:51 PM >>> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 >>> >>> >>> >>> What part of the Key's is Islamorada? >>> >>> Rick >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 6:47 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>> Will look forward to the reports from that trip! >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> >>> On 9/07/2019, at 1:13 PM, via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>> Our ship is like 70 feet longer than Alucia, so maybe that will dampen >>> some of that of such fun southern ocean stuff. And everyone runs for cover >>> at one time or another. Maybe we'll sneak in for a beer while if we run >>> into WOW conditions. Waiting On Weather. >>> >>> Vance >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles >>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 6:10 pm >>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 >>> >>> So sounds like you will be crossing 1000km of the worst waters in the >>> World. >>> >>> Don't forget your sea sick pills! >>> >>> I mentioned Auckland because that was the route the Tritan team took on >>> >>> Alucia. >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> >>> On 9/07/2019, at 9:30 AM, via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>> Coming out of Peru, and headed for the science station, as I understand >>> it. There is a schedule somewhere in my files. Damned if I know where. >>> Don't remember a stop an NZ stop right off hand, sorry to say. >>> >>> Vance >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles >>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 5:03 pm >>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 >>> >>> Vance, >>> >>> any details on the Antarctica trip; ship, route, crew, mission etc. >>> >>> Wondering if you are coming via Auckland N.Z. >>> >>> That's a big undertaking. >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> >>> On 9/07/2019, at 1:23 AM, via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>> If I'm not at sea, then I could do some sort of presentation on Pisces >>> VI. We're headed out for harbor trials and certification this fall, with >>> projects already on the books for next year. Including the Antarctica trip. >>> But there is (or should be) time in between for me to get home and catch up >>> on the laundry. And who doesn't love Islamorada? >>> >>> Vance >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>> Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 7:54 am >>> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 >>> >>> It's been a while since we held a PSUBS convention. After talking to a >>> couple of people who have expressed interest in such event, I'm suggesting >>> Islamorada (Florida Keys) in late March 2020 as a target location/date. >>> Exact date to be determined, but could be any time between January and >>> May. The only major holiday I am aware of is Easter which falls on April >>> 12, 2020. Our rationale is that we have good resources and services in >>> this location, both air and water are warm, underwater visibility is >>> typically good, and it's a vacation destination if you want to bring family >>> or extend your stay to visit Key West, Everglades, Miami Beach, or other >>> activities. >>> >>> >>> >>> This event would include diving and presentations such as updates on >>> submarine fabrication and reports on activities such as the Lake Tahoe and >>> Flathead Lake expeditions. I've located at least one barge that can >>> provide surface transport and support for 2-3 submarines and bring them to >>> a 200-300 foot diving location. >>> >>> >>> >>> We can consider other location alternatives, however the requirements >>> for such suggestions are resources, services, and support including hotels, >>> restaurants, dive shops, water ingress, and your ability to act as >>> coordinator for that alternative location. >>> >>> >>> >>> Discussion? >>> >>> >>> >>> Jon >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jul 15 17:02:03 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 09:02:03 +1200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] magnetic base In-Reply-To: <835921897.2268636.1563222344767@mail.yahoo.com> References: <835921897.2268636.1563222344767.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <835921897.2268636.1563222344767@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7114C0D3-C6A7-4D27-AA92-7A3437E7DCE5@yahoo.com> Hank, If you could mount them in a slot so that the vertical thrust pushes against the edges of the slot, that would require less power from the magnets. ( you were probably planning that anyway). Magnets are corrosive so you would have to either coat them or mount them Inside the hull. They should magnetise through the hull if strong enough. If the magnets were mounted inside the hull you may be able to knock them sideways out of the way to help release the thruster. I would have some way of pinning the thrusters during transport, & take the magnets off ( some how ) during storage. One thought is that a powerful electro magnet may help with the removal of the magnets. Alan > On 16/07/2019, at 8:25 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hi All, I want to make magnetic bases for my vertical thrusters on E3000. The thrusters are mounted to the hull section that jettisons witch is bad. I figure the best way to jettison the motors in my case is to mount them with magnets that will break away. Anyone try this? > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jul 15 17:10:15 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 21:10:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] magnetic base In-Reply-To: <7114C0D3-C6A7-4D27-AA92-7A3437E7DCE5@yahoo.com> References: <835921897.2268636.1563222344767.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <835921897.2268636.1563222344767@mail.yahoo.com> <7114C0D3-C6A7-4D27-AA92-7A3437E7DCE5@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1647839652.2311368.1563225015353@mail.yahoo.com> Alan,?Yes I will make a pocket to take the vertical force. ?I think since the magnets are so cheap, I will just replace them when they corrode. ?Maybe spray them with WD-40. ? I did that with my hatch spring and it is amazing how well it worked.Hank On Monday, July 15, 2019, 3:02:24 PM MDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank,If you could mount them in a slot so that the vertical thrust pushes against theedges of the slot, that would require less power from the magnets. ( you wereprobably planning that anyway).?Magnets are corrosive so you would have to either coat them or mount themInside the hull. They should magnetise through the hull if strong enough.If the magnets were mounted inside the hull you may be able to knock themsideways out of the way to help release the thruster.I would have some way of pinning the thrusters during transport, & take themagnets off ( some how ) during storage.One thought is that a powerful electro magnet may help with the removal ofthe magnets.Alan On 16/07/2019, at 8:25 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi All, ?I want to make magnetic bases for my vertical thrusters on E3000. ?The thrusters are mounted to the hull section that jettisons witch is bad. ?I figure the best way to jettison the motors in my case is to mount them with magnets that will break away. ?Anyone try this?Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jul 15 17:16:34 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 21:16:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] magnetic base In-Reply-To: <1647839652.2311368.1563225015353@mail.yahoo.com> References: <835921897.2268636.1563222344767.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <835921897.2268636.1563222344767@mail.yahoo.com> <7114C0D3-C6A7-4D27-AA92-7A3437E7DCE5@yahoo.com> <1647839652.2311368.1563225015353@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1981514115.2332902.1563225394298@mail.yahoo.com> Alan,Good idea to make a transport pin, or at least a safety line.Hank On Monday, July 15, 2019, 3:10:34 PM MDT, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan,?Yes I will make a pocket to take the vertical force. ?I think since the magnets are so cheap, I will just replace them when they corrode. ?Maybe spray them with WD-40. ? I did that with my hatch spring and it is amazing how well it worked.Hank On Monday, July 15, 2019, 3:02:24 PM MDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank,If you could mount them in a slot so that the vertical thrust pushes against theedges of the slot, that would require less power from the magnets. ( you wereprobably planning that anyway).?Magnets are corrosive so you would have to either coat them or mount themInside the hull. They should magnetise through the hull if strong enough.If the magnets were mounted inside the hull you may be able to knock themsideways out of the way to help release the thruster.I would have some way of pinning the thrusters during transport, & take themagnets off ( some how ) during storage.One thought is that a powerful electro magnet may help with the removal ofthe magnets.Alan On 16/07/2019, at 8:25 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi All, ?I want to make magnetic bases for my vertical thrusters on E3000. ?The thrusters are mounted to the hull section that jettisons witch is bad. ?I figure the best way to jettison the motors in my case is to mount them with magnets that will break away. ?Anyone try this?Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jul 15 18:37:12 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 10:37:12 +1200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] magnetic base In-Reply-To: <1647839652.2311368.1563225015353@mail.yahoo.com> References: <835921897.2268636.1563222344767.