[PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo
Alec Smyth via Personal_Submersibles
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Scott, this does not look like it could do any surface run to speak of.
Methinks you'd need a real surface ship. When you and Hank come BACK from
Tenerife I'll tag along!
Best,
Alec
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:04 PM, swaters at waters-ks.com via
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> Ok. Thanks Hank.
> Scott Waters
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> Date:01/06/2015 12:46 PM (GMT-06:00)
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> Scott,
> I lost the pics in a pc problem You can contact Alan at Silvercrest, he
> was the agent. If you want to go to Tenerife to see it I will tag along.
> Hank--------------------------------------------
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> That
> might be a possability! Do you have any pics of her? My goal
> is 1000 meters or deeper, but depends on what options come
> up.Thanks,Scott Waters
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> From: hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
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> Scott,
> I don't know how deep you want to go and how much effort
> you want to put in,,,,,but there is the Wrangler sub in
> Tenerife Spain. The Wrangler is GPR with two 34in
> domes, one at each end. One end opens as the
> hatch. My idea was to replace the hull with 516-70
> steel with a CT. It had a deal worked out at 50K
> landed in Vancouver. I think she can do 2,000 feet.
> Hank --------------------------------------------
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> Scott,
> Did he say where and how deep?
> Hank--------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com
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> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 10:57 AM
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> An
> update on Leo. Silvercrest claims she was sunk in
> deep
> water
> after a insurance claim some time
> ago. Thanks,Scott
> Waters
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> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces
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> It would surely be nice to find
> Leo. I'd go into hock again for that one, just
> for old
> time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm
> virtually
> certain that those particular hull(s) were built of
> A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and most
> of
> the
> boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the ones
> without
> cyrillic operating manuals).
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> I don't remember how thick the steel
> was, but it was definitely made from standard stuff.
> Plus,
> the main viewport was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving
> that
> thing was seriously awesome. She had plenty of room
> for
> two
> (or enough for three good friends) and that huge
> picture
> window in the front.
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> If Hyco had survived (Leo was their last
> P-style boat) I'm betting there would be more of
> them
> out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's
> stranglehold on the shallow water market (shallow by
> comparison) and I think it was a really good try.
> Sadly,
> it
> all fell apart before we could really show her
> off.
>
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>
> We did all the deepwater pilot training
> in her down on the Flower Gardens, and had a ball.
> These
> days, she'd be even better, because the
> subsystems and
> propulsion gear is so much better. That sub was rated
> for
> 2000 feet, which ain't bad. How about that
> for an option,
> Scott?
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> No fancy steel. Huge
> viewport. 600 meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2
> foot
> sphere displaces less than 6-tons. Add a pair of
> uncle
> Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam
> to
> support them. Fair the thing like a fat tadpole. You
> could
> probably hold it down to 7, maybe 7 1/2 tons.
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> Leo weighs 10. Most of the P-boats weigh
> that, and a good bit more. Yours would be a
> lightweight
> compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build, more
> agile,
> easier to maintain..... The list goes on. What could
> be
> better? Damn, I want one!!! It would be perfect for
> my
> neck
> of the woods.
>
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>
>
> Vance
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> Thanks for the info Phil. I keep running into the
> same
> problems of the material and building of the
> personel
> sphere.
>
> Scott Waters
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> From: Phil Nuytten via Personal_Submersibles
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> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces
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> Hi, Guys, and Happy New Year to all loyal
> subbers!!
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> Glad to shed some little light on the Pisces
> subs
> . .We (Nuytco) have
> four Hyco boats – 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5
> are
> in
> Hawaii at HURL (Hawaii
> Underwater Research Lab) – they are out of
> service,
> currently and may be sold
> off if no funding is forthcoming. I hope not,
> because
> Terry
> Kerby and his crew
> rebuilt them into the cream of the Pisces crop! There
> are
> two Pisces boats in
> Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or,
> actually
> ,
> outside a museum).
> Pisces –1, is in the UK, last seen, it was in
> parts.
> Likewise, P-6
> is in parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking
> of
> IUC’s vessel ‘Aloha’)
> and what’s left is in New York as Vance mentions. I
> cut
> a
> deal with my old
> friend Andre Galerne (before his untimely
> death) to
> have first dibs on
> buying P-6 to go into the ‘working sub’
> Hyco/Pisces
> display section at our
> long-awaited ‘Deep Discovery Centre’ diving
> technology
> museum. His sons, Lionel
> and Eric were kind enough to honour Andre’s
> wishes
> and we will arrange
> shipment to the west coast when the weather gets
> better.