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <835921897.2268636.1563222344767@mail.yahoo.com> <7114C0D3-C6A7-4D27-AA92-7A3437E7DCE5@yahoo.com> <1647839652.2311368.1563225015353@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <77E077ED-FD21-4A35-8DAC-EE6CA16F6118@yahoo.com> Hank, the magnets in my open underwater motor from Blue Robotics are coated with a marine epoxy & are used in seawater. There are large free magnets in old microwaves. I have some tiny 1/4" neodymium magnets & they magnetise through an inch of wood. I would experiment with putting the magnets inside the hull, & having a metal base on the thrusters; that way you could assist in the breakaway of the thruster by removing the magnets, rather than just rely on pulling power. Additionally you wouldn't need to paint them & could experiment more readily with the power by adding & subtracting. Another thought is having magnetic bases that are used for mounting dial gauges; you could turn their switch to remove them. Good idea re magnets Hank, hadn't considered that. Alan > On 16/07/2019, at 9:10 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan, > Yes I will make a pocket to take the vertical force. I think since the magnets are so cheap, I will just replace them when they corrode. Maybe spray them with WD-40. I did that with my hatch spring and it is amazing how well it worked. > Hank > > On Monday, July 15, 2019, 3:02:24 PM MDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Hank, > If you could mount them in a slot so that the vertical thrust pushes against the > edges of the slot, that would require less power from the magnets. ( you were > probably planning that anyway). > Magnets are corrosive so you would have to either coat them or mount them > Inside the hull. They should magnetise through the hull if strong enough. > If the magnets were mounted inside the hull you may be able to knock them > sideways out of the way to help release the thruster. > I would have some way of pinning the thrusters during transport, & take the > magnets off ( some how ) during storage. > One thought is that a powerful electro magnet may help with the removal of > the magnets. > Alan > >> On 16/07/2019, at 8:25 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Hi All, I want to make magnetic bases for my vertical thrusters on E3000. The thrusters are mounted to the hull section that jettisons witch is bad. I figure the best way to jettison the motors in my case is to mount them with magnets that will break away. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jul 15 19:18:39 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 17:18:39 -0600 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] magnetic base In-Reply-To: <77E077ED-FD21-4A35-8DAC-EE6CA16F6118@yahoo.com> References: <835921897.2268636.1563222344767.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <835921897.2268636.1563222344767@mail.yahoo.com> <7114C0D3-C6A7-4D27-AA92-7A3437E7DCE5@yahoo.com> <1647839652.2311368.1563225015353@mail.yahoo.com> <77E077ED-FD21-4A35-8DAC-EE6CA16F6118@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Alan. The motor is too far from the hull, plus the hull is 1 inch thick. I think I will mount a steel plate under the GPR and drill holes the size of round mounting magnets through the GPR then the have two round magnets connected to the motor. The GPR holes will prevent the magnets sliding. Each magnet holds 65 lbs. hank Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 15, 2019, at 4:37 PM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hank, > the magnets in my open underwater motor from Blue Robotics are coated > with a marine epoxy & are used in seawater. > There are large free magnets in old microwaves. I have some tiny 1/4" > neodymium magnets & they magnetise through an inch of wood. > I would experiment with putting the magnets inside the hull, & having a metal base > on the thrusters; that way you could assist in the breakaway of the thruster by > removing the magnets, rather than just rely on pulling power. Additionally you > wouldn't need to paint them & could experiment more readily with the power by > adding & subtracting. Another thought is having magnetic bases that are > used for mounting dial gauges; you could turn their switch to remove them. > Good idea re magnets Hank, hadn't considered that. > Alan > >> On 16/07/2019, at 9:10 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Alan, >> Yes I will make a pocket to take the vertical force. I think since the magnets are so cheap, I will just replace them when they corrode. Maybe spray them with WD-40. I did that with my hatch spring and it is amazing how well it worked. >> Hank >> >> On Monday, July 15, 2019, 3:02:24 PM MDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> Hank, >> If you could mount them in a slot so that the vertical thrust pushes against the >> edges of the slot, that would require less power from the magnets. ( you were >> probably planning that anyway). >> Magnets are corrosive so you would have to either coat them or mount them >> Inside the hull. They should magnetise through the hull if strong enough. >> If the magnets were mounted inside the hull you may be able to knock them >> sideways out of the way to help release the thruster. >> I would have some way of pinning the thrusters during transport, & take the >> magnets off ( some how ) during storage. >> One thought is that a powerful electro magnet may help with the removal of >> the magnets. >> Alan >> >>> On 16/07/2019, at 8:25 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, I want to make magnetic bases for my vertical thrusters on E3000. The thrusters are mounted to the hull section that jettisons witch is bad. I figure the best way to jettison the motors in my case is to mount them with magnets that will break away. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jul 15 22:07:59 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 14:07:59 +1200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] magnetic base In-Reply-To: <77E077ED-FD21-4A35-8DAC-EE6CA16F6118@yahoo.com> References: <835921897.2268636.1563222344767.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <835921897.2268636.1563222344767@mail.yahoo.com> <7114C0D3-C6A7-4D27-AA92-7A3437E7DCE5@yahoo.com> <1647839652.2311368.1563225015353@mail.yahoo.com> <77E077ED-FD21-4A35-8DAC-EE6CA16F6118@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <503A43C3-F021-4142-AE4D-208872197FC3@yahoo.com> Hank, thinking this through more; if you had your vertical thrusters in a slot that takes the vertical thrust, then this may impede the detachment of the thruster if the only force you can apply to the thruster is vertical to break it free from the magnets. Ie. If a rope is caught in the thruster & you have blown ballasts then the pull on the rope would be vertical & against the edge of the slot. If the magnets were mounted inside the hull & you removed them, then you would have a lot more chance of getting the thruster to drop off. Alan > On 16/07/2019, at 10:37 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Hank, > the magnets in my open underwater motor from Blue Robotics are coated > with a marine epoxy & are used in seawater. > There are large free magnets in old microwaves. I have some tiny 1/4" > neodymium magnets & they magnetise through an inch of wood. > I would experiment with putting the magnets inside the hull, & having a metal base > on the thrusters; that way you could assist in the breakaway of the thruster by > removing the magnets, rather than just rely on pulling power. Additionally you > wouldn't need to paint them & could experiment more readily with the power by > adding & subtracting. Another thought is having magnetic bases that are > used for mounting dial gauges; you could turn their switch to remove them. > Good idea re magnets Hank, hadn't considered that. > Alan > >> On 16/07/2019, at 9:10 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Alan, >> Yes I will make a pocket to take the vertical force. I think since the magnets are so cheap, I will just replace them when they corrode. Maybe spray them with WD-40. I did that with my hatch spring and it is amazing how well it worked. >> Hank >> >> On Monday, July 15, 2019, 3:02:24 PM MDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> >> Hank, >> If you could mount them in a slot so that the vertical thrust pushes against the >> edges of the slot, that would require less power from the magnets. ( you were >> probably planning that anyway). >> Magnets are corrosive so you would have to either coat them or mount them >> Inside the hull. They should magnetise through the hull if strong enough. >> If the magnets were mounted inside the hull you may be able to knock them >> sideways out of the way to help release the thruster. >> I would have some way of pinning the thrusters during transport, & take the >> magnets off ( some how ) during storage. >> One thought is that a powerful electro magnet may help with the removal of >> the magnets. >> Alan >> >>> On 16/07/2019, at 8:25 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, I want to make magnetic bases for my vertical thrusters on E3000. The thrusters are mounted to the hull section that jettisons witch is bad. I figure the best way to jettison the motors in my case is to mount them with magnets that will break away. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jul 15 22:40:53 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 19:40:53 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] magnetic base In-Reply-To: <503A43C3-F021-4142-AE4D-208872197FC3@yahoo.com> References: <835921897.2268636.1563222344767.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <835921897.2268636.1563222344767@mail.yahoo.com> <7114C0D3-C6A7-4D27-AA92-7A3437E7DCE5@yahoo.com> <1647839652.2311368.1563225015353@mail.yahoo.com> <77E077ED-FD21-4A35-8DAC-EE6CA16F6118@yahoo.com> <503A43C3-F021-4142-AE4D-208872197FC3@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hank, would you also be using a magnetic plate to connect your power supply contacts? I was thinking of an oring sealed plate compressed with the magnets could do the trick. David On Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 7:08 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hank, > thinking this through more; if you had your vertical thrusters in a slot > that > takes the vertical thrust, then this may impede the detachment of the > thruster > if the only force you can apply to the thruster is vertical to break it > free from > the magnets. Ie. If a rope is caught in the thruster & you have blown > ballasts > then the pull on the rope would be vertical & against the edge of the slot. > If the magnets were mounted inside the hull & you removed them, then you > would have a lot more chance of getting the thruster to drop off. > Alan > > On 16/07/2019, at 10:37 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Hank, > the magnets in my open underwater motor from Blue Robotics are coated > with a marine epoxy & are used in seawater. > There are large free magnets in old microwaves. I have some tiny 1/4" > neodymium magnets & they magnetise through an inch of wood. > I would experiment with putting the magnets inside the hull, & having a > metal base > on the thrusters; that way you could assist in the breakaway of the > thruster by > removing the magnets, rather than just rely on pulling power. Additionally > you > wouldn't need to paint them & could experiment more readily with the > power by > adding & subtracting. Another thought is having magnetic bases that are > used for mounting dial gauges; you could turn their switch to remove them. > Good idea re magnets Hank, hadn't considered that. > Alan > > On 16/07/2019, at 9:10 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Alan, > Yes I will make a pocket to take the vertical force. I think since the > magnets are so cheap, I will just replace them when they corrode. Maybe > spray them with WD-40. I did that with my hatch spring and it is amazing > how well it worked. > Hank > > On Monday, July 15, 2019, 3:02:24 PM MDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > > Hank, > If you could mount them in a slot so that the vertical thrust pushes > against the > edges of the slot, that would require less power from the magnets. ( you > were > probably planning that anyway). > Magnets are corrosive so you would have to either coat them or mount them > Inside the hull. They should magnetise through the hull if strong enough. > If the magnets were mounted inside the hull you may be able to knock them > sideways out of the way to help release the thruster. > I would have some way of pinning the thrusters during transport, & take the > magnets off ( some how ) during storage. > One thought is that a powerful electro magnet may help with the removal of > the magnets. > Alan > > On 16/07/2019, at 8:25 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Hi All, I want to make magnetic bases for my vertical thrusters on > E3000. The thrusters are mounted to the hull section that jettisons witch > is bad. I figure the best way to jettison the motors in my case is to > mount them with magnets that will break away. 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URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jul 16 01:40:17 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 01:40:17 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 In-Reply-To: References: <775317860.4080538.1562586847724.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <775317860.4080538.1562586847724@mail.yahoo.com> <421671879.2751400.1562592193493@mail.yahoo.com> <235852344.2919564.1562621442150@mail.yahoo.com> <443533152.3004718.1562634819439@mail.yahoo.com> <8E56D783-9ED0-49B4-B6D1-188155079CA7@yahoo.com> <007001d5361d$e8ffd710$baff8530$@telus.net> Message-ID: Wonderful Dave? it would indeed be a pleasure to see both you and Yvonne down in FL next year! I hear what you're saying about slow process. And with me in particular, you have to remember to figure in the fact that all you gents are smart cookies, I'm a dummy who relies on his poor old dad to help me out, and dad's often busy too! ~ Douglas On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 9:17 PM David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hey Douglas, building a one off vessel, I understand there is sometimes a > frustration with how long it can take, or your going nowhere fast. A year > ago i had visions of completing the SeaQuestor for this year's event. So i > set the goal, More experienced members, ie: Cliff, and Hank set me to > reality. So now i set more achievable goals, and try to keep to keep the > overall project moving forward in small steps. I figure if i do one thing > each day, it feels more like I'm moving forward. That being said, I plan > to be at the next event in March. I look forward to seeing you then, and > Wyvonne plans to be ready to dive there again. > David > > On Sun, Jul 14, 2019, 2:32 PM Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> I'm always fearful of the group here thinking that I've dropped out of >> PSUBS. Not so, but just like the rest of you folks, I lead a busy life >> packed with more than I can handle. Snoopy is currently torn down and in >> the middle of an overhaul. The process is taking longer than originally >> planned (due to some mods that are happening prior to re-assembly) and >> frankly, I don't think she'll be ready to head down to fL by next spring? >> but that's still what I'm going to shoot for. >> >> Meantime though, I'm happy to help host again in Islamorada. As Jon has >> mentioned, perhaps March of next year would be a good time for a >> convention. And I'm happy to chip in financially if we want to try the >> barge experiment. The 25 foot whaler is also available as a support / tow >> vessel. ~ Doug >> >> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 1:30 PM Rick Patton via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Tim >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 8:18 PM T Novak via Personal_Submersibles < >>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>> >>>> It's in the Upper Keys, south west of Key Largo, north east of Marathon. >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: >>>> personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Patton >>>> via Personal_Submersibles >>>> *Sent:* Monday, July 8, 2019 9:51 PM >>>> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What part of the Key's is Islamorada? >>>> >>>> Rick >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 6:47 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> Will look forward to the reports from that trip! >>>> >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9/07/2019, at 1:13 PM, via Personal_Submersibles < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> Our ship is like 70 feet longer than Alucia, so maybe that will dampen >>>> some of that of such fun southern ocean stuff. And everyone runs for cover >>>> at one time or another. Maybe we'll sneak in for a beer while if we run >>>> into WOW conditions. Waiting On Weather. >>>> >>>> Vance >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles >>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>>> Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 6:10 pm >>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 >>>> >>>> So sounds like you will be crossing 1000km of the worst waters in the >>>> World. >>>> >>>> Don't forget your sea sick pills! >>>> >>>> I mentioned Auckland because that was the route the Tritan team took on >>>> >>>> Alucia. >>>> >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9/07/2019, at 9:30 AM, via Personal_Submersibles < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> Coming out of Peru, and headed for the science station, as I understand >>>> it. There is a schedule somewhere in my files. Damned if I know where. >>>> Don't remember a stop an NZ stop right off hand, sorry to say. >>>> >>>> Vance >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Alan via Personal_Submersibles >>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>>> Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 5:03 pm >>>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 >>>> >>>> Vance, >>>> >>>> any details on the Antarctica trip; ship, route, crew, mission etc. >>>> >>>> Wondering if you are coming via Auckland N.Z. >>>> >>>> That's a big undertaking. >>>> >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9/07/2019, at 1:23 AM, via Personal_Submersibles < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> If I'm not at sea, then I could do some sort of presentation on Pisces >>>> VI. We're headed out for harbor trials and certification this fall, with >>>> projects already on the books for next year. Including the Antarctica trip. >>>> But there is (or should be) time in between for me to get home and catch up >>>> on the laundry. And who doesn't love Islamorada? >>>> >>>> Vance >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>>> To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >>>> Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 7:54 am >>>> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] PC2020 >>>> >>>> It's been a while since we held a PSUBS convention. After talking to a >>>> couple of people who have expressed interest in such event, I'm suggesting >>>> Islamorada (Florida Keys) in late March 2020 as a target location/date. >>>> Exact date to be determined, but could be any time between January and >>>> May. The only major holiday I am aware of is Easter which falls on April >>>> 12, 2020. Our rationale is that we have good resources and services in >>>> this location, both air and water are warm, underwater visibility is >>>> typically good, and it's a vacation destination if you want to bring family >>>> or extend your stay to visit Key West, Everglades, Miami Beach, or other >>>> activities. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This event would include diving and presentations such as updates on >>>> submarine fabrication and reports on activities such as the Lake Tahoe and >>>> Flathead Lake expeditions. I've located at least one barge that can >>>> provide surface transport and support for 2-3 submarines and bring them to >>>> a 200-300 foot diving location. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> We can consider other location alternatives, however the requirements >>>> for such suggestions are resources, services, and support including hotels, >>>> restaurants, dive shops, water ingress, and your ability to act as >>>> coordinator for that alternative location. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Discussion? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jon >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Tue Jul 16 05:20:08 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 09:20:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] magnetic base In-Reply-To: <503A43C3-F021-4142-AE4D-208872197FC3@yahoo.com> References: <835921897.2268636.1563222344767.