> Would appreciate it if
> you would steer clear of this one – we do plan to
> rebuild
> to the same condition
> as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for . .
> ‘Leo’ – I heard some years
> ago that it was for sale (cheap) but have no idea
> what
> ultimately happened to
> it. Maybe ask at Silvercrest? About all you will be
> able
> to
> use from the P-boats
> now is the personnel sphere – you’d probably be
> better
> off building one from
> scratch if you want a thousand feet or less – after
> the
> first thou, the spheres
> get much more expensive.
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> Reagards
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> Phil
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> Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what turns up.
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> Thanks,
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> International Underwater
> Contractors. When Andre Galern was alive, it was one
> of
> THE
> deep diving
> construction companies in the world. No idea
> what's
> happened up there in the
> last few years. Best to ask Dr. Phil that one, too.
> He
> knew/knows all those
> guys.
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> Vance,
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> Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should
> probably know this. Haha.
> I figure it's worth at least trying.
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> Thanks,
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> Scott Waters
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> Anything is possible, Scott.
> SIlvercrest will skin you alive, given half an
> opportunity.
> Or at least they'll
> try. You have to be willing to wrangle with them. I
> don't think they'll respect
> anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one
> laying
> around. I've never asked.
> You could do a lot worse, if the hulls are
> salvageable.
> There are four pressure
> vessels (except on Leo). The personnel sphere, an
> aft
> floatation sphere, and the
> two 32" forward VBTs (that's what is under
> the
> fiberglas brow that makes the P
> boats so distinctive. And the boats weigh from ten
> to
> twelve
> tons, depending.
> Just in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds
> for
> load capability. The
> P-VI was the most perfect hull Hyco ever did--it was
> fabricated in Jacques
> Piccard's shop in Switzerland under contract, and
> was
> lap finished, as I
> understand it--both inside and out. Lovely thing,
> P-VI. I
> remember her well.
> Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it
> out into
> a dumpster. That might
> be another question for our Dr. Phil, as I have zero
> contacts up that way
> anymore. Keep me in mind. I'll happily spin a
> wrench for
> you anytime on one of
> those.
>
> Vance
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> Excellent info Vance! Thank you so much. I was
> hopeing
> to locate one and
> maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one rather
> than
> try to build a 1000m
> boat from scratch. Any more pointers would be
> awesome.
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> Thanks,
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> Scott Waters
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> P-I Scrapped out by
> Vickers
>
> P-II Rumored
> to be in a Miami storage unit (unconfirmed)
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> P-III ?
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> P-IV In Hawaii and
> in service (but stony broke, I hear)
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> P-V
> Ditto
>
> P-VI
> IUC warehouse in New York, maybe parted
> out
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> P-VII In a Russian
> museum (Sevastopol, I think)
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> P-VIII
> Nuytco
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> P-IX
> Design
> study for Intersub (4K
> meters, never built)
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> P-X Nuytco
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> P-X11 Same as VII (flanking the front
> doors, last I
> saw)
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> Plus Leo, which was a big-window Pisces
> style rated to 2000'
> which, along with P-VI and Aquarius, are the only
> Hyco
> boats
> that I qualified on
> and operated (although the P-VI experience was not a
> good
> one for me or the
> owners, either one). I did participate in a Pisces V
> overhaul in Houston, but
> I'm not sure that counts except for the busted
> knuckles.
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> I think the boys at Silvercrest might
> have one of the question
> marks, but I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that
> leaves
> one unaccounted for. I'm
> betting Mr. Dr. Prof. Nuytten would know. As a side
> note,
> if
> you look at the
> Mirs, you will see where they sprang from. They are
> Pisces
> boats on steroids.
> Those people worked at IUC for a couple of years and
> operated P-VII and P-XII
> for years after that, then took all those dandy
> ideas,
> added
> a pile of rubles,
> and built a couple of big brawny kissing cousins. Mir
> 1
> & Mir 2, by name.
> The Pisces subs were pretty good for the day, but
> maintenance heavy. And rest
> assured, you haven't really lived until you have
> pulled
> a Pisces battery box at
> sea to change one cell. What a job!!!
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> Vance
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> Scott,
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> Hawaii
> undersea research lab on Oahu has two
> subs.
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> One I know
> is a Pisces & I believe the
> other is also.
>
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> I think
> David Columbo has seen them in the
> last year,
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>
> he might
> confirm.
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> They told me they were losing
> funding for operating them
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> as Govt considered rovs were
> better value for money.
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> anyone know what happened to all
> the Pisces submarines? I believe there was 10 built,
> but
> only one or two that
> are still in operation. I think NOAA has one.
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