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <835921897.2268636.1563222344767@mail.yahoo.com> <7114C0D3-C6A7-4D27-AA92-7A3437E7DCE5@yahoo.com> <1647839652.2311368.1563225015353@mail.yahoo.com> <77E077ED-FD21-4A35-8DAC-EE6CA16F6118@yahoo.com> <503A43C3-F021-4142-AE4D-208872197FC3@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <877821974.2581593.1563268808389@mail.yahoo.com> Alan,?In my case with E3000, if I have a rope in the prop and am stuck, I would jettison the bottom half of the sub giving me 600 lbs lift. ?I also have an enormous air supply from my buoyancy tanks that can be emptied into the MBT's . ?At 3000 feet I still have 2400 psi to work with in the tanks. ?I bought magnets with 60 lbs holding force and will use two per motor. ?I always test stuff like this, so I will test how much pull it takes to break the motors free. ?If the force is too great, I can weaken the force by putting thin non magnetic spacers between the magnet and base. ?I really like this idea, if it works out, any sub owner could could refit this to their existing mounts. ?It is unbelievable the magnet power and choices.Hank On Monday, July 15, 2019, 8:08:21 PM MDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank,thinking this through more; if you had your vertical thrusters in a slot thattakes the vertical thrust, then this may impede the detachment of the thrusterif the only force you can apply to the thruster is vertical to break it free fromthe magnets. Ie. If a rope is caught in the thruster & you have blown ballaststhen the pull on the rope would be vertical & against the edge of the slot.? ?If the magnets were mounted inside the hull & you removed them, then youwould have a lot more chance of getting the thruster to drop off.Alan On 16/07/2019, at 10:37 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank,the magnets in my open underwater motor from Blue Robotics are coatedwith a marine epoxy & are used in seawater.There are large free magnets in old microwaves. I have some tiny 1/4"neodymium magnets & they magnetise through an inch of wood.I would experiment with putting the magnets inside the hull, & having a metal baseon the thrusters; that way you could assist in the breakaway of the thruster byremoving the magnets, rather than just rely on pulling power. Additionally ?you?wouldn't need to paint them ?& could experiment more readily with the power by?adding & subtracting. Another thought is having magnetic bases that are?used for mounting dial gauges; you could turn their switch to remove them.Good idea re magnets Hank, hadn't considered that. ?Alan On 16/07/2019, at 9:10 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan,?Yes I will make a pocket to take the vertical force. ?I think since the magnets are so cheap, I will just replace them when they corrode. ?Maybe spray them with WD-40. ? I did that with my hatch spring and it is amazing how well it worked.Hank On Monday, July 15, 2019, 3:02:24 PM MDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank,If you could mount them in a slot so that the vertical thrust pushes against theedges of the slot, that would require less power from the magnets. ( you wereprobably planning that anyway).?Magnets are corrosive so you would have to either coat them or mount themInside the hull. They should magnetise through the hull if strong enough.If the magnets were mounted inside the hull you may be able to knock themsideways out of the way to help release the thruster.I would have some way of pinning the thrusters during transport, & take themagnets off ( some how ) during storage.One thought is that a powerful electro magnet may help with the removal ofthe magnets.Alan On 16/07/2019, at 8:25 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi All, ?I want to make magnetic bases for my vertical thrusters on E3000. ?The thrusters are mounted to the hull section that jettisons witch is bad. ?I figure the best way to jettison the motors in my case is to mount them with magnets that will break away. ?Anyone try this?Hank _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was thinking of an oring sealed plate compressed with the magnets could do the trick.?David On Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 7:08 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank,thinking this through more; if you had your vertical thrusters in a slot thattakes the vertical thrust, then this may impede the detachment of the thrusterif the only force you can apply to the thruster is vertical to break it free fromthe magnets. Ie. If a rope is caught in the thruster & you have blown ballaststhen the pull on the rope would be vertical & against the edge of the slot.? ?If the magnets were mounted inside the hull & you removed them, then youwould have a lot more chance of getting the thruster to drop off.Alan On 16/07/2019, at 10:37 AM, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank,the magnets in my open underwater motor from Blue Robotics are coatedwith a marine epoxy & are used in seawater.There are large free magnets in old microwaves. I have some tiny 1/4"neodymium magnets & they magnetise through an inch of wood.I would experiment with putting the magnets inside the hull, & having a metal baseon the thrusters; that way you could assist in the breakaway of the thruster byremoving the magnets, rather than just rely on pulling power. Additionally ?you?wouldn't need to paint them ?& could experiment more readily with the power by?adding & subtracting. Another thought is having magnetic bases that are?used for mounting dial gauges; you could turn their switch to remove them.Good idea re magnets Hank, hadn't considered that. ?Alan On 16/07/2019, at 9:10 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan,?Yes I will make a pocket to take the vertical force.? I think since the magnets are so cheap, I will just replace them when they corrode.? Maybe spray them with WD-40. ? I did that with my hatch spring and it is amazing how well it worked.Hank On Monday, July 15, 2019, 3:02:24 PM MDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hank,If you could mount them in a slot so that the vertical thrust pushes against theedges of the slot, that would require less power from the magnets. ( you wereprobably planning that anyway).?Magnets are corrosive so you would have to either coat them or mount themInside the hull. They should magnetise through the hull if strong enough.If the magnets were mounted inside the hull you may be able to knock themsideways out of the way to help release the thruster.I would have some way of pinning the thrusters during transport, & take themagnets off ( some how ) during storage.One thought is that a powerful electro magnet may help with the removal ofthe magnets.Alan On 16/07/2019, at 8:25 AM, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hi All, ?I want to make magnetic bases for my vertical thrusters on E3000.? The thrusters are mounted to the hull section that jettisons witch is bad.? I figure the best way to jettison the motors in my case is to mount them with magnets that will break away.? 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The tractor control with one 2-axis joystick is fantastic and exactly what I'm looking for.? It's a little more sensitive than I care for, I think due to having 10k ohm potentiometers on the joystick.? The controller documentation recommends 1-5k ohm potentiometers but I hadn't read that far when I ordered the 10k model.? So I'll probably pick up the same joystick with 5k ohm pots and see if it feels better. The software interface to the controller is great, giving me control over many parameters that affect the performance of the motors including safety shut-downs and limiting current, rpms, and even how fast it revs up to max rpms. Jon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The controller documentation recommends 1-5k ohm potentiometers but I hadn't read that far when I ordered the 10k model. So I'll probably pick up the same joystick with 5k ohm pots and see if it feels better. > > The software interface to the controller is great, giving me control over many parameters that affect the performance of the motors including safety shut-downs and limiting current, rpms, and even how fast it revs up to max rpms. > > Jon > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The tractor control with one 2-axis joystick is fantastic and exactly what I'm looking for.? It's a little more sensitive than I care for, I think due to having 10k ohm potentiometers on the joystick.? The controller documentation recommends 1-5k ohm potentiometers but I hadn't read that far when I ordered the 10k model.? So I'll probably pick up the same joystick with 5k ohm pots and see if it feels better. The software interface to the controller is great, giving me control over many parameters that affect the performance of the motors including safety shut-downs and limiting current, rpms, and even how fast it revs up to max rpms. Jon _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jul 18 18:24:51 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:24:51 +1200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Motor Controller Tractor Beam In-Reply-To: <896613076.3144742.1563453982081@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1147432565.2968286.1563415581863.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1147432565.2968286.1563415581863@mail.yahoo.com> <896613076.3144742.1563453982081@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3652193E-6291-4E79-99B2-53EA33B37C0E@yahoo.com> Jon, Just found your original post along with 5 other Psub posts in junk mail! I have been doing similar with my Vesc controllers & joysticks. I have a relatively small 3 axis joystick with switch. I don't think the sensitivity will be too much of an issue once it's pushing a submarine, as there will be a considerable amount of propeller slip softening the motion. I have my inflatable set up with joystick control, testing my thruster & various motor controllers. My intension is to build a custom flight control type joystick with a thumb slide oriented vertically to be intuitive for the vertical thruster control. Alan > On 19/07/2019, at 12:46 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > No, the joystick I have would qualify as a "mini" or even a thumb-stick so no switch. There's another one that has a larger body (25mm or so) and does have a button on the top. > > On Thursday, July 18, 2019, 08:01:49 AM EDT, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Jon. Is you joy stick with potentiometer also a on, off switch? > Hank > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 17, 2019, at 8:06 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Sort of. Connected my motor controllers to a couple of 12v motors just to test the configuration. The tractor control with one 2-axis joystick is fantastic and exactly what I'm looking for. It's a little more sensitive than I care for, I think due to having 10k ohm potentiometers on the joystick. The controller documentation recommends 1-5k ohm potentiometers but I hadn't read that far when I ordered the 10k model. So I'll probably pick up the same joystick with 5k ohm pots and see if it feels better. >> >> The software interface to the controller is great, giving me control over many parameters that affect the performance of the motors including safety shut-downs and limiting current, rpms, and even how fast it revs up to max rpms. >> >> Jon >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Thu Jul 18 18:49:15 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:49:15 +1200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Motor Controller Tractor Beam In-Reply-To: <896613076.3144742.1563453982081@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1147432565.2968286.1563415581863.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1147432565.2968286.1563415581863@mail.yahoo.com> <896613076.3144742.1563453982081@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jon, I remember seeing a video where a reporter takes control in the dragon submersible on Lake Tahoe. He throttles to go up & does what he describes as a wheel spin & gets know where. After some software tinkering the problem is remedied, so I presume they adjusted the ramping time that your software can also control. Alan > On 19/07/2019, at 12:46 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > No, the joystick I have would qualify as a "mini" or even a thumb-stick so no switch. There's another one that has a larger body (25mm or so) and does have a button on the top. > > On Thursday, July 18, 2019, 08:01:49 AM EDT, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Jon. Is you joy stick with potentiometer also a on, off switch? > Hank > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 17, 2019, at 8:06 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Sort of. Connected my motor controllers to a couple of 12v motors just to test the configuration. The tractor control with one 2-axis joystick is fantastic and exactly what I'm looking for. It's a little more sensitive than I care for, I think due to having 10k ohm potentiometers on the joystick. The controller documentation recommends 1-5k ohm potentiometers but I hadn't read that far when I ordered the 10k model. So I'll probably pick up the same joystick with 5k ohm pots and see if it feels better. >> >> The software interface to the controller is great, giving me control over many parameters that affect the performance of the motors including safety shut-downs and limiting current, rpms, and even how fast it revs up to max rpms. >> >> Jon >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jul 19 08:01:09 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 12:01:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Motor Controller Tractor Beam In-Reply-To: <3652193E-6291-4E79-99B2-53EA33B37C0E@yahoo.com> References: <1147432565.2968286.1563415581863.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1147432565.2968286.1563415581863@mail.yahoo.com> <896613076.3144742.1563453982081@mail.yahoo.com> <3652193E-6291-4E79-99B2-53EA33B37C0E@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1192598520.3729256.1563537669448@mail.yahoo.com> Alan, I like the idea of a larger joystick in most situations.? In my case I'm trying to combine separate thumb-sticks (for vertical/horizontal movement) with a 7-inch graphical display all of which is hand held so I can control the sub whether sitting in the CT or prone looking out the front. The programmable controllers offer a lot of configuration options and performance feedback, but are expensive.? I paid $265(US) six years ago but today the new versions are $500(US).? I think my replacements are going to be traditional Minn Kota controllers with a Raspberry PI interface to provide tractor steering. Jon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jul 19 17:21:22 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 09:21:22 +1200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Motor Controller Tractor Beam In-Reply-To: <1192598520.3729256.1563537669448@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1147432565.2968286.1563415581863.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1147432565.2968286.1563415581863@mail.yahoo.com> <896613076.3144742.1563453982081@mail.yahoo.com> <3652193E-6291-4E79-99B2-53EA33B37C0E@yahoo.com> <1192598520.3729256.1563537669448@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jon, are you intending to run it wireless? Have you thought about a 2.4ghz RC transmitter? There are mounts available for attaching screens to them. I had my ambient running off a ps2 controller, which has a similar joy stick configuration to a RC transmitter & it was quite intuitive. The Vesc motor controller that I keep going on about, comes in various flavours with some 100 amp controllers available. You can wire a joystick to them easy enough. Below I have hacked a "servo tester" by wiring the pot on my joystick to the contacts on it's pot so it is now converting analog to a 2.4ghz signal to the Vesc. I will be doing a lot of testing of my Vescs in August & September in pool & on a boat. Alan > On 20/07/2019, at 12:01 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan, I like the idea of a larger joystick in most situations. In my case I'm trying to combine separate thumb-sticks (for vertical/horizontal movement) with a 7-inch graphical display all of which is hand held so I can control the sub whether sitting in the CT or prone looking out the front. > > The programmable controllers offer a lot of configuration options and performance feedback, but are expensive. I paid $265(US) six years ago but today the new versions are $500(US). I think my replacements are going to be traditional Minn Kota controllers with a Raspberry PI interface to provide tractor steering. > > Jon > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 1852655 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sun Jul 21 06:31:39 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 10:31:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Motor Controller Tractor Beam In-Reply-To: References: <1147432565.2968286.1563415581863.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1147432565.2968286.1563415581863@mail.yahoo.com> <896613076.3144742.1563453982081@mail.yahoo.com> <3652193E-6291-4E79-99B2-53EA33B37C0E@yahoo.com> <1192598520.3729256.1563537669448@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200658949.4420198.1563705099863@mail.yahoo.com> Alan, currently planning to run wires since it's easiest to implement.? Phase-2 will involve wireless in a similar fashion to what you have pictured.? So you've got that joystick with the button on top, tell me about the quality...it's ok?? What size pots are on it?? Can you take a photo with your hand on it so I can get some perspective to it's overall size??? Jon On Friday, July 19, 2019, 05:26:41 PM EDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Jon,are you intending to run it wireless?Have you thought about a 2.4ghz RC transmitter?There are mounts available for attaching screens to them.I had my ambient running off a ps2 controller, which has a similar joy stickconfiguration to a RC transmitter & it was quite intuitive.The Vesc motor controller that I keep going on about, comes in variousflavours with some 100 amp controllers available. You can wire a joystick?to them easy enough. Below I have hacked a "servo tester" by wiring the pot onmy joystick to the contacts on it's pot so it is now converting analog to a 2.4ghzsignal to the Vesc.?I will be doing a lot of testing of my Vescs in August & September in pool & on a boat.Alan On 20/07/2019, at 12:01 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Alan, I like the idea of a larger joystick in most situations.? In my case I'm trying to combine separate thumb-sticks (for vertical/horizontal movement) with a 7-inch graphical display all of which is hand held so I can control the sub whether sitting in the CT or prone looking out the front. The programmable controllers offer a lot of configuration options and performance feedback, but are expensive.? I paid $265(US) six years ago but today the new versions are $500(US).? I think my replacements are going to be traditional Minn Kota controllers with a Raspberry PI interface to provide tractor steering. Jon _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It's nowhere near as solid as an industrial joy stick & not sure that it would come in to the category of semi-industrial. The pots stick out at the side so don't have any protection against water ingress. I bought a few joysticks with the thought of making up a small tailor made flight control stick which would have a silicone sheath cast around it. In the photo below, the smallest item is a 2 axis thumb slide joystick, which has had good comments from the gaming community. I was thinking of mounting it as a "top hat" joystick is mounted on a flight controller & using it for the vertical thrusters. The other small PlayStation type joystick seems to have a better range of movement & feel smoother. The joystick on the left has a third axis that rotates hence the wide portion. With my Vesc motor controller, there is a port for plugging in a standard RC receiver, so very easy to run it off a radio control transmitter. I intend to have my flight controller wired in but have radio control as well. The RC will be for launching & controlling the submarine for boarding from the support boat. Alan > On 21/07/2019, at 10:31 PM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Alan, currently planning to run wires since it's easiest to implement. Phase-2 will involve wireless in a similar fashion to what you have pictured. So you've got that joystick with the button on top, tell me about the quality...it's ok? What size pots are on it? Can you take a photo with your hand on it so I can get some perspective to it's overall size? > > Jon > > On Friday, July 19, 2019, 05:26:41 PM EDT, Alan via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Jon, > are you intending to run it wireless? > Have you thought about a 2.4ghz RC transmitter? > There are mounts available for attaching screens to them. > I had my ambient running off a ps2 controller, which has a similar joy stick > configuration to a RC transmitter & it was quite intuitive. > The Vesc motor controller that I keep going on about, comes in various > flavours with some 100 amp controllers available. You can wire a joystick > to them easy enough. Below I have hacked a "servo tester" by wiring the pot on > my joystick to the contacts on it's pot so it is now converting analog to a 2.4ghz > signal to the Vesc. > I will be doing a lot of testing of my Vescs in August & September in pool & on a boat. > Alan > > >> On 20/07/2019, at 12:01 AM, Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> Alan, I like the idea of a larger joystick in most situations. In my case I'm trying to combine separate thumb-sticks (for vertical/horizontal movement) with a 7-inch graphical display all of which is hand held so I can control the sub whether sitting in the CT or prone looking out the front. >> >> The programmable controllers offer a lot of configuration options and performance feedback, but are expensive. I paid $265(US) six years ago but today the new versions are $500(US). 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Now if you can figure out how to get > it to our next Psub convention in Islamorada Fl, we could see it in real > life. > > Great job! > > On Monday, July 22, 2019, 10:16:26 AM CDT, Alec Smyth via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Wow James, that beats all of us for launch and retrieval method. Love it! > > Alec > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 9:17 AM James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Hi All > > Managed to get a better dive in yesterday. Put the sub onto the beach > early morning and waited for the tide. Dived over high tide and then did > the reverse to put it away. > > I dived over a large area of man made Oyster beds, which made for a much > more interesting dive than the normal sand etc. > > I was filming away like mad, but when I downloaded the footage off the > camera, I think I had forgotten to press the "record" button. So you'll > just have to take my word for it that it was a bit more interesting than > normal! > > Few pics here and I will do a video later. > > [image: IMG-20190722-WA0025.jpg] > [image: IMG-20190721-WA0002.jpg] > [image: IMG-20190722-WA0019.jpg] > [image: IMG-20190722-WA0033.jpg] > [image: IMG-20190722-WA0018.jpg] > [image: IMG-20190722-WA0024.jpg] > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And your wife also.? :) On Monday, July 22, 2019, 06:18:37 PM EDT, hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: Hello All,I want to congratulate Ian Irox for purchasing Gamma from me. ?Both my wife and I are ?extra pleased Ian is getting the sub and bringing it back where it came from. ?I look forward to seeing what Ian does with her.Hank_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jul 22 19:20:28 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 19:20:28 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Gamma new owner In-Reply-To: <974413675.5147280.1563837126627@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2067777986.5620668.1563833788867.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2067777986.5620668.1563833788867@mail.yahoo.com> <974413675.5147280.1563837126627@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Congrats on the sale Hank? congrats on the purchase Ian! I've never actually seen Gamma in person before, but I know she's a good boat. ~ Doug S. On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 7:13 PM Jon Wallace via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Congrats to both of you! And your wife also. :) > > On Monday, July 22, 2019, 06:18:37 PM EDT, hank pronk via > Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > > Hello All, > I want to congratulate Ian Irox for purchasing Gamma from me. Both my > wife and I are extra pleased Ian is getting the sub and bringing it back > where it came from. I look forward to seeing what Ian does with her. > Hank > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Mon Jul 22 19:21:26 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 19:21:26 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Jodie B Oyster Beds dive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nice photos James! You can get us some footage next dive. ~ Doug S. On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 5:00 PM David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > James, It looks great ! There is always next time for videos. > > Best Regards, > David Colombo > > 804 College Ave > Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 > (707) 536-1424 > www.SeaQuestor.com > > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 6:17 AM James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Hi All >> >> Managed to get a better dive in yesterday. Put the sub onto the beach >> early morning and waited for the tide. Dived over high tide and then did >> the reverse to put it away. >> >> I dived over a large area of man made Oyster beds, which made for a much >> more interesting dive than the normal sand etc. >> >> I was filming away like mad, but when I downloaded the footage off the >> camera, I think I had forgotten to press the "record" button. So you'll >> just have to take my word for it that it was a bit more interesting than >> normal! >> >> Few pics here and I will do a video later. >> >> [image: IMG-20190722-WA0025.jpg] >> [image: IMG-20190721-WA0002.jpg] >> [image: IMG-20190722-WA0019.jpg] >> [image: IMG-20190722-WA0033.jpg] >> [image: IMG-20190722-WA0018.jpg] >> [image: IMG-20190722-WA0024.jpg] >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The slipways (boat ramps) here are not steep enough. I?ve checked out every one. I need 1.8 meters to float off the trailer. There are a couple that would work for a trailer launch but they are in the main harbour and the dive sites are rubbish. The bobcat works well, it just takes a while. We have big tides here, 10 meters some days. Cliff. The ?viewport? mods to the main tanks were supposed to be so I could see through. But they are not big enough to be very useful. Would love to bring the boat to the convention, but the cost would be just too much....? Anyway, kind of video photo montage here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hE52rkFgRY Regards James On Tuesday, 23 July 2019, Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Nice photos James! You can get us some footage next dive. ~ Doug S. > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 5:00 PM David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> James, It looks great ! There is always next time for videos. >> >> Best Regards, >> David Colombo >> >> 804 College Ave >> >> Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 >> >> (707) 536-1424 >> www.SeaQuestor.com >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 6:17 AM James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles >> wrote: >> >>> Hi All >>> >>> Managed to get a better dive in yesterday. Put the sub onto the beach >>> early morning and waited for the tide. Dived over high tide and then did >>> the reverse to put it away. >>> >>> I dived over a large area of man made Oyster beds, which made for a much >>> more interesting dive than the normal sand etc. >>> >>> I was filming away like mad, but when I downloaded the footage off the >>> camera, I think I had forgotten to press the "record" button. So you'll >>> just have to take my word for it that it was a bit more interesting than >>> normal! >>> >>> Few pics here and I will do a video later. >>> >>> [image: IMG-20190722-WA0025.jpg] >>> [image: IMG-20190721-WA0002.jpg] >>> [image: IMG-20190722-WA0019.jpg] >>> [image: IMG-20190722-WA0033.jpg] >>> [image: IMG-20190722-WA0018.jpg] >>> [image: IMG-20190722-WA0024.jpg] >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The bobcat works well, it just takes a while. We have big tides here, 10 meters some days. > Cliff. The ?viewport? mods to the main tanks were supposed to be so I could see through. But they are not big enough to be very useful. Would love to bring the boat to the convention, but the cost would be just too much....? > Anyway, kind of video photo montage here. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hE52rkFgRY > > Regards > James > > > >> On Tuesday, 23 July 2019, Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> Nice photos James! You can get us some footage next dive. ~ Doug S. >> >>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 5:00 PM David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> James, It looks great ! There is always next time for videos. >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> David Colombo >>> >>> 804 College Ave >>> Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 >>> (707) 536-1424 >>> www.SeaQuestor.com >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 6:17 AM James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>>> Hi All >>>> >>>> Managed to get a better dive in yesterday. Put the sub onto the beach early morning and waited for the tide. Dived over high tide and then did the reverse to put it away. >>>> >>>> I dived over a large area of man made Oyster beds, which made for a much more interesting dive than the normal sand etc. >>>> >>>> I was filming away like mad, but when I downloaded the footage off the camera, I think I had forgotten to press the "record" button. 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The long tubes dangle down low and act as the bladders. I was particularly pleased with the gelcoat work as i had never done this before, and I had to make a flat point out of glass fibre to mount the hatch to and then gelcoat it to blend it into the main tank. [image: 20190722_151833.jpg] Access panel for the O2 tank. No more scrambling around trying to lift if onto the bracket. [image: 20190722_151844.jpg] Made a glass fibre tube to mount the O2 tank in. I can now just slide it in and out of the side panel hatch into the tube. Was getting carried away with GRP work. My first proper moulded thing. [image: 20190722_151919.jpg] New compensation system. i took the risk and welded the 90 degree pipe nipple to the top motor casing and welded the bottom one shut. Ground the connection flush on the inside. Now there is nowhere for air to trap. I can fill the motor through the top tube and close the valve. The valve just connects to a bracket underneath to keep it out the way. No more air bubbles in the motors. [image: 20190722_152033.jpg] Re-mounted the dome on a 1mm cork\neoprene gasket instead of the EPDM one after Hank did some experiments and found the EPDM to extrude quite a lot. [image: 20190722_152045.jpg] I also made a new super low loading trailer for taking up less room in the workshop. I was hoping to be able to launch off it, but its not really road legal so i have only used it in the shop so far. Note there are no proper axles so the bed is lower than the centre wheel hight. [image: Untitled.jpg] Regards James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20190722_151833.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 74001 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: Untitled.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 196225 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jul 24 09:23:17 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 09:23:17 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Jodie B Mods In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow, that is all both innovative and well executed! BTW if you use torsion axles, you can make that super-low trailer road legal. Best, Alec On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 8:23 AM James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Hi All, > Some pics of the modifications I have made to Jodie B over the winter. > > Aft tank access panel so I can easily get to the motor compensation > tubes. I have put 2x long tubes on with a ball valve on the end of each > one. I can now easily fill the motor from above throught the access port > and just close the valves. The long tubes dangle down low and act as the > bladders. I was particularly pleased with the gelcoat work as i had never > done this before, and I had to make a flat point out of glass fibre to > mount the hatch to and then gelcoat it to blend it into the main tank. > > [image: 20190722_151833.jpg] > > Access panel for the O2 tank. No more scrambling around trying to lift if > onto the bracket. > > [image: 20190722_151844.jpg] > > Made a glass fibre tube to mount the O2 tank in. I can now just slide it > in and out of the side panel hatch into the tube. Was getting carried away > with GRP work. My first proper moulded thing. > [image: 20190722_151919.jpg] > > New compensation system. i took the risk and welded the 90 degree pipe > nipple to the top motor casing and welded the bottom one shut. Ground the > connection flush on the inside. Now there is nowhere for air to trap. I > can fill the motor through the top tube and close the valve. The valve > just connects to a bracket underneath to keep it out the way. No more air > bubbles in the motors. > [image: 20190722_152033.jpg] > > Re-mounted the dome on a 1mm cork\neoprene gasket instead of the EPDM one > after Hank did some experiments and found the EPDM to extrude quite a lot. > [image: 20190722_152045.jpg] > I also made a new super low loading trailer for taking up less room in the > workshop. I was hoping to be able to launch off it, but its not really > road legal so i have only used it in the shop so far. Note there are no > proper axles so the bed is lower than the centre wheel hight. > > [image: Untitled.jpg] > > Regards > James > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I can now easily fill the motor from above throught the access port > and just close the valves. The long tubes dangle down low and act as the > bladders. I was particularly pleased with the gelcoat work as i had never > done this before, and I had to make a flat point out of glass fibre to > mount the hatch to and then gelcoat it to blend it into the main tank. > > [image: 20190722_151833.jpg] > > Access panel for the O2 tank. No more scrambling around trying to lift if > onto the bracket. > > [image: 20190722_151844.jpg] > > Made a glass fibre tube to mount the O2 tank in. I can now just slide it > in and out of the side panel hatch into the tube. Was getting carried away > with GRP work. My first proper moulded thing. > [image: 20190722_151919.jpg] > > New compensation system. i took the risk and welded the 90 degree pipe > nipple to the top motor casing and welded the bottom one shut. Ground the > connection flush on the inside. Now there is nowhere for air to trap. I > can fill the motor through the top tube and close the valve. The valve > just connects to a bracket underneath to keep it out the way. No more air > bubbles in the motors. > [image: 20190722_152033.jpg] > > Re-mounted the dome on a 1mm cork\neoprene gasket instead of the EPDM one > after Hank did some experiments and found the EPDM to extrude quite a lot. > [image: 20190722_152045.jpg] > I also made a new super low loading trailer for taking up less room in the > workshop. I was hoping to be able to launch off it, but its not really > road legal so i have only used it in the shop so far. Note there are no > proper axles so the bed is lower than the centre wheel hight. > > [image: Untitled.jpg] > > Regards > James > > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: Untitled.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 196225 bytes Desc: not available URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Wed Jul 24 11:23:13 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 11:23:13 -0400 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Jodie B Mods In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The cool thing is they are height-adjustable. Originally my trailer was as low as James', but I actually raised it a bit because of hitting rocks on crummy ramps, of speed bumps. On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 10:46 AM David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Hi James, It looks great. I agree with Alec on the torsion axles. Thats > the direction I am going on my trailer mods. > Best Regards, > David Colombo > > 804 College Ave > Santa Rosa, CA. 95404 > (707) 536-1424 > www.SeaQuestor.com > > > > On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 5:23 AM James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> >> Hi All, >> Some pics of the modifications I have made to Jodie B over the winter. >> >> Aft tank access panel so I can easily get to the motor compensation >> tubes. I have put 2x long tubes on with a ball valve on the end of each >> one. I can now easily fill the motor from above throught the access port >> and just close the valves. The long tubes dangle down low and act as the >> bladders. I was particularly pleased with the gelcoat work as i had never >> done this before, and I had to make a flat point out of glass fibre to >> mount the hatch to and then gelcoat it to blend it into the main tank. >> >> [image: 20190722_151833.jpg] >> >> Access panel for the O2 tank. No more scrambling around trying to lift >> if onto the bracket. >> >> [image: 20190722_151844.jpg] >> >> Made a glass fibre tube to mount the O2 tank in. I can now just slide it >> in and out of the side panel hatch into the tube. Was getting carried away >> with GRP work. My first proper moulded thing. >> [image: 20190722_151919.jpg] >> >> New compensation system. i took the risk and welded the 90 degree pipe >> nipple to the top motor casing and welded the bottom one shut. Ground the >> connection flush on the inside. Now there is nowhere for air to trap. I >> can fill the motor through the top tube and close the valve. The valve >> just connects to a bracket underneath to keep it out the way. No more air >> bubbles in the motors. >> [image: 20190722_152033.jpg] >> >> Re-mounted the dome on a 1mm cork\neoprene gasket instead of the EPDM one >> after Hank did some experiments and found the EPDM to extrude quite a lot. >> [image: 20190722_152045.jpg] >> I also made a new super low loading trailer for taking up less room in >> the workshop. I was hoping to be able to launch off it, but its not really >> road legal so i have only used it in the shop so far. 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You sound like a real pro pilot on the radio Hank Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 26, 2019, at 9:47 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > https://youtu.be/cdKEr3T_ow8 > > > David > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jul 26 13:25:54 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Cliff Redus via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 17:25:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hi guys, just uploaded the "SeaQuestor Submarine, teaser trailer video." on YouTube. Let me know your thoughts as i plan to complete a series on the build. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <104808355.1555483.1564161954022@mail.yahoo.com> Well done! Cliff On Friday, July 26, 2019, 10:49:08 AM CDT, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: https://youtu.be/cdKEr3T_ow8 David_______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jul 26 13:26:58 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 10:26:58 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hi guys, just uploaded the "SeaQuestor Submarine, teaser trailer video." on YouTube. Let me know your thoughts as i plan to complete a series on the build. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Hank, like the fact that I got Wyvonne to record the permission to dive part. Always good to have the wifes permission. David On Fri, Jul 26, 2019, 9:05 AM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > David. > Nice job. You sound like a real pro pilot on the radio > Hank > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 26, 2019, at 9:47 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > https://youtu.be/cdKEr3T_ow8 > > > David > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You sound like a real pro pilot on the radio > Hank > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 26, 2019, at 9:47 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> >> https://youtu.be/cdKEr3T_ow8 >> >> >> David >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jul 26 14:23:40 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Brian Cox via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 11:23:40 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hi guys, just uploaded the "SeaQuestor Submarine, teaser trailer video." on YouTube. Let me know your thoughts as i plan to complete a series on the build. Message-ID: <20190726112340.BA4AA6@m0117459.ppops.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Fri Jul 26 17:13:04 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (Alan via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 09:13:04 +1200 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hi guys, just uploaded the "SeaQuestor Submarine, teaser trailer video." on YouTube. Let me know your thoughts as i plan to complete a series on the build. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9DE24B29-2A53-4C4B-A536-08F4C51D169A@yahoo.com> Very good a David, liked the intro with the Sea Quester name coming out of the bubbles. Did you do all that? Alan > On 27/07/2019, at 5:26 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: > > Thanks Hank, like the fact that I got Wyvonne to record the permission to dive part. Always good to have the wifes permission. > David > >> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019, 9:05 AM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >> David. >> Nice job. You sound like a real pro pilot on the radio >> Hank >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 26, 2019, at 9:47 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles wrote: >>> >>> https://youtu.be/cdKEr3T_ow8 >>> >>> >>> David >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >>> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >>> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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David On Fri, Jul 26, 2019, 2:14 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Very good a David, > liked the intro with the Sea Quester name coming out of the bubbles. > Did you do all that? > Alan > > On 27/07/2019, at 5:26 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Thanks Hank, like the fact that I got Wyvonne to record the permission to > dive part. Always good to have the wifes permission. > David > > On Fri, Jul 26, 2019, 9:05 AM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> David. >> Nice job. You sound like a real pro pilot on the radio >> Hank >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 26, 2019, at 9:47 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> https://youtu.be/cdKEr3T_ow8 >> >> >> David >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jul 27 14:01:14 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (T Novak via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 11:01:14 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hi guys, just uploaded the "SeaQuestor Submarine, teaser trailer video." on YouTube. Let me know your thoughts as i plan to complete a series on the build. In-Reply-To: References: <9DE24B29-2A53-4C4B-A536-08F4C51D169A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002001d544a5$490f9bf0$db2ed3d0$@telus.net> Very nice, David. Loved the drama? pulled the viewer into the excitement of the build. Tim From: Personal_Submersibles [mailto:personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] On Behalf Of David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 2:37 PM To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hi guys, just uploaded the "SeaQuestor Submarine, teaser trailer video." on YouTube. Let me know your thoughts as i plan to complete a series on the build. Hi Alan, i had a young gal do it for me. I just scripted and provided the footage. David On Fri, Jul 26, 2019, 2:14 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Very good a David, liked the intro with the Sea Quester name coming out of the bubbles. Did you do all that? Alan On 27/07/2019, at 5:26 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: Thanks Hank, like the fact that I got Wyvonne to record the permission to dive part. Always good to have the wifes permission. David On Fri, Jul 26, 2019, 9:05 AM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: David. Nice job. You sound like a real pro pilot on the radio Hank Sent from my iPhone On Jul 26, 2019, at 9:47 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles > wrote: https://youtu.be/cdKEr3T_ow8 David _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles _______________________________________________ Personal_Submersibles mailing list Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jul 27 14:42:37 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 11:42:37 -0700 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hi guys, just uploaded the "SeaQuestor Submarine, teaser trailer video." on YouTube. Let me know your thoughts as i plan to complete a series on the build. In-Reply-To: <002001d544a5$490f9bf0$db2ed3d0$@telus.net> References: <9DE24B29-2A53-4C4B-A536-08F4C51D169A@yahoo.com> <002001d544a5$490f9bf0$db2ed3d0$@telus.net> Message-ID: Thanks Tim, exactly what i was hoping for. David On Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 11:17 AM T Novak via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Very nice, David. Loved the drama? pulled the viewer into the excitement > of the build. > > Tim > > > > *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: > personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *David Colombo via > Personal_Submersibles > *Sent:* Friday, July 26, 2019 2:37 PM > *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> > *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hi guys, just uploaded the "SeaQuestor > Submarine, teaser trailer video." on YouTube. Let me know your thoughts as > i plan to complete a series on the build. > > > > Hi Alan, i had a young gal do it for me. I just scripted and provided the > footage. > > David > > > > On Fri, Jul 26, 2019, 2:14 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Very good a David, > > liked the intro with the Sea Quester name coming out of the bubbles. > > Did you do all that? > > Alan > > > On 27/07/2019, at 5:26 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > Thanks Hank, like the fact that I got Wyvonne to record the permission to > dive part. Always good to have the wifes permission. > > David > > > > On Fri, Jul 26, 2019, 9:05 AM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > David. > > Nice job. You sound like a real pro pilot on the radio > > Hank > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 26, 2019, at 9:47 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > > https://youtu.be/cdKEr3T_ow8 > > > > > > David > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From personal_submersibles at psubs.org Sat Jul 27 15:30:04 2019 From: personal_submersibles at psubs.org (James Frankland via Personal_Submersibles) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 20:30:04 +0100 Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hi guys, just uploaded the "SeaQuestor Submarine, teaser trailer video." on YouTube. Let me know your thoughts as i plan to complete a series on the build. In-Reply-To: References: <9DE24B29-2A53-4C4B-A536-08F4C51D169A@yahoo.com> <002001d544a5$490f9bf0$db2ed3d0$@telus.net> Message-ID: Very dramatic, but I love it. The work is phenomenal. Its going to be a fantastic boat. 10\10. On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 at 19:43, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > Thanks Tim, exactly what i was hoping for. > David > > On Sat, Jul 27, 2019, 11:17 AM T Novak via Personal_Submersibles < > personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: > >> Very nice, David. Loved the drama? pulled the viewer into the excitement >> of the build. >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> *From:* Personal_Submersibles [mailto: >> personal_submersibles-bounces at psubs.org] *On Behalf Of *David Colombo >> via Personal_Submersibles >> *Sent:* Friday, July 26, 2019 2:37 PM >> *To:* Personal Submersibles General Discussion < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> >> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hi guys, just uploaded the "SeaQuestor >> Submarine, teaser trailer video." on YouTube. Let me know your thoughts as >> i plan to complete a series on the build. >> >> >> >> Hi Alan, i had a young gal do it for me. I just scripted and provided the >> footage. >> >> David >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019, 2:14 PM Alan via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Very good a David, >> >> liked the intro with the Sea Quester name coming out of the bubbles. >> >> Did you do all that? >> >> Alan >> >> >> On 27/07/2019, at 5:26 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> Thanks Hank, like the fact that I got Wyvonne to record the permission to >> dive part. Always good to have the wifes permission. >> >> David >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019, 9:05 AM hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> David. >> >> Nice job. You sound like a real pro pilot on the radio >> >> Hank >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On Jul 26, 2019, at 9:47 AM, David Colombo via Personal_Submersibles < >> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote: >> >> https://youtu.be/cdKEr3T_ow8 >> >> >> >> >> >> David >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Personal_Submersibles mailing list >> Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org >> http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles >> > _______________________________________________ > Personal_Submersibles mailing list > Personal_Submersibles at psubs.org > http://www.psubs.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/personal_submersibles > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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